Jonathan Bish @frjonathanbish Twitter profile

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

22 days

You have to ask whether, if we had a different constitution, this would be acceptable. Hard to imagine an American representative doing this and it being met with a shrug.

Politics UK

@PolitlcsUK

22 days

🚨 NEW: Jeremy Corbyn is caught on microphone whispering "this is such a load of nonsense, isn't it?" before he is about to be sworn in as an MP

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New favourite genre of tweets is 'people don't believe Oxbridge reading lists are real and some make a decent stab at finishing them.' Yes, this is how things work at an elite university, and the premium we put on Oxbridge degrees is justified because of the skills it teaches.

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@TypeForVictory

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Complaints about reading one book a week as "too much" for undergrads blows my mind. I read 6-8 books, maybe a dozen journal articles, and wrote c.4000 words of essays every week, and I wasn't even trying for a First. If you're doing that little, join a book club. Far cheaper.

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Jonathan Bish

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2 years

@ElmbridgeLibDem @brucemcd23 @HCRCMary It’s dense housing, on a brownfield site, next to a railway station, at a time of national housing shortages. It is EXACTLY what is needed. Would we really prefer 97 new homes on a greenfield site in the suburbs?

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2 months

@SimpGanassi Make airplane wings. Plus a big oil refinery at Elsemere Port, but I suspect Airbus plays a pretty big role! Technically over the border in Wales, but most of the staff will probably live in Cheshire and south Lancs.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

7 months

One of my most cancellable opinions is that we should prioritise public transport where it can run at 15-, 10-, or 5-minute intervals, even if it’s at the expense of other services. Not many people will use a bus regularly that runs every 30 minutes.

Ramsey Kilani 🌐🔰

@Ramsey_Kilani

7 months

What transit opinions have you like this? 5 minutes is a really long time to wait for transit.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

Unbelievable. Harrow Green Party going to bat for the carpark at a big Tesco, instead of supporting a development with 559 flats, 32% of which will be affordable housing.

Harrow Green Party

@HarrowGreens

2 years

The figures are staggering for the proposed development on the Harrow Tesco site: 559 new flats across 10 blocks up to 15-storeys high, 155 residential parking spaces, a 20% smaller Tesco store & 1/3 less customer parking @NoToTescoTowers @WembleyMatters

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22 days

@yrieithydd My point is that swearing allegiance is important: to the king in our system or the constitution in a republic. Not because these things don’t change, but because it symbolizes the fact that power is exercised peacefully and according to law.

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1 year

Better mental health provision and Cabinet government.

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29 days

Pleased to see the Church of England in Batley has become the face of what Gavin Ashenden hates. We must be doing something right.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 month

I enjoy the BBC’s ‘Real Dictators,’ but saying that Oliver Cromwell ‘didn’t have a conventional background for a revolutionary,’ and then using words like ‘gentry not aristocracy,’ ‘middle class,’ ‘prosperous,’ and ‘university’? Those are EXACTLY the people who make revolutions!

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

4 months

Christians don't believe people are units or numbers because our God became one of us and took the form of a despised, convicted criminal. Matthew Parris lays bare the contrast between this way of seeing the world, and the alternative where we "cannot afford" some people.

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4 months

Matthew Parris says the quiet part out loud about euthanasia: “we simply cannot afford extreme senescence or desperate infirmity for as many such individuals as our society is producing.”

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

12 days

And if you want preparation for writing about 2-3000 words a week in a few hours as part of your day job, writing 1-2 essays a week is pretty good practice!

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@frjonathanbish

30 days

#ThisIsWhatAPriestLooksLike Two priests and a bishop, actually. Proud to share my ministry with my wonderful wife @mthr_jo and deeply blessed by the ministry that she and other women priests have brought to our church for many years. And shout out to our area bishop, +Smitha!

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

6 months

I wasn’t going to wade into the ‘Rave in the Nave’ thing, but Matt makes a good point. Very often, what we consider fits within the requirements of Canon F16 also fits very neatly into what late middle age, middle class people think counts as good taste.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

4 months

It was in translation and it was in the morning, rather than the vigil (as there is no tradition of a vigil here), but I’m pleased to report that the Exsultet has been sung in this place for the first time since 1559. Happy Easter!

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

I believe it’s called a church.

iamyesyouareno

@iamyesyouareno

1 year

Is there a word for this?

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 months

Just heard perhaps the most affirming street preacher ever in Manchester: “We are here to tell you that God loves you. You don’t have to change anything about who you are. God loves you just as you are. God doesn’t hate you, he loves you.” Good effort, sir, well done.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

@emzanotti I'm sure this is well intended, but it's wrong. We know, in a lot of detail, which cathedrals and other major churches were places of pilgrimage and why. They were places people travelled in large numbers from all walks of life. Pilgrimage was a major economy in medieval Europe.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

3 months

Say what you like about the Church of England in these sad distracted times, you’d never get this at synod, not even if you put the most wacky end of the liberals in charge.

Woke Preacher Clips

@WokePreacherTV

3 months

United Methodists singing an "all faiths lead to God" hymn at their General Conference

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

3 months

@WalkerMarcus Tbf, you’re not all that likely to drive a tank, given the state of the Royal Armoured Corps.

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@frjonathanbish

3 months

This is a nice photo. Go to church. You’ll meet people who have deep joy in their lives. And people who are mad as a box of frogs, but hey, they’re made in God’s image too.

The Church of England

@churchofengland

3 months

What are your Sunday plans? We'd love to welcome you to one of our churches. Find your nearest church at .

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

5 months

This stuff is just colossally stupid. At the root of most learning lies some rote memorisation, and in nearly every discipline there is a conceptual architecture you need to know to understand other things. This is why the shift to a knowledge based curriculum is so important.

🐻‍❄️Welsh Rainforest Bear 🐻‍❄️

@ursine_meeting

5 months

"I have never given literally any thought to how thinking happens."

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

10 months

Angela Tilby is on very good form today:

Angela Tilby: Emptied-out belief leads to empty pews

THE writer A. N. Wilson went to an Anglo-Catholic church in London last month for the Exaltation of ...

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@frjonathanbish

4 months

There are currently more than a dozen stipendiary posts being advertised in the Diocese of Leeds. Several on their second or third go around, and they include at least three in the catholic tradition. People don’t apply for these jobs. Come North. Help us pass on the faith.

Thomas

@TheJupitersays

4 months

I was taking today to a priest friend of a friend. His time as a curate is coming to an end. He has been told his diocese has no jobs for him - except 'perhaps' a half time post, without accommodation. He is under 35. Unbelievable that church authorities behave in this way.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

@fakehistoryhunt The idea that Europeans believed the world was flat before Columbus is my nomination. But most things that the general public believes about the Middle Ages are good candidates!

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@frjonathanbish

3 months

This is one of the most important issues in the Church of England. For clergy and lay people, the integrity of the confessional is one of the reasons why we’re Anglican and an incredibly important part of our faith. Please pray.

Richard Bastable

@rmbastable

3 months

Please pray for the House of Bishops as they meet today in York to discuss the Seal of the Confessional. 🙏🏻

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 month

Ten years a priest. Still the best job in the world.

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@frjonathanbish

19 days

So, am I right in thinking we can basically do what we like now? Because I want to be an archpriest, and I've got some mates who will make that happen. Can I do that because I don't like the fact that Deanery Synod exists, or something?

Simon Sarmiento

@simonsarmiento

19 days

CEEC commissions first set of overseers - The Church of England Evangelical Council

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

I think this is one of the single most overlooked factors in explaining why our political life is the way it is: two or three generations (the youngest of which still dominate the electorate) basically saw social stability implode around them.

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

I think one of my more ‘cancellable’ church opinions is that we make it too easy to skip church. There are, of course, times when people can’t go due to sickness or other hindrances. But Mass on Sunday should be our first priority, because it is there that we find life and hope.

Angela Tilby

@AngelaTilby

1 year

@OurCofELike Attending Church on the Lord’s Day is not something you do if you just happen to feel like it. It is a duty and a joy. Sometimes a duty before it is a joy. Sometimes you have to drag yourself out of bed. The point is to be there. Why? Because God has invited you…and we all need

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2 years

@the_transit_guy Ah, the quintessential Amtrak experience. Nothing like a railway pretending to be an airline. Apart from, you know, giving people seat assignments, unlike any other intercity operator I have ever used.

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@frjonathanbish

2 years

In the process of preparing for my next post, I have re-read this old pamphlet. It really is very good.

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@frjonathanbish

2 years

@artieopteryx @JayHulmePoet Instead of, I'm afraid. It is supposed to represent a lightening of our Advent discipline. Though some of us will have pink socks underneath our purple vestments, so there's that.

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

Christians are “morally bound to find ways of welcoming the stranger and feeding the hungry. This does not mean anything goes, but it does mean everyone counts.” Solid stuff.

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

This prayer has been a really good companion through the week, combining as it does divine immutability and grace perfecting our desires. A better summary of why I love the faith I believe in would be hard to find.

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@frjonathanbish

8 months

Church of England clergy have an incredible amount of freedom to talk about and, indeed, criticise the institution they work for in a way which would be unimaginable in almost any other job.

Women and the Church

@WATCH_ACT

8 months

Imagine a @churchofengland where clergy are not afraid to say what they think b/c they are afraid this will get them into trouble with senior clergy or a black mark when they are looking for their next appointment. Imagine an #honestchurch where we encourage ppl to speak freely.

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@frjonathanbish

2 years

I thought I should say something about the whole business of whether and how the church should do reparations for slavery, because the alternative is to say nothing, and I don't think that will do.

Save the Parish

@SaveTheParish

2 years

OPEN LETTER: Our Chairman @WalkerMarcus writes to @JustinWelby , concerning the announcement of £100m fund on slavery reparations 👇

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

27 days

I can’t claim any inside knowledge, but everything I have seen from the Winchester Cathedral music meltdown suggests an institution that has completely forgotten its purpose and clergy who have so imbibed a particular management model that they’re unable to get back to it.

Peter King

@PeterOrganKing

28 days

Winchester Cathedral graciously waives entry charge, £13.50, for applicants for the Sub-Organist's post, "As a ‘Thank You’ for applying to work with us, we would love to offer you complimentary entry into the Cathedral if you are selected for an interview."

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@frjonathanbish

10 months

This is very grim reading. Particularly as Liverpool Diocese strikes me as having a number of people who come across as engaged and realistic about the issues we face. BUT the bottom line is "We spent £1.2 mil and we might have accelerated the church's decline." Never again.

Madeleine Davies

@MadsDavies

10 months

"Transforming Wigan" was the first SDF project & entailed creation of has been described as a "super-benefice". Hats off to the diocese of Liverpool for publishing the full independent evaluation. I've tried to write summary at start of this long piece

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

Some personal news: I shall be moving to a new post as priest-in-charge of @BeneficeBatley , initially for a period of three years. A short move; a big change! Please remember us and the parishes of S. Mary Magdalene Outwood and S. Anne Wrenthorpe in your prayers.

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@frjonathanbish

7 months

Leaving aside the most egregious figure on the list, it's an astonishing insight into where the church is taking our lead from as an institution: nearly all psychologists and management academics - and only two people with a background in the public sector, heritage or education.

Marcus Walker

@WalkerMarcus

7 months

And guess who’s been teaching Bishops how to lead organisations… Yup, that would be Paula Vennells.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

I would say this was an example of knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing, except for the fact that if this donor were to put the same money towards the NHS, it could probably fund the health service for about seven seconds…

Janey Godley

@JaneyGodley

2 years

Save the NHS

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

This is the best hot take, and I will accept no others!

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1 year

“I'm off to represent the entire Red Army at the buffet. You girls enjoy yourselves.”

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

8 months

I think this is bang on. As this century goes on, more people are going to respond to the suggestion we should help the poor, vulnerable and weak by saying, ‘Why?’ And increasingly, mainstream liberal society won’t have a good answer to that.

Missal Modernist 🕯️

@MissalModernist

8 months

For all my opposition to and criticisms of the Christian Right, our true enemy, and a rising one, is the post-Christian Right

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@frjonathanbish

2 years

I think @niall_gooch 's judgement on this is the best thing I've seen so far. It's emblematic of a certain kind of clericalism which says, 'We know better than you and better than they did in the bad old days.'

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

If a decision about who can marry who is what you use to define whether a church has left Christianity, then IMO you're a straight up heretic. I cannot think of a single precedent for using an ethical position as a test of credal orthodoxy anywhere in Christian antiquity.

David Robertson

@theweeflea

1 year

"to say mainstream Christianity teaches that marriage is between man and women is being disingenuous." Lorna Hood who was moderator when the C of S taught that doctrine - and reaffirmed it. Was she being disingenous? Scotland is stuffed because the C of S left Christianity

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@frjonathanbish

2 years

Appalling. 2 billion+ people cut off from BBC programming of one form or another at a time when authoritarianism is on the rise - especially in a number of countries whose languages are listed here. And a huge amount of soft power thrown out the window.

Yuan Yi Zhu

@yuanyi_z

2 years

Radio services the BBC is proposing to stop: Arabic, Persian, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Hindi, Bengali, Chinese, Indonesian, Tamil, Urdu. Language services the BBC is proposing to move to digital only are: Chinese, Gujarati, Igbo, Indonesian, Pidgin, Urdu, Yoruba.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

But I don't like the zero-sum game StP are buying into, even though I'm very much a supporter. It's not 'do this' or 'do that.' We can do both. And, I'd argue, we must, if we're serious about history and about what we believe.

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

An excellent article that summarises the problem that the CofE has: a goldmine at the centre and deficits everywhere else. The one thing to add is that 30 years of trying to fund most clergy stipends through giving means that many of our churches have serious building problems.

Dr Ian Paul

@Psephizo

1 year

The Church Commissioners have posted another excellent set of results for last year. The assets have doubled in ten years—and increase 17-fold in 30. Why, then, are dioceses and parishes still under such financial pressure? @WalkerMarcus @AngelaTilby

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

Sherry before dinner as @mthr_jo and I embrace middle age for her birthday dinner.

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@frjonathanbish

5 months

Look how they massacred my boy!

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@frjonathanbish

2 months

The UPS man has come, and left something rather nice…

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

18 days

This is meet and right. While I have endorsed the call to say #ITrustMyBishop , it is equally true that he is my bishop whether I do or don't and that his spiritual authority is gifted by his consecration, not contingent on a popularity contest.

Ruth Harley

@ruth_hw

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It's immaterial whether or not #ITrustMyBishop . He's the person to whom the church has entrusted spiritual oversight of the diocese in which I serve. He isn't perfect. We often disagree. But whatever I think of him personally, he's still my bishop. I don't get to pick and choose.

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

Someone needs to tell Sadiq Khan that his ULEZ rules aren’t covering all the high emissions in London’s streets… Marvellous stuff.

All Saints', Margaret Street

@ASMSLondon

1 year

What a wonderful evening we had last night celebrating our Lord's eucharistic love for us and the whole human family. You can watch our High Mass and procession here:

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

Not remotely surprising if you’ve spent any time in the Red Wall! I’ve lost count of the number of proud grandparents telling me about a grandchild doing nursing at Huddersfield or engineering at Nottingham Trent.

Luke Tryl

@LukeTryl

1 year

Politics of “too many young people going to university” a bit surprising. Our Loyal National (more Red Wall) segment among most likely to say too few/right numbers going whereas Established Liberal (Cameronite/Blue Wall) among most likely to say too many young people go to uni.

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

@MadsDavies I have said several times that it’s cloud cuckoo land. Future has got to be paid professional roles. Even if we didn’t have lots of churches with elderly church officers wanting to give up their roles, we’d still have the problem that anyone working age hasn’t got the time.

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@frjonathanbish

30 days

@guildofstclare That’s because it’s not a Roman shape. It’s a Neri or Borromeo shape, which is more balloon shaped, and I’ve never known them to be worn worn with tapes. It wouldn’t make sense to do that as they aren’t supposed to stay in place around the body in the way a fiddleback needs to.

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@frjonathanbish

5 months

This is an excellent thread. I'll freely acknowledge my bias as an Anglo-Catholic, but this is exactly what people will say in ten or twenty years about the CofE's current love of church planting (some are saying it already). Especially the stuff about education and shepherding.

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The church planting craze of the 2000s and 2010s was a mess. We're feeling the downstream effects of it now. 🧵

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

@Markgatiss Yup. It's ace. Come join in at your local cathedral or larger parish church, it's great fun!

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@frjonathanbish

6 months

“People coming to this country should assimilate to our way of life and our values.” “No, not like that!”

Tony Dowson

@TonyDowson5

6 months

"Forty Bibby Stockholm asylum seekers converting to Christianity "Nearly one in seven of 300 migrants on barge attending churches under supervision of local faith leaders, says church elder"

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

3 months

Say what now? I’m pretty sure we’re not. I think I know what the collect writer is doing, but I think this turns on its head the Christian understanding of what it means to be created. (Though if there’s some reference in Shewings that I’m missing, happy to be corrected!)

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

The UK suffers from such a discrepancy of outcomes across the regions that dumping wagons of cash in the streets of northern towns would represent ‘value for money.’ What part of decades of underinvestment do these folk not understand? Treasury Brain’ is one hell of a drug

Jennifer Williams

@JenWilliams_FT

1 year

Excl: Treasury bans levelling up secretary Michael Gove from spending ANY money on capital projects without its approval, due to value for money concerns

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@frjonathanbish

2 years

@IsabelOakeshott So… you think we shouldn’t build HS2… because of the reasons we’re building HS2. How exactly do you think we can improve the existing system when the lines are already at capacity?

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

Very good to see. The Prayer Book Society has always been a good model for how to live well together across difference AND have a robust theological and liturgical identity. A good clarification.

laudablePractice

@cath_cov

1 year

Grateful to @prayerbook_soc for this statement.

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

Capricious behaviour that does not follow CofE policy, and is completely without accountability. We are not the US military before 2011, and I really think the ordinand ought to take legal advice if they can.

Robert Thompson (he/him)

@Rgt71Robert

1 year

Massively sad to be approached today by an ordinand @churchofengland who came out gay at their theological college. On hearing the news suffragan bishop (a woman) of their sponsoring diocese gets in car to go & tell them they can no longer be supported by them. Shower of shite!😢

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

9 months

I’m not going to retweet the original, but this tells you all you need to know about an emerging trend in Christianity to make social or political issues a litmus test for orthodoxy in a way which is quite ahistorical.

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@frjonathanbish

3 months

RETVRN: Anglican style. Baroque mitres and episcopal wigs FTW. Not at the same time. Yet. Give it time.

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@frjonathanbish

3 months

Anglicanism already has a Doctor of the Church.

Jeremy Goodwin

@the_thin_place

3 months

Who are your submissions to be recognized as Doctors of the Church for Anglicans? 1) Thomas Cranmer 2) Peter Martyr Vermigli 3) Richard Hooker

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

This is so very sad. Anna supervised me for a year at St Albans Abbey, and she was the first woman I saw celebrate the mass. She made the difference between believing something intellectually and a real, felt belief. Plus, as many others have said, she was a fantastic preacher.

St Bene't's Cambridge

@StBenetsCam

1 year

It is with great sadness and a heavy heart that we report the sudden passing of our Reverend Anna Matthews. Please join us in prayers for Anna at the 12.30 Eucharist today (Thursday 09/03) at which the Archdeacon Alex Hughes will preside.

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@frjonathanbish

2 years

@MrsMitre Because clerical marriage is an issue of discipline and not doctrine in the Roman church. Surely that’s fairly well known!

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@frjonathanbish

3 months

Cope and seeth, crazy Roman trads, cope and seeth.

The Church of England

@churchofengland

3 months

The Church of England is the established Christian church in England. Our roots go back to the time of the Roman Empire, when the church came into existence in what was then the province of Britain. Find out more about our history at .

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@frjonathanbish

3 months

I’m reading George Guiver’s history of daily prayer, and have come to his conclusion that private prayer apart from the liturgy begins with William of St Thierry and his followers… in the 12th century. It’s astonishing how much stress modern Christianity puts on private prayer.

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@frjonathanbish

1 year

I just think “We all worship the same thing really” is deeply depressing. Doesn’t take seriously how Christians, Jews OR Muslims understand God, and it suggests the question isn’t important. The sort of thing people say when they think everyone is a liberal Protestant deep down.

benjamin not ben 🍉

@BenjaminVanDyne

1 year

Thinking about how “as Christians, Jews and Muslims we all worship the same God” is not in fact the inclusive theological gesture you think

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

I am planning my final service in S. Mary Magdalene's Outwood. Tried to decide which looney Anglo-Catholic tune to have as the final hymn, but have decided there really is no better choice than this:

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

9 months

Mark my words, we will see some very significant historic churches demolished over the next century. I think the two biggest existential threats to the Church of England as it currently exists are building repairs and the lack of capable lay volunteers.

Madeleine Davies

@MadsDavies

9 months

It also highlighted high demand for a major-repairs fund, with a “large reported conservation deficit”. In just one diocese — Norwich — this deficit, based on quinquennial inspections between 2012 and 2017, was estimated to be £63 million.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

I like that Fr Christopher has taken it upon himself to heat up Anglican Twitter. But fwiw, I think he is right. Not because there is any virtue in black shoes per se, but because dress codes and sticking to them when it gets tough are signs you’re taking what you do seriously.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

7 months

Quite right. One of the things I have noticed about theological discourse in the CofE is that increasingly it just isn't interested in questions like development of doctrine. But that's completely unsustainable and means we basically shunt serious historical problems to one side.

Bibblings and Babblings

@bibblings

7 months

Hence it would be great for more local churches to teach the development of doctrine (with a few guest lecturers from late antiquity, medieval and early modern eras) and social Christian history as opposed to going ‘yay Jesus’ and pretending 1700 years didn’t happen…

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

@_F_B_G_ What colossal stupidity. I’ve no idea what’s happened and it’s really sad to hear, but for the system to just let people like you and @TheWomanfredi slip out of ministry suggests parts of the church have a deeply unhealthy institutional culture.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

Well, well. The plot thickens. I think there’s a question to be asked as to who decided to label the letter in the way they did. Thank you, @prudencedailey , for clarifying that signatories didn’t necessarily know their organisations were going to be included.

Prudence Dailey

@PrudenceDailey

1 year

When I signed the open letter concerning Prayers of Love and Faith and Canon B2, I did so in a personal capacity. It did not occur to me that my former position as Chairman of the Prayer Book Society might be stated.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

@AngelaTilby @susanhillwriter @BursonGrace @CoRMirfield @mthr_jo There are clergy in the CofE who don’t visit the sick, don’t say their prayers, don’t study and don’t take their Sunday duties seriously. Mirfield clergy are taught that those things matter. But I’m sure how they wear their hair is more important…

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

7 months

Peak Welby-era CofE.

BBC News (UK)

@BBCNews

7 months

Paula Vennells: Ex-Post Office boss was shortlisted to be Bishop of London

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

I'd love to know who these 'less woke' candidates are. If the Tories really are serious about interfering in episcopal appointments, they'll struggle to find many people in senior positions in the CofE who aren't at least centre-left.

James Heale

@JAHeale

1 year

There’d be a rich irony if it was Britain’s first Hindu PM who took back the power to appoint CofE bishops

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

6 months

@AllisonPearson A disgruntled priest, who has left the CofE and never raised these concerns when he was in active ministry? Not exactly an unbiased source.

Richard Chapman

@SelsdonChapman

6 months

'A spokesman for the Diocese of Durham said: “We do not recognise the picture these allegations present and have not seen any evidence of such claims.' 1/2

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 months

I refer you all to the Watts chasuble that arrived yesterday.

Rishi Sunak

@RishiSunak

2 months

You will always be better at spending your own money than the government is.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

I personally found incumbency a great relief, as it meant nobody would shout at me and fewer hours of just 'being around.' But I didn't realise six years ago just how relentless it is. We probably don't support people who enter it well enough.

Michaelmas ordinations: So much to do on a first solo flight

Going from a curacy to an incumbency affects the well-being of many clergy, Liz Graveling reports

www.churchtimes.co.uk

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

@Lampada76 @BishopWorcester You can't stop being a bishop. That's not how holy orders in the Church of England work.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 month

I think there's a deep seated issue with this report, which is that some elements it highlights as issues - social media, church traditions and clerical autonomy - are outlets that become problematic in a church where people don't trust the hierarchy.

Marcus Walker

@WalkerMarcus

1 month

This report on 'Trust And Trustworthiness Within The C-of-E' is so painfully bad. Everyone is blamed apart from the leadership (esp social media). The only problem is the leadership not getting its way. The only solution: remove autonomy from the clergy.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

@MadsDavies It’s a perfect storm for lay ministry, but the church acts like we’ve got lots of people who have taken early retirement in their 50s and early 60s looking to do some volunteering at church. Well, those days are never coming back.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

8 months

I have some questions about this. I'm all for encouraging religious literacy (and tackling anti-Semitism). But Messy Church isn't RE; it's supposed to be worship, set in the contexts of crafts and general silliness. And Hanukkah isn't our festival...

Ripon Messy Church learns all about Hanukkah - Diocese of Leeds

One of our Ripon churches has been doing Messy Church to learn all about Hanukkah, as the festival starts this week.

leeds.anglican.org

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

I am pondering mission, and I am reminded of the best thing I ever heard about it: "N [Prominent Vicar of a Growing Church] doesn't actually know anything about church growth. He's just who he is, and people love him." If only that could be said about all our priests and people!

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Jonathan Bish

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19 days

I have been enriched by the spiritual oversight I have received from the bishops of the Diocese of Leeds. They haven't necessarily been of my 'party' in the church. We don't always agree. But I have been listened to, blessed and prayed for. #ITrustMyBishop

Molly Boot

@MollyBoot1

19 days

Can we start a thing? I reckon my bishops are pretty excellent. They’re compassionate, prayerful, pastoral people who do their level best to enable the flourishing of all God’s people. I’m very glad they oversee the ministry of the CofE in Gloucestershire. 🕊️ #ITrustMyBishop

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 years

Don't mind me, I'm just doing some last minute snagging to make sure I've excised all the 'inclusive language' variants from the Christmas orders of service...

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

I am reading a popular book on mission, and it is striking how many historical mistruths and cliches there are. Celtic church was 'light touch'? Constantine not a genuine convert? We went from everyone going to church to nobody in 4 generations? They're all there.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

What fresh hell is this that just arrived in my inbox?

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

7 months

@charliebelllive @AliceGoodman17 4) Prayer. There's a reason those of us who are more traditional bang on about the office and the fact clergy are obligated to attend a eucharist each week, which is because those are the things that shape us. If we're not being formed by church's prayers, what are we formed by?

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 month

@Josie_Godfrey Congratulations and every blessing to you as you celebrate the Holy Mysteries.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

1) The monthly psalter: A+, 5 stars, would recommend to a friend. Ditch the CW Psalter if you can. There are days like today when you gallop through Pss 120-131. But on the whole, I already feel a lot more like I'm getting to grips with the psalms *as a book*.

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

1 year

A question for CofE Twitter to take everyone away from debates about sexuality: What are the best congregational settings of the ordinary of the Mass (i.e. Kyrie, Glory to God in the Highest, Holy, holy, holy etc.)? Especially for congregations with limited musical resources?

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Jonathan Bish

@frjonathanbish

2 months

@2D0XPS There are so many Church of England institutions that I’m tempted to post a picture of. But behold, I have learned some forbearance. Not much, but just enough to not get fired.

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