We started Jhourney to make life-changing meditation accessible to everyone.
Here’s what happened in 2023, including with the metrics we think matter most. 👇🏼
Skin-in-the-game, bigger-than-self purpose I think is an open secret life hack (up there with jhanas and finding a baseline happy life partner).
It’s so good that I felt cheated when I (finally) became a founder. I thought “why did everyone tell me this is hard instead of
I wrote & analyzed a 20-person list of anyone I've seen go sustainedly super-saiyan (i.e., anyone who's become radically more capable of creating what they want to see in the world). 18/20 all did the same thing. Can you guess what it was?
Hint – it wasn't a:
• transformative
Jhourney's looking for some volunteers in the Bay Area interested in being our first guinea pigs next week for our earliest attempts at jhana-accelerating biofeedback.
Will require ~4 hours. We'll pull out everything we've got to try and teach you the jhanas.
It’s exciting to see the Atlantic do a full story on
@jhanatech
and the potential for taking jhanas to scale. .
A year ago, the biggest jhana story might have been Astral Codex Ten comments debating whether or not they’re real!
I love to see mainstream
Recently I was interviewing someone about a recent meditation, and they said “I got a nice feeling.”
10 min later I got suspicious and went back and asked “how nice?”
They said, “Oh, by far the most pleasurable thing that’s happened to me in over a year.”
I don’t know why meditation teachers downplay how helpful meditation has been to them. They constantly talk about how meditation doesn’t solve everything, they still suffer etc. But ask them to quantify it and they’re like oh lol my worst day now is 10x better than an old good
After dozens of hours of interviewing jhana meditators, we've got a list of experimental ideas for teaching the jhanas quickly.
Want to experiment with us? We're hosting a retreat next weekend at the Alembic (July 29th and 30th) to see what we might discover together.
Extremely excited to announce that we'll be running a weekend retreat at the Berkley Alembic next weekend (29th & 30th)!
Sign up at the link below to join us for a weekend of Jhana-based experimentation
I might be unusually slow, but I've found a lot of nondual pointers insufficiently specific ("just look!") or seemingly with legitimate answers without any effect ("who/what am I?" always points to loosely in my head).
But I finally have one that's dropped me into a warmish
One of my favorite jhana learning stories was a guy who trained himself in middle school to experience the euphoria of his crush independent of thinking about the girl after seeing someone else kiss her.
He realized the euphoria was entirely in his own head (“She didn’t even
Few things communicate the importance of self-compassion in meditation than the legendary story of the Dalai Lama thinking "self-hate" was a translation error.
Two ideas that, if they have limits, I don’t seem to be close to finding them:
1) making a game out of finding ways to find gratitude / compassion for everything / everyone in day to day activities, especially tough ones.
2) making a game out of asking myself in any moment what
After six months of lugging around a couple hundred thousand dollars in EEG equipment and coaxing our ML infrastructure to spit out different numbers, last summer we had our zero to one moment!
Our ML model began detecting jhanas with ~75% accuracy across subjects.
In this
I got goosebumps the first time I read about predictive processing, and it changed my meditation practice. I thought “Maybe I don’t want to parse the breath with razor-like precision. Maybe I want it to overwhelm me, and learn to *feel* what it’s like to turn off my priors, a new
Our new theory of consciousness reveals meditation, psychedelics, and the future of AI in a whole new light. Suggests meditation may boost the “general” nature of intelligence.
⚡️1/60⚡️
I talk about jhanas every day. Every day I worry about over claiming. And every day I meditate and think “I can’t believe this is real”
And they’re not even the end of road: from materialistic personality change to further spiritual development, the jhanas can be a start.
@aswathkrishnan
Strong cravings broadly, sense of not having enough, sense of being deprived, boredom (e.g. standing in line feeling bad), mild to moderate pain (but not strong pain), anxiety (if access to 3rd), and more
We recently collected 40 hours of biodata from expert jhana meditators.
Then we asked GPT-4 to write an "inspiring but not over-the-top" blog post updating our investors and followers.
It's inspiring. No comment on whether or not it's over-the-top.
TIME did a great job capturing the enormous potential of accessible jhanas: “Come for the bliss, stay for the personal growth.”
The striking thing about the jhanas is the in-the-moment bliss-peace. The most valuable thing about them is how learning how to navigate into jhanas
In my final piece for
@TIME
, I wrote about the surging interest in the jhanas, the fraught debates over commercializing ancient spiritual practices, and my surreal experiences at a
@jhanatech
meditation retreat this spring. Read at the link below👇or in the next issue of TIME
This is exactly why we're building . Just closed our first fundraising round, and early pilot data is encouraging! Yesterday
@kathryndevaney
and I had a "holy sh*t, this is really going to work" moment watching
live EEG data change during jhanas.
@bryan_johnson
@KernelCo
can we get Leigh Brasington (and other jhana experts) into a Flow study? This could go a long way towards better characterization of these states. Even a 1% of getting a jhana trainer app out of such a project seems worth it
After 9 months of burning midnight oil, cortisol, and adrenaline to keep burn low enough to survive, we saw our first real success.
Our first two retreats resulted in ~70% of people in jhana and ~80% NPS.
Testimonials were **hyperbolic**:
A few years ago I decided to cut my life-savings in half, quit my job, and budget 2-3 years of deadweight career loss in an attempt to get just one person into life-altering states of meditation.
Sharing is a dream come true. 🙏🏻🥰
Just realised I can and should convince all my interent friends to do a Jhourney Jhana retreat. Possible most EV thing you can engage in in your LIFE (other than getting married, having kids, etc.)
First Jhourney retreat designed for novices happening in Sept.
We’re engineers, not dharma teachers; if that excites you, we’d love to have you — spots are limited.
This retreat will focus on low-tech innovations; we’ll track success rates and layer on tech over time.
Incredibly excited to announce that we'll be running an in-person retreat focused on teaching a secular interpretation of the Jhanas at Mount Madonna Center from September 21st - 30th!
More details:
We figured if cut the guesswork, we'd make jhanas at least 10x faster to learn.
So we set out to collect a biosensor dataset big enough to train ML models that would make jhanas easy-to-verify. Imagine the music or instruction you're listening changing in realtime based on your
They (a) show you in an undeniable and unforgettable way that everything you do, from career choices to conduct in relationships, is in search of and response to feelings,
(b) that everything you seek — the full spectrum of experience from bliss to peace — can be found within
The last third of the Shamil - Sam Harris discussion was my favorite podcast in 2023.
@shamilch
trained in the jhanas (“MDMA without the drug”) for years before nonduality, and he's mentioned elsewhere the jhanas may be the most important secrets in the world right now, up
A fascinating take on consciousness, love & non-duality from Sam Harris and
@shamilch
, inspired by Sam's recent experience meditating on MDMA...
*I've often thought that the overemphasis on emptiness & freedom in meditative traditions is the result of these systems being
@noampomsky
My girlfriend insisted i have a piece of her favorite chocolate every time i came over for the first 6 months of our relationship when I said on the first date I wasn’t a fan of chocolate. We’re now engaged and I love her favorite chocolate.
Excited to announce the first "Jhanas for Beginners" online retreat, accessible anywhere from Pacific Time.
We'll be accompanied by a variety of visiting expert teachers across multiple jhana traditions.
There’s a point in meditation in which you can see/feel tanha in real-time arise as mental tension, and forever after you can’t unsee it — happiness is more often found by subtraction not addition, it follow releasing/relaxing, and it’s been hiding in plain sight
The secret to happiness turns out to be not doing a specific fast clenching mechanic called tanha that we’ve known about for 1000y+, is easily reproducible by tons of people, and we don’t teach people about ever. It all feels like a cheesy plot point from a fiction novel
@nickcammarata
@kathryndevaney
It's still very, very early and far, far from conclusive. Our shared moment of excitement was in watching visible changes raw EEG as our subject moved up and down J1-J4. Lots of testing, replication, and controlling in front of us. Below: J2 right, J4 left.
@stephen_zerfas
@impromptuvision
It felt like everything will be okay + sunlight filtering through leaves onto my skin with a light breeze + the world is beatiful + I love and I am loved, in an overwhelming yet not painfully intense way. It was one of the best feelings I’ve ever felt, but 9/
We're hosting a last-minute, hypnosis-for-jhana experiment on Friday.
Our hypnotherapist is doing a PhD in clinical psychology at Baylor, specializing in hypnosis for mystical experiences.
Join us! We've got limited spots.
Mistaking phenomenology as irrelevant metaphysics might be the biggest reason our most powerful psychotech today, from jhanas to nonduality, has gone under-explored and under-utilized for decades.
Probably tied up in the multi-decade set back of psychedelics too!
Enlightenment tech has all the properties of a Silicon Valley “secret”: an idea hidden in the shadow of what you’re culturally not allowed to think about (the ‘woo’), that few people are building, and w large opportunity cost after perspective-changing personal experience
awakening tech might be doable in the next few years (eg transcranial ultrasound) and have a bigger addressable market than anything but AGI
the most common willingness to pay is 100% of their money without any more info on what it even is
@sashachapin
I’ve decided the TWIM intro to jhana instructions are my favorite:
- use metta b/c faster than breath
- the goal is to find some warm feeling in the chest, like that of watching puppies, and make it grow
The idea that there is no goal in meditation I think is well-meaning, but confuses what is true with what is useful, and I think has done more harm good.
New blog post! "Navigating paradox: meditation can and should have goals"
Much of meditation culture suggests you should not have goals, or even think about improvement. Jhourney disagrees - there's always a goal to meditation.
Link in next tweet!
This is very trainable, with large benefits — helpful for jhanas, improves mentality of abundance (and can prime better decisions), great way to increase baseline happiness, etc.
I love playing with this and still amazed at how big my knowing-doing gap is.
enjoying metta as my main. fun trying to keep metta vibes going while at gym, driving, walking..
wild how often i’ve tensed up when around others
i want to radiate metta vibes within and outwards continually. doing so most of the time on auto pilot feels like a trainable skill
Love to see another learn-to-jhana journey! Second-order effects often dwarf first-order effects, and the jhanas are no exception -- the mentality of abundance that comes from pleasure on-demand could be the biggest mental health win we see in our generation.
After a while working with them, I can confirm jhanas are based. The counterintuitive claims made by
@nickcammarata
and others abt how instant access to pleasure+happy feelings leads to more hedonic balance, less craving, etc. have truth ime … which remains super surprising
We also confirmed a long-held suspicion of ours: lifetime meditation hours do NOT correlate with jhana access.
If anything, novices may actually be easier to teach than experienced meditators because they have fewer habits to unlearn.
@ejames_c
@tasshinfogleman
I’d hit a bug, ask for help, and my wizard colleagues would give infuriatingly correct but mysterious solutions.
Then I started asking explicitly for cues, expectations, and alternative actions, and voila, I gradually started anticipating their thought processes.
Even wrote a
Excited to share we've started a podcast!
We've had so many fascinating conversations with jhana meditators, especially now that we're running retreats, it's overdue that we capture and share.
Jhourney's launching a podcast, Collection of Jhourneys!
We'll be talking to everyday meditators, adept practitioners, and researchers about jhana states and the profound effects they can bring to people's lives.
Check link in bio & next tweet to subscribe!
At some point, I decided people who seemed much happier than me but had funny explanations for WHY they were happy, were still special people to interview about HOW they became happy.
And boy did I interrogate some of them.
One of the best decisions I've ever made.
“It’s extremely difficult to be top 1% in any field. But if you’re top 20% in two fields, you’re likely top 1% at their intersection. Your skills become rare and valuable when you combine ‘pretty goods.’” (Paraphrased) —
@ScottAdamsSays
I’m no therapist, these states haven’t been studied in a clinical context, and we don’t want to over-claim.
But Scott’s fascinating podcast captures our excitement: the jhanas are more accessible than most think, and those who’ve learned them cite step-changes in wellbeing.
Have you heard of Jhanas?
They are deep states often accompanied by ecstatic bliss accessed through meditation.
Many people considered these type of experiences only accessible to advanced practitioners, but
@zerfas33
and the team at
@jhanatech
believe otherwise.
What if after
We love to give "Run your own experiments!" as meditation instruction.
In a preverbal and invisible space, you're the only who can solve the puzzle. Running a guru's algorithm on infinite loop in your own head is a high stakes gamble.
Good experimenting requires triangulation.
Important to average over at least like three people you respect, language is terrible for this kind of field, misinterpreting what someone is saying is almost guaranteed to some extent, averaging over a few people makes it a bit less likely to be misinterpreting too badly
Oxford's
@shamilch
's new talk "Meditation and the Bayesian Brain" is fantastic. It's as rich in theory as it is in pointers to practice: a framework for the relationship between jhanas, deconstruction, and nondual techniques can change how we explore each
I want to soon start aggregating little tips like these.
Words are so reductive in meditation; it can be helpful to have a bunch of little micro tips from different people.
And traditional student-teacher processes mean crowdsourcing/peer-sharing is neglected.
@algekalipso
It feels a little less like a button and more like asking the body for joy, but it’s a felt-sense ask not lingual. Then whatever was previously on the “canvas” starts washing away and the joy arises and fills it up
Interested in the jhanas?
Follow my cofounder
@Alex_Gruver1
and the company
@jhanatech
.
Check out our podcast
Subscribe to our listserv
And check out our upcoming retreats!
so far my experience with
@jhanatech
is: a field of green flags
there’s so much i like and respect about the work, approach, team, the atmosphere and their integrity
one of the clearest and cleanest (read: unconflicted) experiences i’ve had with a retreat/course so far
Does anyone have a trick for reminding themselves of all the behavior change they want to implement on a periodic basis as opposed to an everyday/habit basis.
I tuck insights I want to change my behavior into Anki and then scroll it like I scroll twitter — high value dopamine
@algekalipso
My fiancée, who doesn’t have a meditation habit, thought she’d been in J1/2 a few times. They were “nice”.
Last week she had the real thing, complete with 6hr afterglows.
She’s gotten up earlier than me every day for the first time in 3 years to meditate since.
We were delighted by the hundreds of people that expressed interest.
And some of our ideas worked! 10% of people on our weekend retreat and 25% in the cohort had a peak experience they said was the best thing that happened to them in a year or more!
Jhourney's looking for some volunteers in the Bay Area interested in being our first guinea pigs next week for our earliest attempts at jhana-accelerating biofeedback.
Will require ~4 hours. We'll pull out everything we've got to try and teach you the jhanas.
Success rates were high enough and testimonials strong enough, that suddenly our retreats offered more than just a way to collect data: they began doubling as recruiting, fundraising, product development, and revenue-generating tools all at once. 💪
Starting a running list of the best critiques I've seen of EA. 👇🏻
I'm a big fan of EA (with the caveat that I don't understand why the movement doesn't appear interested in valence studies), and so want to pressure-test my thinking best I can.
From here, our priorities are:
1) hit default-alive at 60 retreatants per month (currently 30)
2) get time-to-jhana as as possible
3) spread the word about one of the greatest secrets on the planet: the average person can experience meditation like “MDMA without the drug”
On my second
@jhanatech
retreat, I voluntarily switched off my consciousness with less than 3 hours of practice.
After experiencing what's called "cessation," my jhana practice feels complete. I wrote up instructions for those who are curious to try it:
We’re just getting started, and think more 10x improvements in accessibility are around the corner.
Like our upcoming bookend-the-workweek model.
Over 70% of our novices that reach jhana have done so in 4 full days on retreat, so perhaps 2 weekends with heavy meditation dose
One of the most valuable things I read in 2020 was
@ejames_c
’s blog series on learning from experts faster.
It’s fun and a little surreal that he just added an interview with me to the series.
Cedric’s series describes a process for better understanding an expert’s thought
This was ambitious, but first principles said it was do-able.
Breakthroughs in neurofeedback for meditation, decreasing consumer-hardware prices, and advancements in ML for EEG suggested it was a signal processing rather than a neuroscience problem.
Perhaps the coolest neuroscience research no one is talking about: Jhourney (founded by
@zerfas33
).
They're attempting to develop ways to identify and study Jhana states, eventually improving teaching methods reducing time to first Jhana.
just hit jhana 1, a day ago and still can't comprehend how this could be real
this feels like an esoteric secret that I not only intellectually know of but have experienced on a deeply somatic level
There are a few life skills that are disproportionately valuable and largely invisible across the population, which makes it hard to identify best practices. Internal thought habits are top of my list. This is a rare and valuable window from
@nickcammarata
.
How on Earth could we incentivize someone to spend hours under our equipment?
We realized we had to learn how to teach jhanas the old-fashion way.
If we could teach jhanas, then we could collect novice data before, during, and after their first magic moments.
Vox's latest article by
@OshanJarow
captures some of the most exciting questions and potential around the growing mainstream interest in the jhanas.
Some of my favorite quotes:
“...basic mindfulness does not exactly topple one’s understanding of how consciousness works — the
wrote about the rise of jhana meditation, where people are quickly entering wildly altered states of bliss & rediscovering a neglected tradition.
mindfulness is nice — the jhanas are shocking, & raise exciting questions about what minds can learn to do
One of the most important things I've ever read was in
@GregoryMcKeown
's Essentialism.
He describes a suggesting learned helplessness is stimuli-dependent, not task-dependent!
If true, we're all likely exhibiting far less agency than we could be, and we have no idea we're
We’ve now run 6 total retreats:
70% of people in jhana
70% of those in jhana say it’s the best thing they’ve experienced 6 months or more, 30% say in a year or more, and 15% or in their entire life!
80% overall NPS (Apple’s is ~75%)
We decided to target jhanas because they have an extraordinary set of characteristics – if you can get someone into jhana, it's likely you'll change their life.
I talk about jhanas every day. Every day I worry about over claiming. And every day I meditate and think “I can’t believe this is real”
And they’re not even the end of road: from materialistic personality change to further spiritual development, the jhanas can be a start.
I keep finding myself surprised that “you’ll be happier if you fully feel difficult emotions instead of resisting them” is not at all a mainstream belief, even though it’s something I’ve only absorbed in the past 18 months.
I spent a year working towards jhana and all I got was my daily happiness going from 2.5 to 7.5, a better understanding of my subjective experience, greater skill working with my body sensations, and a vastly improved relationship with my wife.
In true startup fashion, we experimented in order of cost, starting with the cheapest things we could think of:
- just seeing if the model worked on novices out of the box (it didn't)
- running “Jhana in 2 hour” workshops
- weekend retreat
- 6-weeks remote async cohort
The five hour window on memory reconsolidation is fascinating.
May support combining jhana + insight and jhana + forgiveness. I used to call this “personal brainwashing.”
Reminds me of
@johnsonmxe
and
@algekalipso
’s idea of annealing.
Something I'm super interested in understanding is the difference between peak state-induced emotional catharsis (common) vs. lasting neuroplastic change (rare)?
How does one know if that somatic process they went through rewired anything on a nervous system level?
In the book
Surrender can be a tricky concept. Something that arose the first time I experienced spontaneous jhana was directing the pleasure and any merit accrued to others. It was an obvious volume dial, cling and the volume turned down, give it away and the volume turned up.
We're hosting a jhana measurement weekend retreat. We'd love to have you if you're in the Bay Area 12/17 - 12/18 and practice the jhanas.
@kathryndevaney
As soon as we showed the problem was tractable with experts, we set out to make our tools useful for novices.
But we needed hundreds of hours of biosensor data from novices.
@JakeOrthwein
@nosilverv
@jhanatech
I think (a) lay-accessible jhanas aren’t hard to learn (b) and western & meditation memeplexes have a few implicit ideas unhelpful for jhanas, like:
- pleasure is bad
- metaphysics are important
- self-criticism is productive
They also don’t always emphasize things like:
-
One of the best things about building a jhana pipeline is that it throws off data that will make us better over time.
I've wanted evidence to say whether or not prior meditation experience affects probability of jhana for years!
I teamed up with
@jhanatech
to figure out if meditation experience is predictive of jhana success. Our analysis found no correlation:
All the more reason to try it!
Daunted by the expertise we needed to learn to teach jhanas, we invited 8 teachers on retreat to watch us coach 10-15 students 1-on-1 daily and give feedback after each.
Within 6 weeks we reached hundreds of deliberate practice reps immediately followed by expert feedback.
For open-aware jhana fans, it reminds me a lot of the move to release mental tension in going from J4 or J5 to J6 using compassion, but doesn't feel as strongly as everything-is-so-beautiful-I-could-cry unless I really sink in (which might just be another way to get to an
@sashachapin
- if you don’t find warmth, try gratitude
- if that doesn’t work, assume you’re blocked and use forgiveness meditation of self and others, looking for your block,
- return to metta once resolved
This was intimidating. Surely we couldn’t teach jhanas ourselves!
Meditation teachers often apprentice for years or decades before setting out on their own, and we could only budget 3 months’ burn at most.
We're currently looking for an EEG experimentalist at Jhourney. If you know someone with 3+ years professional EEG experience or similar who might be interested in applying their talents to mapping and scaling the jhanas, let us know!
I just did one of these meditations from
@algekalipso
for the first time and quite effortlessly reached the most ecstatic non-psychedelic meditative state of my life.
I was pretty confused at first, like I’d walked into a class exercise halfway through and missed the initial
> don’t worry about jhanas, do it to learn about meditation and joy
every now and then we debate dropping the word "jhana." there's a world of play and exploration out there, no labels needed!
rn i wish them all the best. i want to see them continue succeeding and flourishing and want to do all i can to support that
if you’re on the fence about doing their retreats: i wholeheartedly say do it. don’t worry about jhanas, do it to learn about meditation and joy
@sashachapin
- focus 90% metta feeling, 10% on the idea of giving it away (helps it grow)
- when distracted, assume literal tension in the head, find and relax it, also find something to relax physically
- this literal mental release and physical relax is essential
- return to metta, repeat
I don't think
@exdiegesis
is the only one with this concern: it'd be a shame if meditation made you less altruistic, motivated, or effective.
Fortunately, I think it does the opposite. Why? Mostly nervous system mastery: you become aware of states and emotions earlier and at
@stephen_zerfas
@shamilch
As far as I understand, a lot of happiness from meditation comes from the skill of letting go of your desires ("absence of seeking"). I don't wish to try, because I fear it will work, and I will lose motivation to save the world. (Yes, this is my most true rejection.)
IIRC, dogs were divided into three groups. Each dog was put into a cell.
One group was shocked and could pull a lever to get it to stop. Another was shocked but the lever but it did nothing. A third wasn't shocked.
Then all dogs were put in a very different cell and
I founded
@nudge
with
@quintinfrerichs
.
We’re building an ultrasound headset to enhance human experience. Press a button to shift your brain state: go to sleep, boost focus, break habits, elevate mood, etc. We believe this device has the potential to improve people’s daily lives
This is all 10xing our understanding of what it will take for tech to succeed. Our tech roadmap shifted after 10 people reached jhana, and shifted again after 50.
We’ll get more shots on goal for jhana biofeedback, each one more accurate than we ever thought.
Such hyperbolic claims scream untapped potential for research and scale.
But nonduality may so far be relatively more widespread.
Following my last nondual retreat, my leading guess is this is due to misunderstandings about open-aware jhanas, which have gained popularity only
I became a bounty hunter! But instead of hunting outlaws, I hunt the biggest bottlenecks to thriving.
For example, Bob was bottlenecked by lifelong anxiety. So he offered a $3k bounty to resolve it. We resolved it in a single conversation.
Sometimes I think the feeling of everything snapping into place, like the aha moment of solving a puzzle, or a moment of genius in sports or art, has a similar quality to deeply meditative states. Perhaps we know God as moments of harmony throughout the nervous system.
Over the years, I've noticed how many of the people I admire the most have a very deep feeling of God, despite this feeling usually being looked down upon in their circles.
A few quotes I’ve been returning over the years:
The degree of path dependence in careers is crazy. A little luck early on leads to an accumulation of network / resources / learning in a way that’s hard to believe until you see it.