@AditiJuneja3
@epidatageek
I know so many couples (straight/white) that don't communicate, have no hobbies or friends in common, and otherwise seem miserable. The only reason they seem to be together is to check the "couple" box with someone they seem attractive enough to have sex with. Nothing else.
The first time I saw my husband play pool was after we had been married about 10 years. I just assumed he was slightly more skilled than me, but medium overall player
We were having some drinks with friends who had a table, and he just DESTROYED them, even some trick shots.
I forget I played competitive pool for 2 years when I was really strung out and I'll occasionally go out and play a game with the guys from work and run the table and I gotta be like sorry fellas I forgot I could do that
@ErinEARoss
Reminds me of one anecdote I saw how a college student decided to get screened. She and her friends took some recreationally. Her friends were bouncing off the walls, she sat down and caught up on her email inbox.
One problem I have with this new(ish) idea that I see doctors spouting "exercise can help everyone, but I don't mean hard exercise, just some movement every day, don't do too much to trigger PEM, but exercise will help..." is that this seems to place responsibility on the patient
Anyone with EDS (and subsequent resistance to anesthesia, novacaine, lidocaine, etc.) is probably feeling this a little bit too strong, lol!
Being neurodivergent with a resistance to novacaine, and needing a lot of dental work left quite a mark on me as a child.
At some point, very early on, undiagnosed neurodivergent children are faced with a terrible dilemma.
They will tell someone they're in pain, someone they trust, and that person will say no they're not. That didn't hurt. It can't have. They're being selfish/dramatic/lying.
If I set up a discord server to discuss research into LC, ME/CFS, Fibro, Lyme, CCI, and related conditions, would anyone be interested? The idea would be to have an informal place to discuss, to just bounce ideas off each other for plausibility, and to... (cont)
@HowtoADHD
As soon as someone in my life gets married, has a kid, etc., I put it in my Google calendar as an annual repeating event, and include the year. And put a notification alert for it for 1 week prior to the date. Otherwise I will forget how old nieces/nephews are, by decades!
It's almost as if the doctor/PT is aware of PEM, but expecting brain foggy patients who desperately want to do more to keep testing their energy envelope. Then if they push too hard, partially based on the doc's recommendation, then it's the patient's fault for overdoing it.
Currently have Covid, so it's really weird to feel both sick and miserable, but my body at the same time feels closer to pre-LC self.
Example: had to walk the dogs to their outdoor area so they could cool off in their kiddie pool, and coming back up the hill ...
I dunno, I just feel like it's a set up for the blame to be on the patient. "You should have tried harder!" or "You should have known better!" to be deployed anytime the patient isn't better. It can't be the doctor's fault, not possible.
@spoonfulofhan
@DisabledStem
Our daughter would get very tired every May and would put herself to bed (at 10yo!) around 7pm since she was so exhausted.
We took her to the doctor and discovered she had a significant allergy to a heavy pollen in our area, making her lungs fill with fluid.
What symptoms do you really think CBT will address?
Why is it always "the mind affects the body" and never the other direction, where the body affects how the brain functions?
Example: my anxiety disorder disappeared after treatment for MCAS. Because histamine affects the brain
@loscharlos
@VirusesImmunity
@Slate
In a world where we need to try everything promising to aid people who are suffering. I think we are ultimately on the same side here, really, but I don’t understand how you can assert without evidence that CBT isn’t worth further study.
Thinking your next Covid infection will be mild with no lasting effects because the previous one was is like saying you have immunity to injuries from a car accident because your previous one was mild/just a fender bender.
Or maybe somebody told you
#LongCovid
not possible upon reinfection since you have immunity.. so you’re not thinking about it anymore until.. it happens to you.
There is no warning. The waves will keep coming, & chance of it including somebody you love remains.
How much illness could have been prevented over the years if we had not just assumed everyone gets EBV and it's fine? Like if we had tried to control its spread and had a stronger public desire for a vaccine?
@HarrySpoelstra
The authors note that "two of them (CASSLGQAYEQYF and CASSLGYEQYF) were found to exhibit specificity towards T cell epitopes derived from EBV."
@bennessb
I would rather mistakenly believe a "faker" (likely exceptionally rare, I think!) than make anyone second guess their own real needs and symptoms as being enough to count.
I kinda feel like research money for MECFS and LC is mostly being spent on "is it really?" more than "how can we treat it?"
Sure, biomarkers would be nice, but even depression is researched for/via treatment options, and the results are determined patient reports.
@IBJIYONGI
I think it also comes down to some cognitive tendencies:
-Fascists are BAD
-I am a GOOD PERSON
-Therefore, things I support CANNOT be fascist.
And then they react to being called a "bad person" when the thing they support is called fascist, rather than examine the argument.
(I think I woke up in my cranky pants this morning 😆)
The overall discourse just reminds me of new diet fad fans who are so certain this new diet is the magic cure for everyone, and if it doesn't work for you it's your fault for not doing it perfectly.
People can be hurt long term if they overdo it, but then the doc always seems to argue back some cloaked variation of, "But what if I tell them to rest and they become lazy slobs?!!"
I just can't argue with those ones anymore. I don't have the time or energy.
A few of the doctors I've seen that might be asking questions in good faith would benefit from starting with "Rest is Best." When in doubt, tell the patient to rest and pace. Only then look for who might benefit from movement and light exercise.
For years I was developing more and more anxiety, and it interfered with many areas of my life, including sleep.
Then I finally connected to the MECFS community and started treating my MCAS. My anxiety PLUMMETED with no other interventions applied besides the MCAS meds.
Professor Sharpe’s reply to Monbiot’s excellent article shows that Sharpe just doesn’t get it. The problem is not doctors paying attention to fears and emotions, but doctors presuming without evidence that fears and emotions are the cause of
#MECFS
.
No one could tell me why eating made me feel so awful, just the "blood goes to the stomach to digest the food!" 🙄
Then I found out about GIP, and now I am able to predict and track when that postprandial tachycardia and crappy feeling hits.
eating. the physical act of eating. is making me crash. please, for the love of god, help me see doctors. help me get medical care.
this is becoming untenable. i have yet to try more than supplements. i have yet to get a proper medical workup. help.
It's actually harder to rest appropriately than it is to make myself exercise/move/exert.
If jogging would cure me, I would be running like 5+ miles a day!
It's not the motivation, it's the consequences that stop me.
@oldenoughtosay
Me too!
Trying to explain too when the pain was at the worst during the cycle and the gyno (who was amazing!) said no, that's not normal.
He fought my insurance company and helped me get my hysterectomy at 33!
I'm the only person I know in offline life with LC, but I find people ALL THE TIME who have symptoms, but just don't realize they aren't the only one with it. I give out links to research, support groups, and lists of comorbidities constantly. Averages out to 1-2 per week.
Sometimes I am perplexed by things other people can't seem to understand. Right now I am struggling with why some in the Long Covid community are fighting so hard to avoid being associated with MECFS. It doesn't make any sense!
I have ME/CFS from COVID. I also have dysautonomia from COVID. There are specific definitions for each condition.
It wouldn't be possible to solve
#LongCovid
without also solving these, because for millions of us (prob about half of people with LC), LC *is* these conditions. 1/
@AditiJuneja3
@epidatageek
It's like they assume you are not really supposed to like the person you share your life with. Like Mike and Nancy's parents on Stranger Things.
My early signs 10+ years ago were:
-Progressively worse DOMS
-Increasing sun/heat intolerance
-Gut/stomach disruptions
-always so itchy!
-Legs feeling really heavy some days, but not others
-Often really winded & gasping for air with mild exertion like gentle hikes
A dozen years after I had a strange infection, I gradually became so disabled by
#MECFS
. It concerns me that
#pwLC
might not know what hit them until later. Seemingly mild cases can progress years later and it’s important to know the signs early and intervene with pacing.
GIP (Glucose-dependent Insulinotropic Polypeptide) is an incretin that triggers insulin release when nutrients like carbs hit the the stomach. In people with POTS it has been shown that instead of staying active in the system for less than 30 minutes, it can stay active 3 hours.
Huge news! A drug that doesn't even work on the brain might be a treatment for Parkinson’s disease!
A study came out that patients with Parkinson's disease experienced improvement on their symptoms when taking a GLP-1 agonist.
This drug similar to Ozempic works directly on the
You know, I have some ideas on this, and it goes back to the Grief System (bonding/separation anxiety system), cognitive load, lower cognitive energy, Default Mode Network, etc.
A thread…
I know many of us have observed personality changes in people following
a 🦠infection. Some of these folks were previously 🦠-cautious, including some with a large social media presence.
So many illnesses have a post viral link:
ME/CFS
Multiple Sclerosis
POTS/Dysautonomia
MCAS
PANS/PANDAS
Type 1 Diabetes
Alzheimer's (possibly...)
And so many more!
Also those that leave long term damage in other ways, like herpes/cold sores, chicken pox/shingles, HPV/cancer...
Just endlessly screeching.
#MedTwitter
for the sake of all that’s holy: it’s far past time to become acquainted with infection-associated chronic disease. You’re going to be seeing SO MUCH of it. It will not be rare again, maybe ever again.
#POTS
and
#PANS
,
#MECFS
#MCAS
@ellle_em
We had to separate 2 puppies we rescued after their mama died when they were 2 days old for a very similar reason. 2 BOY puppies...
One was particularly needy for the comfort of nursing, so we got him a pacifier.
@clarejdaly
@WoollerEmma
The breathing/gasping/cough thing was also the first one I got the doctors to investigate. Turns out my vocal cords were spasming and not fully opening. From patient support groups I heard that was common, to the point they called it "COVID Strangle". Docs had no idea, of course.
@ageniadel
@Sciencewriter
The ones that get me are when they beg for a 12 hour extension because they won't be able to access good internet while they are at their dad's funeral. I tell them as long as it's in by end of the semester I will accept it. And they are shocked I am accommodating them! 😢
I think this is why the empty platitudes from my family about my health bother me so much.
"Hope you feel better soon!"
"You need to stay positive!"
It feels like I can't discuss my loss of function/health without them dismissing the validity of my grief.
Btw, grief research shows that social support after loss and having communal validation of the cost and pain of that loss is the primary factor that helps grieving individuals integrate their loss. It actually does matter whether we are met w/kindness or dismissal.
If you were designing a Long Covid clinic, what would you want to include? Obviously not requiring in person appointments and masks are the very first thing, but what would actually help YOU?
(I'm NOT making one, BTW, just wanted to have a nice list for comparison purposes!)
#TheNicotineTest
#LongCovid
I started the nicotine patch around 4 weeks ago on a day when PEM was just kicking in.
It ended that PEM episode and I haven't had any since, despite doing much more exertion than I usually do!
I have even tested how well I am handling the heat.
Even if I won the health lottery and tomorrow woke up fully healthy, I would just be thrilled to have all of that extra energy to use to help this community.
All of the successful treatments I have started have been because of other patients graciously sharing their knowledge.
We use every once of energy to find ways to bring access to care for people with
#MECFS
,
#LongCovid
&
#PICI
because we need to. We know the gaslighting, the disbelief, the labeling, the loss of self, the loss of QoL and all the challenges, but 1/
@rebeccawatson
It's weird that people worried about "cancel culture" don't realize so many of us have been policing our own speech/expression of beliefs for years for fear of retribution or violence from those around us.
@kittywifclaws
@laurenancona
Actually yes! People with red hair are also likely very resistant to even their OWN endorphins, so they don't often get the post-meal "high" from hot, spicy foods.
... I had zero leg/body heaviness. I was actually (accidentally) faster than the 15 yo dog with arthritis!
Yes, I am taking it very easy, laying around, staying cool, doing as little as I can, but it's really hard when my body otherwise feels really good.
@1goodtern
If you haven't read "Unthinkable: Who Survives A Disaster Strike And Why", it's really illuminating on how people are responding to the pandemic and the resulting poor messaging.
... always proactively plan. Will I need my noise cancelling headphones at this event? This new shirt looks great, but since I haven't worn it before I better have a backup just in case there's some part that itches me. I will plan this appointment in the morning because...
I've pointed out to people this exact problem with "slept her way to the top". If they still have a problem understanding it, I put it in the context of bribery. Who is the victim in bribery?
If someone was susceptible to a bribe, they should not have that power.
"AH in a nutshell" aka she's a victim of sexual violence and retaliation?
"slept her way to the top" means there's a bunch of sexual harassers taking advantage of young actors 😭
the misogyny is real
While nicotine patches don't help everyone, they are a critical part of my "defeat PEM" toolbox now. I even had a full Remission Event, like what
@tessfalor
has described!
They don't always help me, but when they do, it's very, very helpful.
@KatBoniface
has some theories on it!
@chronicallybeee
@OneSickVet
I gave up on trying to find if they have garlic in anything. I either "pregame" with my antihistamines if I order food from anywhere, or just prepare food at home. They can't even tell me if garlic is in it!
The parade scene in Unrest with
@jenbrea
gets me every time. Even the first time I watched it, I knew what would happen. My husband knew what was going to happen.
I have not (yet) been that severe, but that's partly because of Jen. Without her activism, I (1/4)
Given some other studies I read last year, I really am thinking that interstitial fluid is not being taken up by the lymphatics, leaving all of the "debris" from exercise and respiration just hanging out in the tissue.
@BraedenCharlton
Blocking of capillaries by amyloid-containing deposits (or microclots) could reduced exercise capacity. We found these deposits in muscle tissue, but surprisingly not inside capillaries. They were located in between fibers, were higher in patients, and went up after exercise 5/n
@simuellers
@TheNicotineTest
@LeitzkeMarco
I first started it in May. This week I was able to work 70+ hours in 7 days, including one day stuck outside in the heat.
No PEM or brain fog. 🤯
I am basically in full remission. Not everyone has this much improvement, though.
Ask me any questions, if you want to!
@AditiJuneja3
@epidatageek
Culturally, too, I think. All their friends are in similar relationships. They don't realize it can be any other way, and assume there is such a difference between men and women that there is no way to actually men and women to enjoy life together.
I kinda went down a rabbit hole in regards to metformin and GIP and Covid and interstitial fluid pressure and dysautonomia.
It feels like my hypothesis is coming together even more!
...I will need the rest of the afternoon and evening to destress from it or I won't sleep well, and I HAVE to be functional the next day.
Every part of our lives is less stressful and traumatizing if we preemptively plan, but NTs just seem to wander through life never...
@AditiJuneja3
@epidatageek
My husband and I are like kryptonite to those relationships. They meet us, discover they don't have to be miserable, and spilt usually in a year. They don't learn their lesson, though, as next relationship is often similar.
Any content creators, really. Do you want money and fans from people who think your loved ones lives don't matter?
Even Games Workshop has said, "We don't want your money!" to those kinds of folks. And they really like money! They don't want their brand associated with hate.
This thread makes me think of the game "Papers, Please".
Do you follow the rules, but lose parts of your humanity, or do you use your position to help people, risking your own family?
... really planning for tomorrow, let alone next year, next decade, besides just thinking of the best case scenario. It's like looking at the future only through rose colored glasses, assuming anyone who points out how it could go wrong just WANT it to go wrong.
@dreamsofskies
@UntoNuggan
It's kinda funny, I've interviewed at a casino, partly because there's still smoking on the floor, so they have a good ventilation system installed to keep that air from moving into the non-smoking areas.
@blkgirllostkeys
I don't know exactly what it is, but platitudes often just exhaust or anger me. It's different when it's from people who have the same experience, but when I explain something that affects me to people that don't understand, the platitudes feel like they are in place of action.
@StrangeAlienSky
@SarahTaber_bww
I have heard several people say, "kids these days won't show up for work" because of no call no shows. I replied that all the good workers who will regularly show up work in jobs where pay and treatment are better.
Funny how crappy workplaces are also the ones with minimal pay.
Among patients with obesity-related heart failure with preserved ejection fraction & type 2 diabetes, semaglutide produced greater reductions in symptoms, physical limitations & body weight than placebo at 1 year. Full STEP-HFpEF DM trial results:
#ACC24
@margal
@farid__jalali
MCAS, Dysautonomia (like POTS), Gastroparesis, and other symptoms can show up after an infection, especially Covid. One of the big things to watch for is PEM (Post Exertional Malaise). That's exertion (cognitive, physical, emotional) can trigger massive fatigue, illness symptoms.
@AditiJuneja3
@epidatageek
It's like they believe the New Relationship Energy will always be there, and any questions will make things uncomfortable and awkward, which is what white women are trained to avoid. "Don't make it awkward!" is drilled in since early childhood. Superficial happiness is paramount
@blkgirllostkeys
I read a study about 15 years ago that showed people who you feel very similar to (in the study, close friends and family) you assume have access to all the same FACTS as you do, not just perspective. Even when it is mostly impossible that they do.
My son woke up during surgery and knocked out a nurse.
A panicked patient (highly likely due to waking up in that kind of condition) is a safety issue for the entire surgical team. It's in EVERYONE'S interest to be watching for EDS as much as they do for natural red hair.
"Dr. Hakim also explained how people with a type of
#EDS
or
#HSD
might experience unusual responses to local anesthetics, requiring higher doses or finding them ineffective. ... this phenomenon is well-documented and should be anticipated in emergency care settings."
This was a frustration I had with my son's teachers. They kept saying he wasn't trying hard enough, and I kept arguing there was something going on.
Since it wasn't autism or ADHD, the school could not see anything besides a problem kid.
If I did poorly, I was told I was too smart for poor performance. If I did well, nobody cared because I was SUPPOSED to do well. Welcome to double trouble:
For ND folks, they pay attention more to the internal moral compass rather than how NTs give more weight to the social moral compass.
So, neuroinflammation triggers activation of the DMN, and in NDs this makes a need to leaning into being more "safe", while NTs lean more social.
Back before I got sicker, exercise would help me with possible dysautonomia-triggered hypoperfusion. I would feel so much better and alert afterwards, then 1 1/2 days later I would feel like crap. I kept saying I was just out of shape...
Nope, it was PEM
In an abundance of fairness, we haven’t looked into every form of movement and exercise prescription in POTS and there is a subgroup of patients who seem to feel better with exercise. This is where we “circle back” (ugh so corporate 🙄) to the precautionary principle: do no harm.
@Be_Kinderr
@RuhoyMD
Also with the idea of how important preventing infection is critical to preventing loss of function! Especially for viruses (and other pathogens) that we have allowed to become endemic like HSV, EBV, Covid, influenza, and so many more!
... that's because you have to slow down and pay attention, exactly what is needed in a place with so many pedestrians who are not great at watching for cars. This would require proactive planning to address it, but NTs seem to be awful at that. Neurodivergent folks have to...
After Covid infection, you have a higher level of neuroinflammation, so the DMN (default mode network) is very primed to activate. The DMN is strongly implicated in social anxiety, so we become hyper aware and sensitive to the feelings possible ostracism and social abandonment.
@pisa_lisa
@AditiJuneja3
@epidatageek
Yeah, toxic and traumatic history does make it risky to speak up. I saw someone once say, "Are you low maintenance, or are you just used to your needs never being met?"
Going through my previous test results and notes in my chart for today's appointment, and I saw it noted several times in there that, "the patient has an anxiety diagnosis, but exhibits no anxiety regarding the appointment/procedure, this is unlikely the source of symptoms."
ND folks are used to this feeling already, plus have a different way they respond to "moral behavior" and the DMN may, for them, be activating more intrusive guilt feelings for not doing enough of the "right" things rather than being socially accepted.
@SarahTaber_bww
I had a kid in my class not make it to graduation because he rolled a tractor and tore his femoral artery. I can remember multiple accidents involving classmates, their dads, and neighbors. Safety never did seem to be a high priority.
Yay! On one hand, I hope it could help eliminate persistent virus, but if nothing else a EBV vaccine could prevent millions of new cases of MS, MECFS, maybe Alzheimer's, and more!
I heard MECFS people mention the 3 groups of responders, no responders, and reactors.
That was the first time I had thought about subgroups of the illness, beyond the inciting source/infection. It also made me get a bit angry at the prescriptive advice by "cured" patients.
I respond so badly to every med/supplement, it's insane. Even vagus nerve stimulation causes huge stress spikes for me.
I'm beginning to realize that even if they do develop a treatment, it won't work for me. I will still be sick while everyone else gets their lives back.
Both desperately feel the need to suppress the Grief System, which is connected/overlapping with the DMN, but NDs cannot bypass the guilt feelings of putting people at risk (including themselves) and might find them have spiraling thoughts of how their behavior may affect others.
@tiramissou34
@AITA_online
Mine doesn't read much either, but he got audio books of my favorite series' so he could listen to them during his commutes so he could share the experience with me.
He also listens to them while doing household chores (dishes, laundry, etc.) so he can catch up to where I am!♥️
Hey, everyone. My nephew has found unresponsive yesterday and is still in a pretty rough state. Regardless if he wakes up today, given the extent of what he is dealing with he will be out of work for an extended period of time. My sister (his mom) has set up a GoFundMe for him.
@laurenancona
@kittywifclaws
This overly relaxing, satisfying feeling after the meal, specifically from the "burning" feeling quenched.
Very similar to the feeling of having been very hungry for a particular food, and eating just enough of the craved food that just "hits the spot."
@daire_shaw
@magicgoeshere
@EXECUTIVESTEVE
If you ever talk to some Native Americans, they will understand! They probably won't want to talk too much about the mysterious creatures that live in their forests, because just naming them brings their attention, and you definitely don't want that!
And I was reading another one this morning that demonstrated how high cognitive tasks/focus actually cause a build up of glutamate at the synapse, and if it's not cleared leads to other neuro-inflammation. I wonder if that's behind the PEM some people get with cognitive stress?