Dad & husband. Personal finance enthusiast. Nerdy Eye Doctor. (Post-)Mormon truth-seeker.
Science, history, scripture, and theology are separate endeavors
My older user name, Static Parallax, was born during my faith crisis in late 2022. Falling from extreme certainty into humble truth-seeking was paralysing. I often felt static in place.
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I actually went to LDS Church today, both hours. (The picture is a heart my son made with the hymnal) I have dear friends that are in the ward that have struck with me during my faith crisis. Some know details, others don't. (1/14)
Joseph Smith used unrighteous dominion, claiming an angel with a sword would kill him, to coerce these 4 women:
1. Zina Huntington, wife
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in Oct 1841 while she was a newlywed to Henry Jacobs, married in March 1841. HJ was away on a mission.
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I had an irrational prompting that my toddler had died, like stoped breathing.
He was simply sleeping in.
This time, panic didn't overtake me like it did when I was a TBM because I know now that living a life of irrational fear "HG prompted" is NOT what a loving God would do.
As an agnostic-friendly Christian, I feel that God is bigger than one true church and that community of service and camaraderie while loving God and loving your neighbor are some of the most important things. Church building optional. (14/14)
On fundamentalist religion:
“It is customary to blame secular science and anti-religious philosophy for the eclipse of religion in modern society. It would be more honest to blame religion for its own defeats. Religion declined not because it was refuted, but because it …
It’s funny to me that TBMs claim that after a little bit of research, the “exmo claims” fall apart
They would’ve never looked them up if exmos never mentioned them
If they fall apart so easily, then the church would teach how they fall apart.
Instead, they hear it from exmos.
Doctrinal anachronisms and misinformation is the biggest way to show the Book of Mormon a simply a sincere, theological snapshot of Joesph Smith's 1830s theology instead of sincere, truly-held beliefs of ancient Americans for 1000 years. (1/14)
The self-called president Brigham Young could have had angelic visitations from Almighty God to enforce racial equality just like with Joseph and polygamy. But, unfortunately, he was a man of his time. Uh what? Oh! Orson Pratt was also a man of his time?
Brigham Young spoke vehemently against letting Black men vote, while fellow LDS apostle Orson Pratt said basing such a policy on skin color “is enough to cause the angels in heaven to blush.”
"no Mom, I'm tired of wearing the black Bear skins!"
"Teancoriniah, Christ's curse takes away our agency for fashion. NOW PUT ON YOUR DARK SKIN or you'll be the end of my seed!"
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@KirtonMcBonky
Non-mormons can have "joy" but only Mormons can have joy®
(Joy is a registered trademark of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)
…became irrelevant, dull, oppressive, insipid. When faith is completely replaced by creed, worship by discipline, love by habit; when the crisis of today is ignored because of the splendor of the past; when faith becomes an heirloom rather than a living fountain; when …
…religion speaks only in the name of authority rather than with the voice of compassion--its message becomes meaningless.”
Jewish philosopher Abraham Joshua Herschel
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LDS theology is rich with various levels of heaven where even the telestial kingdom is so amazing we would commit su1c1d3 to go there. The LDS Church teaches this in word only as shown how it smothers members with hyperlegalistic checklists obsessed with believe pray pay (1/4)
@ReformedMormon
I love that you put it as "Bruno"
The shadow side to the doctrine of heavenly mother(s), polygamy, and patriarchy is so enormous and so painful it's basically a slap in the face.
It's almost better if HM never existed theologically
"silly goose! It's not getting our own PLANET!! 😂😂 No, it's about getting our own WORLD!!"
This plausible deniability reminds me of Joseph Smith's carefully worded denials of polygamy. Technically true but very deceiving
Richard Bushman told John D in a conversation that Gospel Doctrine is more ritual than learning. In other word, we go there to affirm each other’s orthodox beliefs, not to actually learn anything.
There is a place for ritual, but we should really stop infantilizing members
A question I wish I’d asked myself 5 years ago as I attended church:
Do you truly feel that you’re learning new, actionable information at church or are you hearing repackaged platitudes that tend to resonate emotionally rather than expand knowledge?
Spiritual adventuring, continued!
Once again, my 7 year-old-son and I went to church. This time, however, it was with the Quakers. Put simply, it was similar to the temple, but without the temple and baggage. I'm the type of person that always has to occupy my mind. (1/11)
@ldsfootnotes
Ya know I just sometimes accidentally fall into unofficially marrying roughly a dozen women before I let my legal wife know.
Accidents happen and people aren't perfect. But God's perfect. And his angelic messengers made it super clear this was hella important
"[Too much order] is actually an emotionally unstable place to be because one has to use blinders to continually block out any information or experiences that contradict your perfect worldview"
Britt Hartley
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@stackerco
From an academic perspective I keep finding myself surprised I believed many things literally. Why is it so much harder to say "the authors of numbers made a story about a taking donkey" rather than "numbers documents the true history of God making a donkey talk" ?
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I feel more grounded in the experience of love & exploration of religion than I ever did as a fundamentalist that "had all of the answers". Religion is best as a way to explore meaning & community, not as a bludgeon to fall in line w decrees from flawed leaders.
I try to follow the Golden Rule.
All in all, I'm kind of flying by the seat of my pants. I'm part of multiple communities, inside and outside the church. (13/14)
Abandoning, with great disdain, the term "Mormon" looks petty and abrupt. It's a small purity test that either shows God's sudden, captious interest in very small things or it shows the church is led by men with pretentious agendas.
Anybody else praying that once the R. Nelson era is over, we can resume using the "Mormon" descriptor without being shamed by the word police in the Church?
I think more people have lost interest in the Church over this stupid policy than almost anything.
Hinckley was right.
warm "hellos".
Elders quorum talked about one of the greatest Buddhist proverbs, "Maybe so, maybe not. We'll see" this has entered the LDS consciousness courtesy of Elder Gong. (6/14)
I cannot stand apologetics and other word games that go against plain meanings of words but instead uses plausible deniability to create remotely plausibly true statements that give a misleading impression. Temple trigger for pre 1990s:
The gist of the proverb is to accept what life gives you because you never know if it's a good or bad outcome. It's excellent.
An older gentleman lamented that two of his children have left the church. This reminded me of my own mother, (7/14)
@andynewmanlac
Totally bewildering to motionlessly pantomime ritual suicide weapons and not know what they are and think there's anything profound in it!!
@OfficialWSDavis
@novogratz
@whatsupmans
Someone's decision to drink soda doesn't make other people fat. Not getting vaccinated puts others at risk, including the nonvax, and gives the virus more opportunity to mutate. Look up negative externalities.
@KevinNe77857066
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😂 To quote something I believe is non-historical (1st Nephi) "And I was led by the Spirit, not knowing beforehand the things which I should do"
No guarantees where this will go. 😂
Some want nothing to do with it and it's taboo but they're still friends. We had a game night yesterday that was a blast! I remembered the camaraderie and felt the truth of the brotherhood we share (regardless if the church is what it claims to be or not). (2/14)
I could not bear to sing it but I wasn't triggered because of the extensive time away from the intense "dark night of the soul". A friend gave a great talk about being a peacemaker. I explained to my son how the sacramental bread and the water helped us remember Jesus. (4/14)
@thebookofevan
The book of Mormon used to have 100 anachronisms and through recent discoveries it's down to 80. Therefore, just keep holding on a little longer!
All it takes is one irreconcilable anachronism.
I'm in motion. Yet just like how the earth repeats seasons, I reflect on the good of my journey while leaving the bad behind and learning from it.
Familiar patterns while always evolving and enhancing perspective; like the earth in the solar system moving in the galaxy. 3/3
I took my oldest son and told him to be respectful if he disagreed with anything because there are truths in all churches. After 1.5 years of not to a worship service, I was greeted with the opening hymn "praise to the man". (3/14)
Such panic would have easily ended when I would see him fine, but I wonder why is members rely too much on a system with huge false positives and false negatives. I think it's one of the great harms of the church to excessively focus on this magical thinking.
@whitecatprophcy
It's crazy how LDS can switch between these two nodes on a dime: 1. You'd kill yourself to get there (TK) and 2. Highest tier of Celestial kingdom or bust because you don't want to split up from your family, damned in your eternal progression. ..
@ThoughtfulSaint
This would have the effect you're looking for if the brethren and local leaders didn't sit high on the stand but were among the people as equals. Isn't that what the scripture is going for?
@cwillardsmoot
Worse that than that. Because Joseph kept his "marriages" and the "awesome doctrine" of polygamy a secret from Emma, it looked more like Joseph sneaking around with simple ceremonies followed by him starting new "marriage" relations. It wasnt until wife ~10 that Emma finally knew
@Bmmoody
That's a very drastic, jarring dichotomy. Either sublime truth or void nihilism?
Claiming protestantism is a subset of LDS beliefs is obviously offensive and a tall order.
where my brother is totally out and I'm "no longer celestial" (although I'm Mormon-adjacent). With great emotion he talked about his frequent temple attendance in hopes God would help soften the hearts of his children that they'd come back. (8/14)
1833 word of wisdom given "to be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint"
1890 manifesto 1
1902 Joseph F Smith: stake presidents should refuse temple recommend to flagrant violators of word of wisdom
1904 manifesto 2
but I felt like I needed to: I explained how in the Old testament the prosperity Gospel of the deuteronomists was a key theology in multiple books that explained that anything bad to us was happening because of our wickedness. This causes untold damage, (11/14)
This is the perfect analog for "Was it really worth losing salvation for a cup of coffee and because you didn't want to wear your garments?" (in regards to lds, mormon, mormonism)
“You clearly left the JW organization so you can get blood transfusions.”
“I didn’t leave to get blood transfusions.”
“You clearly did, otherwise why did you get a blood transfusion after you left?”
pain and scrupulosity as we beat ourselves up. Yet this theology was even pushed back against by Jesus himself in that God sends rain upon the just and the wicked the same. At this point, I open up to LDS on an as needed and as trusted basis. (12/14)
@ldsfootnotes
This is extremely important and disappointing. I thought there was only one Elias/Elijah fiasco but now there's this!
And this one is especially troubling because of the editing.
Idea: what if they edited the 1st vision accounts to conform with the 1832 account? 😛
However, parallax is what brings 3D depth to our visual system & helps us uncover hidden things. Parallax helps us gain perspective & accuracy.
Amazingly, stellar parallax helps us measure accurate distances in a way impossible if our planet were motionless.
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@stackerco
This is interesting. Dan Vogel makes the case that the book of Mormon is anti-masonic (as was the general political climate because Pres Andrew Jackson was a one). Obviously Joseph changed his mind on masonry by the time he was in Nauvoo.
@thecopsdaughter
Put differently, you're saying "it's easy to leave! Just walk through the door" (no cost) but the church teaches leaving is the heaviest most expensive decision one can make for all eternity. Don't you see there's a total disconnect?
@ReformedMormon
This is a profound point. Just like how TBMs say nonmembers just don't have true joy and confidence, post-mormons have gone through an experience that TBMs can't imagine.
Like the immense relief of dropping magical thinking, embracing curiosity, and STILL having spiritual exp
@Enos_Envy
It is EXTREMELY suspect. This was a shelf item for a long time for something to contain (the fullness of the gospel) yet miss the crowning achievement of sealings and 3 degrees of glory.
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What do you guys think? I made this 😁
This doesn't include evidence leading to disbelief, but thought it shows the start of accepting evidence from an open system
Us "broken shelf" members become even more passionate about church history because we usually only saw one side of the coin. Too often we flip sides pretending the familiar side never existed. In truth, both sides are needed for the coin to exist at all and have depth.
I’ll celebrate Joseph Smith’s birthday with this tribute, which I thought was beautiful for even the true believing Mormons:
“Most of the human qualities that endeared him to those who knew him - his jollity, kindliness, love of sport and good living, his athletic grace, and
A daily morning ritual is making delicious coffee. A little bit of these two creamers today made for a simple morning delight.
My brother hates the taste of any coffee, but my wife and I love sharing the experience. Love having the choice!
Shoutout to my BYU economics professor who made a point of telling an auditorium full of 600 capitalism-worshipping business students that “immigrants don’t steal jobs, they add to the economy” and “the most important question we need to answer in economics is income inequality”
@TheRandyMormon
@HollandJeffreyR
Plausible deniability is a powerful and manipulative tool.
It reminds me when the apostles hint at having seen the Savior while saying that their most precious experiences are so sacred they can't share them. When in reality, if they shared it would feel like any other member
No it wasn't just a leadership ban. Dude you don't look at the facts as they are.
Alright, let's go with your more accurate leadership ban.
Only leaders can give baby blessings, priesthood blessings, baptize & confirm, have more of God's authority/power than the pope, bless …
@Enos_Envy
This was Joseph reassuring Oliver Cowdery that being a seer is more important than being a prophet, something Joseph hasn't yet aspired to during this part of dictation
@BlackBlessedLDS
What's really disappointing is seeing a new notification, seeing what happened, and then you're like "oh, uh, this time it's "Stacy" that liked my post. Glad she's really into theology"
@Bmmoody
@onmywaymo
They're so confident they have rarely talked about them, discussed them in conference, and has a slow roll out as a "soft launch".
Some members of the q15 were reluctant to sign off of them.
The Internet dragged the church kicking and screaming to get to the point of punishing
The final hymn was "we thank thee oh God for a prophet". My young son was hyped to see one of his best friends. I'm sure my buddies were surprised I was there and gave big smiles. Acquaintances gave cordial, (5/14)
@secrets_mormon
Some anachronisms can be thought-stopped away with "loanshifting" like horses being tapirs and flocks being turkeys rather than sheep.
But who wants to thought-stop Jesus, the Savior? These anachronisms hit hard and simply can't be dismissed; words of the Lord!
It falls apart
@stackerco
If LDS weren't a high demand fundamentalist religion, then members would be more comfortable with discussing doubt, free agency, spiritual autonomy, humility, etc.
But many members are more than willing to dogmatically impose their views on others and (soft) shun those w doubts
@Enos_Envy
Ugh I had no idea about the second anointing ORDINANCE until looking into church history! It makes an mockery of Jesus grace and a two tiered system of salvation
One of my extremely nuanced friends remarked that sometimes we don't need to give or receive an explanation to make things better and all he wants is someone to just listen. I wasn't planning on chiming in, (10/14)
@WriterDeYoung
@stackerco
@Alscho1999
The thing about faith is that it should be able to withstand scrutiny. Do people really think one's teenage testimony should be able to persist unchanged because they "already got an the answers"? We already separate history, scripture, and theology for Noah's ark. Why not more?
gentle damnation. The church uses fear tactics of being in Satan's power if we don't walk up to every covenant we make at the altar in the temple. Most Christians already know families will be together forever. Yet the primary song is actually a threat: families *can* be (3/4)
@EthPilot
@andynewmanlac
If we try to walk in the kind elderly people will say "excuse me, you are keeping yourself out"
It's not an organization that prevents entrance?
@Bmmoody
We know that looking into church history and understanding the context of various scriptures actually is NOT faith promoting because it ends up showing various portraits of God as inconsistent, capricious, trickster-like, alongside loving and forgiving.
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@LdsAccidentally
"it's all about the money" is a myth.
Ensign Peak is a failure of prophetic insight and standard financial planning. Tithing is a dogma that clings to the false prosperity gospel.
Q15 are getting a nice CEO salary and benefits but aren't embezzling riches like a megachurch
@BrotherMike17
Many Christians view religion as the seasoning to life, not the entire meal. Leaving a church that focuses on Grace, including "once saved always saved" is likely going to be not very jarring compared to leaving LDS or JW.
People don't make videos leaving their D&D group either
Part of regaining my spiritual autonomy was recognizing the plain truth that I don't have to defend slavery, genocide, inferiority of women, etc. And there's a huge difference between God and men speaking in the name of God
Did God really ever order His people to kill?
2 Kings 19:35 came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses
@ldsfootnotes
In my apologetic days I thought the church said the ban wasn't from God, as shown on the GTE. Turns out that's one interpretation of the carefully crafted doc.
The "limited light" quote from Bruce R McConkey comforted me for a decade. Turns out that's an apologetic manipulation:
together forever. Sad heaven is a very real thing that looms as parents and children within mixed faith families grapple that at least one person "stepped out of line", filling the believing members w existential dread that God will separate them for trillions of years (4/4)
@stackerco
@salamander_talk
Get worked up when someone does experiments on measuring the boiling or freezing point of water. "No sweetie, if you do that you'll just pull people away from water..."
@stackerco
Amen! It's important to remember that just like how the largest branch of Christianity isn't necessarily the "right" one, the largest branch of Mormonism, the Brighamite branch, isn't necessarily the "right" one.
@DennisBowden18
This was mind-blowing for me when I learned this.
Also it's anachronistic for the Jews to be silent but the Nephites to be fluent in personified Satan, Jesus Christ, baptism, vivid hell and heaven, and so much more!
@Bmmoody
I appreciate your caution because I'm surprised so many members are jumping up and down, running to their whiteboards, and furiously scribbling "Lehi was buried in Equador" while this news is hot off the press.
We indeed do want to separate history, scripture, and theology
All of organized religion is struggling with retention and growth. sociologist Ryan Cragun shows how demographics and economic development play an enormous roll:
and obey in a one size fits all plan. They want us to outsource our spiritual autonomy to them, to use moral agency to do exactly as we're told; no good faith disagreement allowed. Truthfully, anything less than exaltation in the highest level of the celestial kingdom is (2/4)
@ThoughtfulSaint
@zelphontheshelf
@mormonstories
Watch both sides talk past each other with the most extreme positions that don't represent most people.
Most members are squeamish about polygamy.
Most married exmos are still monogamous.
The point is consent AND accepting any baggage with whatever you CHOOSE.
Ultimately, everyone engages in thought-stopping.
With many religions, when practical doubts creep in about the afterlife, we thoughtstop: "I cant think *that* far in the eternities. I just need to honor my covenants & make it there"
W Buddhism, Toaism, and beneficial therapy..
Trump says immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country.” He’s always been a white supremacist, but he obviously feels more & more comfortable being open about it. Please don’t ever give this man power again.
@Utes_n_Roses
Imagine the great grandparents of our pioneer ancestors horrified to learn that their great grandchildren would one day leave their homeland and abandon their cherished religion to join a polygamous theocracy