@RepThomasMassie
Hi, environmental scientist here. I’m going to assume your arguments against climate change are based in intellectual dishonesty, because you genuinely can’t be this stupid.
Hey folks, given all the drama over
#HuntingAtlantis
I thought I would clarify a few points about the scientific technology used in the show by
@jessphoenix2018
. So I give you:
The ‘Science’ of
#HuntingAtlantis
Part 1: Science Machines and Make-Believe
@Dr_TheHistories
There are so many things wrong with this.
2.4 M is an old number, before we knew 12% of it was a stone hill.
The precision has been replicated using the transect of the sun and shadows, no lasers needed.
The range is more like 1.5 to 80 tonnes, but 99% of the stones are 1-6.
When Graham Hancock and claims "archaeology isn't science" he isn't talking about archaeological theory. He is talking about survey, excavation, and geochronology, scientific areas he needs to "not be science" so that he can ignore the results he doesn't like.
After all the bullying and gaslighting, I'm not going to lie, it's nice watching this whole thing blow up in dedunker's face.
His dishonesty caught up with him, and now he's dragging Graham down too. That's a shame, I suppose.
The real takeaway here is that the JRE debate went so poorly for Graham that his producers didn't trust him to sell season 2 without a celebrity guest.
Season 2 of my Netflix docuseries Ancient Apocalypse launches Wednesday 16th October. A month before viewing its six episodes, the same poison-pen archaeologists who tried to get Season 1 cancelled are already trying to smear Season 2. Short trailer here:
Still inclined to believe the ‘science’ in
#HuntingAtlantis
? Remember episode 6 where
@jessphoenix
2018 says the marble has a “really distinct chemical signature?”
The machine is showing that it can’t detect any chemical signature at all:
The two biggest fallacies with the “Archaeological Illuminati” conspiracies:
That we could ever all agree on any one thing
That we could ever keep a secret
This is demonstrated by the 2021 study on pXRF of Aegean marbles by T. Vettor and colleagues, who show the general similarity of pXRF readings between marbles from Naxos, Paros, Tinos, Delos, and Mount Hymmetos. There is a lot of overlap.
Answer: It’s entertainment
They don’t worry about science. Like the characters on CSI, who look at a computer monitor and announce the killer wears glasses, doesn’t like pickles and drives a moped.
It doesn't need to be factual, just entertaining.
Did
@jessphoenix2018
and
@stelpavlou
know about this work? Probably, its likely where they got the idea to go to Naxos...
But, if their job is to present scientific research, why did pretend to use pXRF to pretend to make the discovery themselves?
So,
Is the marble from Naxos? Probably, but that work was already done by John Dixon and published in 2013. This was done by observing the physical characteristics of the marble on the islands near Dhaskalio. It’s chapter 14 of the excavation volume
Marble’s chemical composition depends on the limestone beds which were originally compressed and heated. The chemical variations can be slight and seemingly random. Even marble from different places can be too similar for pXRF to reliably detect.
@Graham__Hancock
@FlintDibble
@joerogan
Hey Graham,
DeDunker seems to have missed a large number of articles discussing the difference between natural and anthropogenic ice cores (the bulk of research Flint was talking about)
Could you make sure he gets this one? I know you guys chat.
I'm very confused with all the Gobekli Tepe conspiracies. Most of these folks want to visit the site. Do they think the ruins would be better conserved if thousands of tourists were traipsing around with the shelter, walkways and platforms?
But let’s talk about what it doesn’t do.
In episode 6 of “
#HuntingAtlantis
,
@jessphoenix2018
“uses” the pXRF to "source" the marble used in the buildings of Dhaskalio.
It can't really be used this way
There is lots of good geological science out there for everyone to learn about,
#HuntingAtlantis
just doesn’t care enough to use it as anything but window dressing. To them, the science machines are just for make-believe.
My first two rock samples are likely volcanic with hints of salts that may hold bubbles of ancient water. They’re pieces of a bigger puzzle, to learn:
- how this area formed
- its history of water
- if past life ever existed here
More on
#SamplingMars
:
...By the way, when
@jessphoenix2018
comments about cobalt and titanium and copper being at the right level… those elements aren't useful for sourcing marble with a pXRF.
Did she just name two random elements?
Yes, it appears she did.
Here are the works I referenced:
T. Vettor et al., 2021. Delos archaeological marbles: a preliminary geochemistry-based quarry provenance study, archaeometry
J. Dixon, 2013. “Chapter 14: The Petrology of the Walls,” in Renfrew et al. (eds) The Settlement At Dhaskalio
If you don't want to be called a Nazi, dobt do nazi things. I genuinely can't believe someone needs to be told that.
Jimmy tried to be an edgelord and got caught using an antisemitic symbol.
It's fair play.
I'm tiring of DeDunker. He gets exposed as dishonest over and over. He preys on his fan's curiosity and ignorance for clicks.
A 7 year old citation in the genetics world is ancient, and he clearly didn't bother to look for newer ones. There are some published in 2023...
This technology is heavily used by geologists and archaeologists alike (and definitely by geoarchaeologists like yours truly). It can help identify ancient paints and pigments, to analyse soils, and even to source some stone like obsidian. And it looks like a phaser!
pXRF can source stone, if the chemistry is right. With obsidian, you can use chemical differences to find different sources on the same island!
Some materials can be more difficult to work with...
In reality, science doesn’t work that way. If you only look at the marble from Dhaskalio and the marble from Naxos, you don’t know how different Naxos is chemically from other marbles (which it isn’t, as we already discussed). It’s a pXRF, not a Crystal Ball.
I have Tourette’s
On my first day on Geology 101 I ticked and broke the zygomatic off two model hominid skulls (400 USD + each). I was mortified, afraid I’d have to drop the class. Thankfully the prof understood.
Is great to make geology fun, but why joke about ability?
You can figure out how different stones are similar using statistics, but notice how the groups overlap. Could you tell the points apart without the nifty color guide?
Try to find 2 different sources inside the circle.
Now imagine if you could only see two of the points...
@Jessphoenix2018
and
@stelpavlou
use the pXRF to scan marble from Dhaskalio, then scan marble from Naxos to compare. Jess declares that the stones are a match, then the two rush off to intentionally sink a rowboat with slabs of marble (presumably to prove a point)
The sources overlap. For some perspective, here they are on a map, the area between them is roughly 2,400 square miles. So how did
@jessphoenix2018
look at 2 samples, without any comparison or analysis, and decide that the marbles were “a match?”
@latinedisce
@BretDevereaux
I mean, this phrase, as you wrote it, never appears in any ancient text.
You claim what you wrote is a Spartan proverb, but instead you wrote a sloppy latin phrase.
In other words: you lied.
That ray-gun that
@jessphoenix2018
brings out sometimes is called a Portable X-Ray Fluorescence device, or a pXRF for short. The machine shoots x-rays at your chosen target, and reads the energy which comes back in order to determine what elements it’s looking at
When asked to show the books he learned the fundamentals of archaeology, dedunker showed a bookcase without a single archaeology textbook.
And people are supposed to believe he knows what he is talking about?
The grift is finally starting to unravel...
@Graham__Hancock
@FlintDibble
@joerogan
Graham, this video is full of bad faith arguments. Did you actually watch it? Promoting it makes you look pretty dishonest, particularly given that you started promoting this individual after he started viciously harassing Flint and other archaeologists.
Please internet. Do your thing and share this far and wide. Let's share
#RealArchaeology
with Keanu Reeves. See if we can wake him from the Matrix of misinformation
These are just some preliminary observations on
#TalElHammam
and
#TEHburst
, But I thought they were worth mentioning. As a geoarchaeologist working (amongst other things) on a palatial destruction, I have some thoughts.
As I promised yesterday, I’m going to start addressing the specific scientific claims of the
#BiblicalArchaeology
paper on
#TallElHammam
, just published in Scientific Reports
@scireports
which I will tag
#TEHburst
from now on. (Art credit: Don Davis)
@TEXinMICH
@AndrewSolender
@lisamurkowski
Because the left wants to remove immediately. The right wants to acquit immediately. More testimony is the only way to not bow to partisan pressure.
@playboyreview
@FlintDibble
No, he attempted nothing. He stated factual connections between certain pseudoarchaeological theories and white supremacy and colonialism.
That you just see it as a smear and care more about defending Graham than addressing the issues says way more about you than Flint.
This is BS
The murals do not show white skinned blond blue eyed men on ships, they show people wearing various colors of body paint on canoes. None of them have blue eyes.
And it is inconceivable that Scandinavians would go to Mesoamerica abd NOT bring back the potato
So
@WilliamShatner
, are you up for
@FlintDibble
's challenge? Kinda sounds like you know you aren't.
Why defend the conspiracy theories if you know they don't hold up?
🤔Who knew that there was such outrage in the archaeological community on a show on ancient artifacts? From butt hurt types, to school yard bullies to trash collectors. 🤷🏼♂️🙄🤣
#theUnXplained
Just like DeDunker, Graham cites the study that proves him wrong.
He ignored the dating of the Malta Temples (not just Ggantija) because they damaged his argument. Not only ignored, but claimed the sites were only dated by surface finds.
Graham lied to his audience.
@SoilManDan
@THEWelshUgandan
You're so boring Dan Fallu! But if you are going to maintain your tedious vendetta for more than a year you should at least take the trouble to read the FRAGSUS monographs. The temple of Ggantija itself was not repeat not carbon dated during the FRAGSUS survey. See attached.
Hey folks, given all the drama over
#HuntingAtlantis
I thought I would clarify a few points about the scientific technology used in the show by
@jessphoenix2018
. So I give you:
The ‘Science’ of
#HuntingAtlantis
Part 1: Science Machines and Make-Believe
As a geoarchaeogist, I would say 30% or more of my job is interpreting the results from the geochronologists I work with. They know how to get the dates, I know the stratigraphy. Even the dates have context that help us understand how reliable they are.
Teamwork!
Jimmy Corsetti engages in harrassment and defamation to attempt to hurt anyone who threatens his grift. And he's a little too silent about pro-nazi responses to his posts. He may not be a nazi, but he certainly values their subscriptions.
Wow, how low can a person sink?
Jimmy Corsetti is still attacking me for having cancer. Pointing out that I'm well enough to give a video lecture for a conference, but ignoring the first 30 seconds where I apologize for illness preventing the short trip from Cardiff to Belfast
It's a bit belated, but I think it's high time to mention that I was awarded a
@MSCActions
fellowship to research the geoarchaeology of human burial a
@univgroningen
starting in September.
More to follow soon...
Dedunker desperately trying to save face amidst public embarrassment.
The data is there regardless of whether the initial analysis were intended to look for smelting. The concentrations before the last 2000 years can be explained by natural processes.
Dan Richards is dishonest
This
#archaeology
thread gives a behind-the-scenes look at the new
@discovery
show “Hunting Atlantis” hosted by
@stelpavlou
&
@jessphoenix2018
I present findings based on years of interdisciplinary research into the archaeological and historical context around Atlantis
/1
I want to make this very clear
These pseudoarchaeologists are outright lying. I have excavated for several dozen field seasons at nearly 20 different sites in 7 different countries
In all cases, we excavated below the lowest level of human occupation. To bedrock or natural soil
Graham Hancock complains that “Big Archaeology” is hiding information from the public. One of the chief myths he promotes is that Göbekli Tepe overturned everything archaeologists knew about that time period. However, he’s the one who says nothing about the Pre-Pottery Neolithic.
Dan Richards is flailing. He's already had to abandon his claims Flint lied about ice cores and shipwrecks. Now he's desperately clinging to his feralization point (despite already knowing his 'research' is outdated and debunked itself).
He hopes we don't notice, but he's done.
@reporterKeithA
@FernRiddell
That’s ok, PhDs don’t use AP, because we have real, time tested, and world respected writing styles that know to call people like Dr. Riddell by her proper title.
What did you think you were accomplishing by tweeting this?
@Dr_TheHistories
Also it's straight up lies about the archaeological consensus, which is not 10 years but almost 30 years, based on the Diary of Merer, which describes quarrying and transporting the casing stones in the 27th year of Khufu's reign.
@Graham__Hancock
What exactly is supressed?
The article is still available to be read, along with the justification for its retraction, which is valid. The authors simply did not do the necessary work to support their claim.
@Graham__Hancock
Why do you claim meltwater pulse 1B could have caused sea level rises of multiple meters "overnight," when the most reliable evidence suggests it was a 300-400 year period of maximum 2.5 cm rise a year?
What evidence do you have for such a claim?
I was told by a Hancock fan that as an archaeologist I don't have enough interdisciplinary understanding of geology...
...Most archaeologists I know think I'm a geologist.
Dentistry is a sort of cartel.
You can poke around in people's mouths for any other reason, in just about any country, with minimal paperwork... *except* if you are treating a medical condition.
@picker_six1253
@BAJRjobs
@Graham__Hancock
I get it, you assumed Graham's post and the video were in good faith.
Unfortunately, it doesnt really seem that way. Graham has been informed about Dan's lies about Flint, and he continues to promote him.
All to avoid facing his poor performance on the JRE.
Dedunker continues to show how little work he actually does. Thinks that just because he had to google olive trees to learn the term "flat rooted" that a professional, who has excavated at Gobekli tepe, did the same.
This is getting increasingly embarrassing for Dan.
@Dr_TheHistories
It also ignores the use of abrasives, and that the copper was cold hammered, which makes it much harder.
Also that the vast majority of stones came from the immediate environs.
@picker_six1253
@BAJRjobs
@Graham__Hancock
Again, this isn't about silencing a critic. It's about demanding that lies and harrassment stop. Real actionable libel and harrassment.
Dan is spiraling because of Grahams poor performance, and Graham is using him to go after Flint.
@SoilManDan
@mchykerda
@IndiArchaeology
Look, I’m an engineer. I know what I’m talking about. I’m trying to be nice. Here’s a picture from the Drexler analysis of the concrete at the pyramids, it’s an amorphous sillicate crystal lattice. Now you know.
Again, it's good to read a out things. But when you are claiming to "correct" the archaeologists or "keep them honest," you should at the very least know what and archaeology textbook is, and probably have read one.
This guy says you should trust him over professionals.
This is Mr. pOSL (portable Optically Stimulated Luminescence). He likes the dark, and he can be finnicky, but he helps produce relative chronologies of soils and sediments.
He can also do a little bit of mineralogy if you ask him correctly.
More archaeologist should use pOSL.
Flint never said they were, that's misinformation cooked up by DeDunker.
And Graham omits that the discussion in question was very specifically dealing with Grahams repeated claim his civilization had technology comparable to 18th or early 19th century Europe. Why?
It’s regrettable that
@FlintDibble
waited until June 20th to admit that very high levels of atmospheric metals have in fact been detected in Ice Age ice cores. Flint: yes, or no, were those cores ever tested for the specific isotopic signatures of metallurgy?
@playboyreview
@FlintDibble
No, because these ideas cause real harm when applied unquestioningly.
Again, all you care about is protecting Graham from criticism, and that's fine. You do you. But there are other, more vulnerable people out there who could maybe use some consideration.
It's not about Graham.
Bad faith arguments abound. I find it interesting that Graham doesn't seem to have the knowledge to defend his actions. Isn't he the one who selected the "quotes" and wrote the passage?
If a grad student tried to network with me while I was waiting at an airport, I would gladly invite them to watch TV with me, but under the condition they not mention archaeology.
Airport time is my time, and it should be their time too.
Tim's approach here is toxic.
Jimmy Corsetti claims Flint Dibble defamed him. He claims this has damaged his reputation. At the same time he says he hasn't been "cancelled" and isn't worried.
So which one is it?
Jimmy is just trying to silence someone he feels threatened by.
@picker_six1253
@BAJRjobs
@Graham__Hancock
It sounds like you commented on the situation with absolutely no understanding of what has happened.
Dan has falsely accused Flint of a crime, misrepresented literature to call him a liar, and engaged in dehumanizing verbal abuse and name calling.
And Graham promotes it.
@wicktothemoon
@FlintDibble
@Graham__Hancock
Claiming that a re-arranged version of a second hand description of an inscription is accurate is dishonest. And it's Graham himself who did the rearranging.
It grinds my gears that
@Graham_Hancock
targets archaeologists and claims they have no interest in examining the deep past. A good friend of mine, Chad DiGregorio, gave his life doing just that with research into Paleolithic seafaring. Some of his story here:
@NMarbletoe
@LiferJays
@CharlesJSturge
@Graham__Hancock
Ancient Origins isn’t a great source, but the debate over Plakias is interesting. I worked with that team at the nearby Damnoni site in 2013. A good friend of mine was doing on his dissertation on that site until he died in the field in Turkey.