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Looking to identify the swing components that all great hitters have in common. Not claiming my content is original just attempting to piece it all together.

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"We are like dwarfs sitting on the shoulders of giants. We see more, and things that are more distant, than they did, not because our sight is superior or because we are taller than they, but because they raise us up, and by their great stature add to ours." Sir Isaac Newton
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@forcefulhitting
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@shegone03 Is Judge doing that?
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@shegone03 @MLB @ClintHurdle13 @WillClark22 @JohnKruk @ToddPratt07 @mikepiazza31 @Nomar5 @RodCarew_29 @MBordick @GDBJr5 @DMEASrecruiting @RVGDag All due respect, Ted Williams wrote about it in his book, first published in 1970: "A slight upswing - again led by the hips coming around and up - puts the bat flush in line with the path of the ball for a longer period - that is 12 to 18 - inch impact zone." (pages 62-63)
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@shegone03 @TewksHitting @CoachPerk @Fiveframeswing @smithsam33 What the HLPers don't understand about the stride, forward momentum, weight transfer, tilt, front knee action, and leverage. See Mookie Betts. Just compare and contrast.
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@shegone03 @twuench @billdubs @SliderDominate @JMincone @BLocsports @RedSox @LouMerloni Guys, respectfully, is this what you mean by down to the ball? Well, he doesn't go down to the ball, literally. The problem we have is explaining what hitters do. It's something I struggle with - how to explain what comes naturally to great hitters like Manny Ramirez.
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@SteveTeel17 Act like you've been there before.
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@CoachPaulHalpin @shegone03 @MLB @notgaetti @BobFile @twuench @billdubs @SliderDominate @SimplyAJ10 @RVGDag @TheKineticArm @TheRealJHair @GDBJr5 @ToddPratt07 @WillClark22 @DMEASrecruiting @JohnKruk @JMincone @mikepiazza31 "A slight upswing - again, led by the hips coming around and up - puts the bat flush in line with the path of the ball for a longer period - that 12- to 18-inch impact zone." (TSOH, 1970)
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Mookie Betts uses his front leg for leverage and front foot for ground reaction force. Notice his back foot skip as he transfers his weight forward into contact.
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2 years
This book from 1994 gave us four things that are now integral parts of hitting fundamentals and conversation: 1) inside the ball (Ben Hines, p.56) 2) the law of the conservation of angular momentum (p.16) 3) coiling action of the back hip (p.59) 4) not cloning hitters (p.73)
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@CoachPerk Ted Williams would disagree. (TSOH, pg. 58)
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@shegone03 Is Aaron Judge doing "the propellar thing" here?
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@shegone03 @MLB @AMBS_Kernan @notgaetti @BobFile @twuench @billdubs "Don't think! It can only hurt the ballclub." - Crash Davis
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5 months
@bamahurin Line your knuckles correctly.
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@uTeeBaseball @Teacherman1986 Bregman is a high-level hitter, just not HLP. This is not new. Watch Roberto Clemente. Back hip coil is for the stability needed to move forward in the stride, especially with a leg lift. See Justin Turner. Dr. Kelly Starrett explains it here.
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@O3jfrye @KevinMench28 @TheRealJHair @ToddPratt07 @billdubs @twuench There are some who charge more. But, is he wrong in teaching what he is teaching. Roberto Clemente would say, no.
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@Chapel14Billy @iZOOM7 Went through all that with that guy all weekend. How come Ruth, Williams, Mays, Mantle, Maris, Clemente, Aaron, Allen, etc, didn't hit with HLP? They were as High Level as you could get.
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@smithsam33 @shegone03 @twuench @billdubs @SliderDominate @JMincone @BLocsports @RedSox @LouMerloni I think all of us need to use language better. Maybe a movement to standardize words and phrases. It would clear things up and end a lot of arguments.
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Albert Pujols does NOT start his swing by "snapping" the barrel back toward the catcher or sideways. He starts down. Then, he uses his core, obliques included, to turn the barrel.
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@notgaetti Could you imagine Travis Kelce doing that to the Detroit Lions Coach, Dan Campbell? That confrontation would be worth the price of a Super Bowl ticket.
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@gritnj So, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle,Mike Trout, and MookieBetts had it all wrong?
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9 months
Bat path of Carlos Correa: what he does and doesn't do.
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@gritnj @TheJudge44 @shegone03 @Fiveframeswing @smithsam33 @Jon_Erhard4 @ChrisNowak83 The HLP explanation as to how the swing is launched just doesn't cut it. How does the back hip fire the bat into the hitting zone?
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@gritnj @TheJudge44 @shegone03 @Fiveframeswing @smithsam33 @CoachPerk @TdsUFA1 "Just because the lead foot taps down early doesn’t necessarily mean it’s DOWN. It’s only down AFTER the launch." REALLY? IS THAT WHAT JUDGE DOES?
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@LantzWheeler Relying on the spinal engine by depriving the individual of ground reaction force. That would be my guess. Otherwise, I have no answer for you.
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2 years
Diamond overlooked the contribution of Mike Epstein and his son, Jake. Mike likely started "the revolution" that Diamond wrote about. Jake now owns and operates a high tech hitting facility in College Station, TX. Diamond should have consulted Jake about the use of gadgetry.
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@CoachPerk How's this? Is this what a hitter should do? (from THE ART OF HITTING .300 by Charley Lau) What did George Brett really do in a game?
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@Hittingdevolop1 Mickey Mantle said, "Take as little coaching as possible. Yogi Berra asked, "How can you think and hit at the same time?" Ted Williams said,"If you want to be a good hitter, watch good hitters hit." George Brett said, “I can’t tell people how I do something, just that I do it."
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Dick Allen's top arm extension.
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@Fiveframeswing @bamahurin @ChrisNowak83 @TewksHitting @shegone03 Ok, Brett, take that swing, then another one on a pitch breaking low and away, then another on an up and in fastball. Do the three swings in succession. Don't use a tee. Visualize the different pitches and their locations.
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GOLD!!! This is what you’re going to get at a lil richie clinic Hutto, TX! $175 to DUMP YOUR BARREL and make hitting the high FB impossible. Let’s call this the LONG SWING DRILL! #shegone @twuench @billdubs @SliderDominate @hoy_cooke @ROXSystem @BLocsports @TheRealJHair
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2 years
@LantzWheeler How does a water polo player create momentum if his feet are moving in the water, not touching the floor of the pool?
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@JoeDucati97 @shegone03 His barrel is only on plane for a short distance, at least on this swing.
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@bamahurin @Fiveframeswing @TewksHitting @CoachPerk @shegone03 At my age, I save my swinging for weekends at the Oasis Bar and Grille.
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No one would have paid attention to any of the guys mentioned by Diamond in SWING KINGS if they studied Ted Williams' book. How did what he said get ignored by so many for over 50 years?
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@shegone03 @twuench @billdubs @SliderDominate @slider_sinker @ROXSystem @gritnj @BLocsports @RVGDag It's becoming an epidemic. Time to shut down the country to await for the approval of a vaccine.
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@TewksHitting @Fiveframeswing @bamahurin @Detective_Magoo @HPL_Lex @TdsUFA1 @shegone03 @CoachPerk @smithsam33 @gritnj Also, they eliminated forward momentum with the kickstand stride, which significantly reduces ground reaction force. They think that most, if not all, of the energy is created by the back hip coil/uncoil.
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@Fiveframeswing @TewksHitting @bamahurin @ChrisNowak83 @shegone03 But notice how Cruz had to rely on a steep negative vertical bat angle to get to that pitch (like Tim Anderson here). If he got a little wider and had more flexion in his front knee, his swing would be flatter.
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@shegone03 "Ain't no sense worryin' about the things you got control over, 'cause if you got control over 'em, ain't no sense worryin'. And ain't no sense worryin' about the things you don't got control over, 'cause if you don't got control over 'em, ain't no worryin'.' - Mickey Rivers
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@shegone03 @twuench @billdubs @SliderDominate @hoy_cooke @BLocsports @TheRealJHair Sounds impressive. He invested in this contraption just to teach "the snap"? He just as easily could have picked up a used bass drum for less money. Does "the snap" occur? Yes, but not like that. Try this. Is Pujols doing that?
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@bamahurin @Fiveframeswing @ChrisNowak83 @TewksHitting @shegone03 Just watch how they get Judge out. Go back to the 2022 postseason or how Scherzer carved him up in last year's Subway Series at Citifield.
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1 year
The swing is both linear and rotational.
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“I feel that rotational swings are more collision-hitting. You’re in & out the zone so fast when you’re rotational. The more linear you are, the sooner & longer you’re in the zone. There’s more room for error.” Justin Turner #TalkinHitting
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@bamahurin @smithsam33 @uTeeBaseball @shegone03 Notice how Betts uses his core muscles to bring his bat into hitting position.
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2 years
What are the origins of the hitting mechanics endlessly debated, many times ridiculed, on here?  Maybe this book can offer some answers. I loved the author's telling of the unlikely story of these relative unknowns, changing how hitting a baseball is understood and taught.
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All-time great hitters share common swing components. From foot plant through contact, they are more similar than dissimilar. We should focus on the commonalities and explain why they do these things. Is there a "science" of hitting? Yes. Identify its components. Teach them.
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@bamahurin @smithsam33 @TewksHitting @Fiveframeswing @Detective_Magoo @HPL_Lex @TdsUFA1 @shegone03 @CoachPerk @gritnj All great hitters are confidant. Those who lack such confidence and are intimidated by it as a consequence, consider it to be arrogance. Dizzy Dean said, "It ain't bragging if you can do it."
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@TheWiseSultan @shegone03 Take away the ball bucket and see what gravity does to the kid's barrel. Gravity will keep pulling the barrel down. Does Aaron Judge do this drill?
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@bamahurin @shegone03 Come on, K.I.S.S. Teach a kid like that, and his head will explode. 🤪 🤯
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@gritnj @TheJudge44 "Just because the lead foot taps down early doesn’t necessarily mean it’s DOWN. It’s only down AFTER the launch." Did Betts' swing launch? Pujols? Baez?
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@shegone03 He needed a fancy term for his hitting principles, one that made it seem that the best/"high level" hitters used them. If you didn't, he labeled you in a derogatory manner. Those who couldn't take it bought into it all. Clever manipulation, that's all, like any cigarette ad.
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@CoachPerk Merry Christmas to you! As to the methods, there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble.”   Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Mickey Mantle's forceful lower half action - forward momentum created by a long stride converted into rotational momentum, then the back leg/foot action adds some more forward momentum.
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Mookie Betts from stride to front foot plant: 1. Bend in front knee 2. Pelvis begins to open while the hands stay back 3. Back knee turns in 4. Back foot comes up 5. Downward angle of the front shoulder 6. Lower half opening while upper half is still closed.
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@sparkyanderson7 @jeremy2529 "I made one mistake. I went out and tried to hit .400 rather than just going out there and play.” George Brett
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@uTeeBaseball It's not that Ted is teaching that. It's more like the kid isn't strong enough to control the bat enough to do what Ted is teaching him.
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@MLBNow How about an extension of 1B into foul territory? Don't they do that in softball in some cases? That would give the runner his section and the fielder his.
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@shegone03 @twuench @notgaetti @BobFile @billdubs @SliderDominate @Sullivan_Ranger @TonyMassarotti @pgammo @AMBS_Kernan @GDBJr5 You're a stand-up guy, Jeff. Would have loved to have you as a teammate, and you could play on a team that I coach any day. 👍
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TSOH came out in 1970. In it, Ted Williams talked about much of what hitting circles talk about now. There were many things of importance but what was perhaps the most important? On pages 62-63, he talked about getting on pitch plane for as long as possible and how to do it.
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@shegone03 @BlueJays @notgaetti @BobFile @twuench @billdubs @TheRealJHair @KevinMench28 @ChickenMan3010 I think that will change with the ban on shifts. A well placed, hard hit groundball works, and even a well placed soft hit groundball will work. There will be a nerd paradigm shift.
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@DumptheDH @low_and_outside Bigger stronger guys = more strain on connective tissue.
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@XPLRbaseball @shegone03 @WesClements22 @20Hojo @DaveGallagher22 @WTP4621 @RealCJ10 Do you really "go back to go forward'? Ted Williams had that conversation with Wade Boggs and Don Mattingly in that SI article in 1986, A REAL RAP SESSION WADE BOGGS, TED WILLIAMS AND DON MATTINGLY RENDEZVOUS TO TALK ABOUT-WHAT ELSE?-HITTING.
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@gritnj Barrel doesn't accelerate behind as they say. Former Yale physicist Robert K. Adair put this diagram in his book.
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@Balancehitting "A slight upswing - again, led by the hips coming around and up - puts the bat flush in line with the path of the ball for a longer period - that 12- to 18-inch impact zone." (TSOH, 1970)
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@bamahurin @Fiveframeswing @ChrisNowak83 @TewksHitting @shegone03 The swing you posted just won't lend itself to adaptation.
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@Hittingdevolop1 You too. Good luck.
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MLB advance scouts are good. So are pitching coaches. There are reasons why teams make the playoffs besides talented, productive players.
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@Detective_Magoo @forcefulhitting @Fiveframeswing @TdsUFA1 @shegone03 @TewksHitting @CoachPerk @smithsam33 In fairness it’s not just one postseason, he’s hitting like .210 over 44 career playoff games while striking out nearly 40% of the time. HLP loves to take credit for all his HRs, why don’t they own up to k% that their swing causes as well?
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