You!
Yes, YOU!
Do you like boys
•kissing?
•sharing food?
•holding hands?
•declaring mutual romantic love?
•maybe even doing The Sex?
Can you handle
•subtitles?
•hilarious sound effects?
•frequent flashbacks?
•egregious product placement?
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If you declare an entire genre of queer media to be evil, impure, fetishizing straight women obsessed with gross nasty sex and claim that your work is better and pure you don’t get to be surprised when the fanbase you cultivate is a bunch of toxic twits that harass queer people.
all the people being like “but Wincest” or “this is hilarious” or “why AIDS” like
y’all keep missing the point
when you have faced actual suffering you will stop finding the idea of writing ~taboo~ fiction abhorrent and stop finding the idea of hurting others over it funny
we’re gonna have the WEIRDEST therapy groups in ~20 years when all these teenagers/young adults who obsessed over entirely fictional concepts to the point of causing other real people harm get the fuck over themselves and realize they made a lot of people miserable over nothing
Boundaries are NOT an excuse for abuse. Boundaries are NOT violated by someone you know having a private life you dislike. Boundaries are NOT things you force other people to do or ways you make them behave.
Boundaries ARE rules you make for YOURSELF and act on YOURSELF.
Antishippers apparently see nothing racist in declaring English translations of Chinese(/Japanese/Korean/Thai) more canon or moral than their original versions. That’s how dedicated to abuse they are: racism is okay if they can use it to abuse people who ship things they dislike.
@gentille101
@ShawtyNamedZANA
@lindsayisenor
@cozymother
...so can a dead mom, honey. That shit ruins lives.
Depression can be overcome. Death doesn't get better.
(Also nice implication that the worst part about depression is what it does to other people and that depressed people should just be dead instead. Real cool.)
sometimes Twitter is "I like waffles" and "so you hate pancakes?"
but sometimes Twitter is "anyone who likes pancakes is a pedophile" followed by "I didn't say liking pancakes makes you a pedophile, why are you making shit up"
the treatment of “trauma” as an evil within a person that must be treated with shame, where any and all behaviors from trauma should be treated as just as evil as the cause of trauma, is truly disgusting victim-blaming bullshit
I find it genuinely disturbing how many people show that their main concern regarding sexual abuse is how much it disgusts them, personally, and not at all how it harms the victims.
Your disgust is not relevant. Their safety and healing is. End of story.
@notherroommate
It sounds like they have some serious misogyny and classism issues to work out and probably shouldn't be allowed in fandom at all until they do.
@rogd_boys_exist
@OstinatoRigore4
“Why does it matter how he describes it?”
because your child’s feelings and experiences are essential to her wellbeing and you, as a parent, should hold them in high regard.
@ask_aubry
How do you see people openly staring at someone and making snide, sexist comments and conclude that their target is actually the one disrupting things and being disrespectful?
They weren’t even be respectful enough to pay attention to the couple over some measly leg hairs.
@iamlunasol
And even if it wasn't, what does mocking people who didn't figure things out as teenagers do? All it accomplishes is hurting another queer person over nothing.
Those teens are also usually engaging in exactly the kind if gatekeeping that keeps people from figuring themselves out
I am beginning to think that he whole antiship phenomena taps into the same violent ideation that fuels a lot of incel and alt-Right types. Talking up hurting real people seems to light up some pleasure center in their brains and they create a feedback loop with one another.
@TheShadyStation
@hansoeii
But things can be happy AND have sex and conflict and messy characters. The idea that the only options are sexless cisheteronormative purity or tragedy is the entire problem.
hate seeing very long “call outs” that are a lot of “they made me uncomfortable and also ship a minor and an adult” and not actual shit someone has done
@felrija
they are really telling on themselves, both by thinking that blush is “porn-inspired” (which you could only think if you pretty much ONLY consume porn) and by immediately having sexual thoughts about the child
@FoxxDoesThings
lol yes
He is trying to make a point that the artist’s sexuality should be of less focus because it does not change the art, and that some people appear to have hinged their fandom of Taylor Swift on the possibility of her being queer.
Any law restricting adults from sex based on intellect, ability, or resources is inherently eugenics-based and hardwired to be used in a racist, ableist, and queerphobic manner.
Anyone who doesn’t recognize this is a tool for fascists.
@AZH3RO
@lcvelyalora
You’re over sexualizing and romanticizing feet, lmao.
You’re just a conservative prude trying to justify your one weird kink by being sadistic towards CSA survivors.
Well, that’s two weird kinks actually.
@Wiswell
It allows us to not have to pin a specific letter on ourselves, to be a combination of identities, to not have to feel apologetic and change what we call ourselves over time…
@CarniolanLeshy
@GaloPamalo
my favorite part is that it’s a tiptoe away from “you’re not non-binary because I can tell you’re AFAB and you’re with a man so it doesn’t count”
also “you’re only androgynous if you are AFAB and have major surgery or are AMAB and wear a skirt or eyeliner”
@androgynefiend
You were not “calling out another pedophile predator”, you were helping him cover up his abuse while smearing an innocent person.
The fact that you don’t even have any remorse is plainly indicative of your soulless character.
You cannot simultaneously argue that something is worth ruining someone’s life or even just harassing someone over - even if you word it as “calling out” that person - and not worth being studied.
@asgardianviking
Yup.
I feel bad for Kit, but this is exactly the kind of audience Oseman was aiming for when painting all of Asian BL as evil and implying that the supposed straight cis womanhood of the creators/fanbase were inherently bad.
@mattxiv
And then all the precious candy children clapped, I assume.
Like a mom getting her kid candy wouldn’t be super creeped out by some strange man grabbing her and judging her choices.
@cristalmeths
as a queer person, I have actual compassion for marginalized people and recognize that there are queer people suffering in Palestine whose deaths you are cheering for right now instead of fighting for their liberation
@Thebigv75
you think the guy known for having loud and bizarre clothing choices isn’t “flamboyant”? lmao
sorry your silly spacetime show has always been pretty queer darling
@natalie_morrill
The weird part about responses to this is that people are acting like it would make it a requirement rather than an option.
It could probably help people with particular traumas feel capable of undergoing necessary surgeries, really.
all talk about hurting “workers” in these contexts is framed as though one has a moral imperative to NOT spend their money the way they see fit, and to support billionaires and major corporations because they employ people they underpay
it’s so fucked
🧵I see the argument of “if we boycott Hogwarts Legacy because of Rowling, it hurts the developers.” This argument frames the convo about how trans people/allies are hurting workers. Yet the real issue is; why did Rowling put the workers in the middle of her views? (1/2)
protip: all ships are legal and moral and none of them hurt people because they are fictional; conservative, ignorant children saying something is wrong isn’t something anyone with intelligence has to listen to
hope that helps! 💚
@bylerslawyer
No? They are not the fictional characters and they do not control the entirety of people’d lived experiences. Every adult was fourteen once and has exactly as much claim to that experience as that teenager.
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The fact that I am seeing a number of people try to claim that harassment, threats, derogatory language, and slurs directed at real, living people are “fiction” is a disturbing indictment of our education systems.
imagine trying to pretend you care about actual children and adult survivors of CSA when referring to the abuse they have experienced as the same as cartoons and calling it “kiddy diddling”, then making wild random accusations of pedophilia at survivors who disagree with you
@AZH3RO
@lcvelyalora
sure sweetie lmao
You sure do have a fetish for abusing CSA survivors, in any case.
People who practice their nonconsensual BDSM on a sue survivors are some of the worst people. :)
@BriRhys
@ThamKhaiMeng
@RoryStewartUK
Imagine having to learn not just a dance routine, but very precise nonsense words to be sung in unison. I mean, I assume they felt that way singing American songs in general, but wow!
Context: the screenshot user has admitted openly to actual pedophilic urges. They say they have gotten therapy but people have reason to believe they are not being fully truthful.
@Orchestrativ
@verasaur
YUP
anyway if people are interested in wholesome MLM fiction with no sex I have several Thai BL series to recommend instead of Heartstopper 👀
@skyebatungbakal
@GojiraSpouse
He literally used the discourse to cover up his own abuse of others.
Even if we (unfairly) put aside what he did to Ang directly, he literally used this to cover up being a predator and possessing *actual* CSEM.
There’s no way it isn’t relevant.
and I guarantee a huge deal of them will realize they were all into shit they would have harassed each other - and themselves - over, and a lot of them were being manipulated by egotistical older people with skeevy intentions
more and more I see young dipshits in the queer community and fandom use “trauma” as a way to imply that something is morally bad
“People feel this way because of trauma” - yes, and?
“This is a trauma response” - it isn’t, but if it was, why do you think that means it’s bad?
@TheLastTheater
@PiggleWiggle2
@mikelikes44
@DougRussell
Which is an issue that is entirely separate from using closed captioning to better understand English. Subtitles have helped me *learn* languages and be able to recognize patterns that are different to English.
@Travon
And this is what they do to *powerful*, recognizable people who can afford to sue them for it. Imagine how horribly they cheat people who can’t afford rent and whose names you never hear.
Your regular reminder that social media, especially small accounts, is not inherently activism and people not posting about RL issues does not mean they are not engaging with them in their real lives; in fact, on-the-ground activists often have good reason to not talk about it.
@theemilygwen
@EthicsAesthetic
Apparently he’s currently unemployed and was trying to get “creative juices” flowing but is mad students exist and don’t eat lunch at office desks lol
@blossompone
@gene_slurper
then you should keep your impulses to abuse people over fiction private if you don’t want to be judged as the abuser you are :)
@caterstooth
“Why ship X when you could ship Y?”
because Y is not X and I want to ship X
I actually like the *characters* and don’t consider them interchangable lol
@catgirlcrisis
Please do! We would love to see the people who love harassment and try any way they can to get around the TOS on Ao3 leave for good! Then you can enjoy harassing one another elsewhere, away from the rest of us.
@BubbaAtkinson
lmao so you aren’t tuned into what “kids” are like, huh? because young people have refused to watch DC movies with Gal Gadot for ages
they’re getting themselves informed and that makes you mad
Vilifying people with PTSD is a new low for these puritanical types who want to pretend at being leftist while learning “psychology” from teenagers on TikTok that aren’t even passing history.
@sableskies
@lindsaylangart
I do, actually! Treating kinks as “encouraging” real sexual abuse is a foundational tenet of SWERFs. Viewing art as inherently literal and needing to be “pure” - especially when developed by minorities - is one of the first movements of a fascist leadership to take control.
@adybpt
Definitely. When the hate campaigns first started there were SO many responses that were “I act exactly like these characters but I still hate the author for stereotypes and fetishizing!!!!!”
@ineffabletism
Do you think the people who remove books from circulation don’t think the exact same way you do about it? Because they do. They, too, think they are protecting “important works” by removing the “weird” stuff.
@Esqueer_
Just two days ago I said this would happen when that dude who made a "men who have sex with me" typo suddenly became everybody's hero. He was pushing the idea of it as an STI and people were eating it up, comparing it to herpes even.
Do NOT seek any affirming surgery from Dr. Gallagher in Miami. It seems as though she is deliberately lying to and exploiting trans people she thinks are expendable.
cannot believe how predictable the people getting up in arms over being told to write their own f/f if they’re mad m/m is more popular on a fandom are
I have yet to see a single one of them admit that wishing death on people or wishing for more transphobia in fandom is bad
@MotherMuchy2
tbh I would dare say the problem of treating real people as if they are unfeeling NPCs and the problem of treating fictional characters as though they are real often go hand-in-hand, given how many times we have had “this real person deserves to actually die for drawing cartoons”
It is truly disturbing how often young “leftists” refer to “porn addiction” and use words like “coomer” unironically, and how that kind of thought is spreading through young queer communities in particular.
Another common one: baseless, unfounded claims that this or that is an “unhealthy” coping mechanism while using that as an excuse to belittle and abuse people (which is often an *actually* unhealthy coping mechanism).
It’s similar to fat shaming, in a way.
@slucarios
Well there are no pedophiles there so idk what you’re talking about. Bringing them up when no one was discussing them is kinda red flag behavior buddy
@JamieWhistle
Oh no, sweetie. You don’t get to “as a gay person” any of this, lol. You were not representing us when you made a point of violating medical privacy laws to target and ostracize queer children.
@HorridAntiTakes
“Abuse a real human being deliberately, possibly including multiple crimes, because the person who comes up with bizarre random percentages is definitely capable of making a F O O L P R O O F plan (that doesn’t account for fiction not begging illegal and parents not caring).
@scummiess
@pineappletoasts
and she's specified adult and sexual content over anything about race... and also specified wanting to appeal to the government of countries that are interested in censorship, which would apply more to queer expression than fixing issues of racism
You build up this claim that something is unhealthy, then claim that that person’s health is somehow a public concern despite it affecting no one else and use it as an excuse to claim they have morally failed.
part of the issue is that there IS wholesome queer work out there and it often gets smeared as “fetishizing” or some bullshit and declared Not Wholesome
And before you get pissy, wholesome uwu Queer work is fine, it's more than fine, it's necessary.
Having escapist fantasies or positive affirmation stories is like a salve for Queer folks and essential for Queer youth to imagine and strive to become their best selves.