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kishalay b

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1996 @sardesairajdeep was in Cong HQ @BDUTT BJP @SreenivasanJain JDHQ & @ARNABGOSWAMl at Left.I found the OB sheet! http://t.co/4vptMXqjBU

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I have been around for some time covering elections in India. I cannot recall a more lacklustre and disinterested general election ever in this country.

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This is #flood 40 lakh people,25 lakh animals affected,1 lakh hectares of crop gone,85 people dead ,113 wildlife dead. But while “everyone loves a good drought” why is it they don’t care about flood? #AssamNeedsHelp #flood @

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I neither have the ability nor the desire to sell my own work. But the book exists somewhere and records the banality of everyday horror in todays India

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Do you know of anyone who works, writes or speaks on rivers? We are having the 6th edition of River Dialogues at the IIC on March 3rd and looking for new voices, fresh perspectives and storytelling. This is also a call for papers on rivers.

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@walktravels @Roshanjnu you spend a few nights at Tihar for no fault of yours and we will consider paying some attention to you till then stay away

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Not plugging my book but if you are curious or stunned by #DavinderSingh story please try to read my 2015 book #BloodOnMyHands and it’s priced online as much as a cup of coffee!

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Bookstores across airports and many cities are looking more and more like Hindutva kiosks. Are publishers under pressure of producing more such books? Or they feel that’s the ‘market’?

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Expected more outrage on the massacre in Nagaland. “Wrong intel” is an excuse to obfuscate plain murder #bloodonmyhands @official_dgar this needs swift conviction and dont invoke #AFSPA

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Finally! Written almost 3 years ago this book went through the pandemic, #caa #nrc #farmersprotest #kashmir travelling across 5 cities trying to understand #citizenship #identity & #nationalism . Thanks @pandeyvij9 for the cover. Visit @OrientBlackSwan stall at #WorldBookFair

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Please spread the word. I am looking for long form essays and papers for an edited book that will serve as masterclasses in #Conflict #postconflict #war #disaster #crisis in India and the neighbourhood DM me or write to kishalayb @gmail .com

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Sick of this word #Migrant .These people walking across states are citizens & human beings like you & I.Technically we are all migrants .Please stop referring to them as if they are some untouchables & you r legitimate @scroll_in @PalshikarSuhas @thewire_in #COVID @_sabanaqvi

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Someone from North India: Navratri starts today, do you have puja rituals or fasting ? I: What?! No! On the contrary, in the East we start gorging good VEG & NONVEG food and we don’t stop.

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For @BJP4India to contest 50 seats and lose deposit in 49 in the previous elections and now to lead in 40 seats in #TripuraElections2018 is more than remarkable. I am trying to figure this out !

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#SurgicalStrikes is not just for #Uri but domestic pressure (built up by certain sections of the media).See how that media is celebrating

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5 years

Not plugging it for the sake of it but just thought that it maybe a good idea to share my book on #encounters now that everyone is talking #HyderabadMurder #BloodOnMyHands its cheaper than a pizza to buy and read this

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5 years

Exactly and we know how much was spent for Assam NRC-1200crore employing 50,000 staff and all tax payers money and for what?

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Citing reservations about the constitutional validity of the new citizenship law, 106 retired bureaucrats write an open letter calling NRC & NPR wasteful exercises. There are some highly respected names in that list.

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Looking for teachers : a)Reporting Climate Change/Global Warming/Environment, b)Multimedia/Digital Storytelling, c)Gender & Sexuality, Screenplay Writing. Position: Assistant Professor (full time). Start date: Feb 1.Applicant expected to relocate to Sonipat (42 kms from Delhi)

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5 years

The crowd didn't fire @Uppolice even the courts find you culpable @AmitShahOffice

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1 year

#storytelling After 64 years 'Seminar' is taking a pause and I was the guest editor for the last issue that has delightful contributions. Please pick up your copy. Seminar won't hit the stands again! @ranjithoskote @SumanaSiliguri #vikramseth @parasherb and many more

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@kishalay

6 years

270 communal clashes in 2017 in #Bihar and 200 after @NitishKumar rejoined #NDA

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@kishalay

2 years

@anandmahindra and acknowledge the contribution of small states like Manipur ..it is huge

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@kishalay

4 years

Dear @IndianExpress was the interview you carried this morning on @myogiadityanath dealing with pandemic by @MathewLiz an advertorial? Maybe you missed marking it as an advert.

UP is so vast, only by taking precautions can I monitor it: Yogi Adityanath

I never step out without a face mask, keep distance of at least 2 metres while meeting people, says UP CM Yogi Adityanath

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@kishalay

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@JagratiShukla29 you should be arrested asap @Karnatakapolice

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@kishalay

4 years

@Ram_Guha they did that once before right to your column?

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5 years

Good grief Look hard The men Are all Heading To war Good lord Look hard The soldiers Are all Going To war So many So many In hundreds In thousands...

‘Why are you fighting this war?’: Satyajit Ray’s famous anti-war song from ‘Goopy Gyne Bagha Byne’

‘For whom then are you fighting this war?’

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@kishalay

5 years

#NRCassam will not trend here because who cares about anyone turning stateless as long as you are not one of them right?

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@kishalay

4 years

3376 villages flooded in #Assam affecting 35 lakh people, 7 dead, hundreds of animals gone I have never ever seen #floods trend on @TwitterIndia it shows that these platforms are fundamentally flawed & young journalists should be aware of this

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#Nagaland never had a woman MLA, just1 woman MP in 1977, it has 76.69% women literacy but no rights #busting #myths abt women and NE

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We are launching a new research report on the Indian Creative Industries, Wed 22 Feb, in Delhi. If this interests you please drop me a line with your email and I shall get back. #creativeindustries @UKRI_India @BritishCouncil @lborolondon @UofGlasgow @jsjc_jgu @JindalGlobalUNI

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@MamataOfficial @derekobrienmp @MahuaMoitra Check this out ... @myogiadityanath uses Calcutta images for a 35lakh(thats the going price) front page ad across newspapers for showing UP! at least you could have pointed this out @IndianExpress

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@kishalay

3 years

This time it should be O Ma go!

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@kishalay

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#CitizenshipBill is the smartest #disruption by @BJP4India to polarise and keep the nation busy from real issues like the economy. It will yield nothing except strengthen a regime of fear and impunity. Yes must start Civildisobedience @harsh_mander @_sabanaqvi @NidhiKNDTV

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4 years

How did these people even make it where they are? I know a lot of my friends and colleagues promoted them. I hope they are embarassed. @ndtv @BDUTT @sardesairajdeep @SreenivasanJain

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I am getting quite addicted to a Indian TV. Fox News is so tame...

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I hope you will read it even if you don’t buy it

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#Books | @kishalay ’s book has to be read twice, first as an act of memory, and second as a narrative of populist politics. Review by @ShivVisvanathan . @OrientBlackSwan

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@Nosferitu both and just the general mood...election in this country is like a festival and the preparations are huge like setting up a polling booth in a border village with for just one voter! No colour stories (as we call them) I see only stories of hate

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5 years

@governorswaraj Save your face and delete all the rubbish that you tweeted..the millennials are laughing at you boomer! Besides you held a constitutional office don't make unconstitutional remarks. Be 'grateful' to the country that gave you that privilege.

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4 years

@Ram_Guha Has @HT_Ed explained? Will you continue writing for them?

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9 years

Ashamed to know that once @ashutosh83B & @AashishKhetan were from my tribe.Not only are they a shame to journalism but also pathetic actors

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4 years

@suchitrav @saliltripathi yes..because his last tweet mentioned Dec 6, 1992 ! @Twitter is such a fraud ..I feel awful that we all use this platform

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@Kasherhoor ...maybe we declare the winner the save the taxpayer's money

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1 year

#Kuki_Zo soldiers in Netaji’s Imphal Offensive. The Japan gal la (songs of Japanese war) are still sung by Kuki-Zo people.

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Not plugging my book,you needn’t buy/read it but just reminding you that this is an old blood sport by the Indian state a blot on ‘democracy’ but no leaders in Dly will sit on a dharna against #AFSPA Blood on My Hands: Confessions of Staged Encounters

Blood on My Hands: Confessions of Staged Encounters

This anonymous confession by an army officer splits wide open the anatomy of staged encounters in India's northeast and explains how awards and citations are linked to a body count. Speaking to...

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I am looking for RESEARCH ASSOCIATES for Creative Industries.Funded by UKRI & the British Council.The RAs will form part of a small team undertaking the research in the UK & in India led by @lborolondon in collab with @JindalGlobalUNI @UofGlasgow & @ShivNadarUniv

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3 years

Police picking up Rohingya families in Dly this morning ..tried reaching out to Dly journalists ..the disinterest in media around Rohingyas is alarming please help if you can @PARInetwork @saliltripathi @GhoshAmitav @rohingyablogger @tajmahalfoxtrot #Rohingyas

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@kishalay

3 years

If this is a verified video then this is one of the modus operandi for #fakeencounters that I call #stagedencounters

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3 years

Indian Army vehicles at the crime place #OtingVillage bearing three different numberplates 👇 @MyGovNagaland

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@kishalay

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@DanHusain @AliAkbarNatiq @hsuthar @PrithviTheatre @TheHoshrubaRep @bookmyshow @vrajeshhirjee @iamNavedAslam @Qissebaazi @lakhnauaa @poetry_hoshruba @AadyamOfficial @actsofjoy @obieawards @manishalakhe @kapoorkkunal @kunalrkapoor @Ashok_Kashmir @sanjayuvacha @ajaxsingh @dekkani @microMAF @mkhanpasha @Dipannitasharma @IndianExpress Was reading this now!

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JOB OPENINGS: If you know anyone who can teach Direction, Cinematography, Sound, Editing, Animation and Gaming for a new Film & New Media UG programme please write to me at kbhattacharjee @jgu .edu.in

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We are hiring at @jsjc_jgu @JindalGlobalUNI please apply to the given email ID

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@kishalay

1 year

Daughter's first ticketed performance in Mumbai. A play on the Burari deaths. Go and watch if you can

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@kishalay

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"I tell you about children throwing rocks at Israeli tanks/ seconds before becoming daisies...." @MyNrhindi reading this on loop

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#SavetheDate Edition VI of #RiverDialogues #rightsoftheriver @IIC_Delhi join @SumanaSiliguri @theidlethinker @particle_random @Shalininess @ShivVisvanathan #anjalicapila & I on March 3 at 3:30p.m. Thanks to @parasherb @AshimaS4 @AanchalPoddar13 @TeteiiT

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Jindal School of Journalism and Communication #JSJC salutes the kind of journalism Danish believed in. I hope our students continue his unfinished business of telling compelling visual stories.

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A Reuters photographer since 2010, Danish Siddiqui covered the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Rohingya refugees crisis, the Hong Kong protests and Nepal earthquakes. Here is a selection of some of the Pulitzer Prize-winning photographer's best work

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In #Tripura @BJP4India has demolished statues of Marx & Lenin, threatened the press club to dissolve committees..widespread violence reprtd

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4 months

@RajeshB18566468 You are absolutely right ! I was being optimistic ....we can't give up all hope

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@kishalay

5 years

So here's the impact of revocation of #art370 . In the block development council polls boycotted by local parties, independent candidates defeated the #BJP in 271 of 307 seats #JammuAndKashmir @narendramodi

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After a month of lockdown it is clear that Indian media doesn't have crisis managers and whether legacy media or aggregators, news has only confused readers and failed utterly to ask the right questions. After the initial migrant walk there is no ground reportage

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Why is only #delhi #pollution being reported? Haryana where I live is enveloped in a smoke blanket. Saw guards at the gate with masks. #dystopia AQI Sonipat is 469 #hazardous Punjab and Haryana have recorded an increase of at least 2,400 farm fires

"NASA Images Show Spurt In Crop Burning In Punjab, Haryana": Delhi

As the air quality in Delhi entered the second-worst severe category on Tuesday, Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal appealed "with folded hands" to Punjab and Haryana to take concrete steps against...

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Strangely the most critical issues/subjects here are often met with radio silence...I am still hoping someone jumps in and gives me some leads on the first batch of detainees at the Matia detention camp #Assampolice #ASSAM

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correct me if I am wrong but my sense is that Assam protests have isolated themselves by making it only against CAA and not CAA-NRC. Nationwide the mood & sentiment are different & Assam should have voiced the same opposition after having led it in a sense

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4 years

To begin this year and further my research thanks @AudreyTruschke and @PenguinIndia

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“Assam is Modi’s grand laboratory, where he is putting Muslims to the litmus test of a citizen verification drive—separating the trueborn from the chaff—before taking it national.” says @Planet_Deb

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3 years

A very imp piece by @narayani_basu that deserves a long read about Lokur’s ‘damning indictment’ (and @IndianExpress this is not Ideas Page material pls carry full report or snippets right at the top)

The Election Commission of India was built on public trust

Amid recent questions about the ECI’s autonomy, a look at how the body has steered India’s electoral history.

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3 years

who is this person with camera? eviction drives in Assam have almost always ended up in violence...once they even used elephants and who are the people they are evicting? obviously ..

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4 years

#khusbhuBJP claims that the Manusmriti has “not a single word that demeans women.” Ha! @kavita_krishnan

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@kishalay

3 years

My 3rd #bamboo plant in 3 years and if I fail to keep this alive I may have a massive fall out with plants

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1 year

While I am posting my new book #WhereTheMadnessLies I cannot abandon the previous ones that are also available(saw atleast 3 of them..one may be out of print) at the World Book Fair(very badly managed) @OrientBlackSwan @HarperCollinsIN @PanMacIndia (why aren’t you selling?)

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It has been a fortnight since the book was released.I wanted to thank each and every person in the audience & panel who spared their time to join the conversation. I hope you read the book & act on its content (not just react). Time for memes & tweets are over @OrientBlackSwan

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Every Indian my gen or earlier knew Milkha Singh’s bio not from the Farhan film but Sportsweek, Sportsstar etc. Info was slowcooked and absorbed better.

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1 year

I will try to reach out individually but just a heads up that if you are in Dly would you like to join a discussion on my latest book that explores the themes of identity,citizenship & nationality ..lets meet at 6pm in the Multipurpose Hall of IIC March 25th ..its a Sat!

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Who are the new voices you want to hear on #Identity , #Citizenship and #Nationality ? I was thinking of a discussion around my latest book and I need your suggestions #WhereTheMadnessLies

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If I am not mistaken I saw Ashok Chakra Major D. Sreeram Kumar in the parade today..may I inform you that he was awarded for leading a fake #encounter in Manipur but #afspa let him off @adgpi @rajnathsingh

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I won't give up tweeting about the 'lightning' death of 18 #elephants in Assam that has been woefully reported. Meanwhile, to know more about elephants & other wildlife read @nehaa_sinha 's book that reveals the magic of the wild in our daily lives.

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A senior official & a whistle blower of Indian Museum is missing for a month after he exposes scams and irregularities.Are we reporting it?

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2 years

Hanging my head in shame for what journalism has come to be and to think of every sector, every profession, a majority of the planet swinging wildly on hate, disinformation, prejudice etc. Was the human race always like this?

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HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN CHURCHILL ENGINEERING THE BENGAL FAMINE?

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What a pass when the voter must choose between nothing and nought yet the day will be remembered as Modi's loss of face

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3 years

In many ways, the #WestBengalElection result is Narendra Modi’s personal failure after he launched the most virulent attack in #Bengal , addressing over 40 rallies: a symbolic conquest for the Hindu Right in their aspirational Akhand Bharat. ✍️ @kishalay

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Five yrs after I wrote my book on #stagedencounters I can't say I am happy to read a new review by @GowharGeelani on the first day on 2021 because state violence continues with frightening regularity but do read #impunity @suchitrav @harsh_mander @hrw

Busting the Bullet

A wailing relative of one of the three killed youth pleads before cops outside PCR Srinagar| Photo Courtesy: Syed

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why doesn't Tripura interest you? @ndtv @IndiaToday @IndiaAheadNews @IndianExpress @timesofindia @htTweets

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Burning the shop's of muslims in, Rowa, Panisagar,North Tripura. when rally organised by Vishwahindu parisad,RSS,Hindu yuva vahini passes through in Muslims area. @writesalman @Samriddhi0809 @MuslimSpaces @asadowaisi

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@Kshitij070 We have had long election schedules..yes it is the worst phase of summer so very hard but I think the excitement is gone because there is no contest

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"One of the outstanding monographs on politics in the last decade, it needs to be debated and welcomed by the addas of civil society to create a new gossip for democracy." @ShivVisvanathan is generous but I urge you to read it.

Book Review: ‘Where the Madness Lies’ by Kishalay Bhattacharjee explores the lives of marginals,...

Kishalay Bhattacharjee’s new book ‘Where the Madness Lies’ examines the contextual insanity of citizenship, exploring the fate of marginals, migrants, and the nation state.

frontline.thehindu.com

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#GauriLankesh the journalist shot dead in her home.7 bullets. She had translated my book BloodOnMHands

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Excited to have @PSainath_org speak to our #journalism students @JindalGlobalUNI on A Critical Look at #Reporting during Covid-19. It is not open to all but we hope to record and share. Thanks @_sabanaqvi and students please follow @PARInetwork

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#DipaKarmakar used to stack up used karate mats to practice and for this and all the other odds she is the biggest winner at #Rio2016

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My uncle a filmmaker and actor receives the National Film Award for Best Narration. I owe him a huge debt in how he shaped my visual imagination

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rape as the weapon of mass destruction courtesy Savarkar the proposed candidate for bharat ratna

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Savarkar went to the extent of justifying rape to defeat the enemy – the Christians and the Muslims.

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Earlier armed 'UG' groups ruled the state now replaced by armed 'OG' groups now...even Shah won't dare to touch them and the jagatguru of course has to save the planet so he is least bothered

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#Manipur : Tension erupted in Manipur capital #Imphal after #Meitei Leepun chief Pramot Singh opened fire in public over a land dispute. #ManipurViolence

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India has border issues/disputes with almost all neighbouring countries and several of the interstate borders are witness to decades of violent disputes. Six reported dead in Assam Mizoram border. That is why we teach #ReportingTheBorder at #JSJC @JindalGlobalUNI

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Wanted to see what newspapers pick up from #CJI on #NRC .Disappointed to see they didn’t read how he stoked emotion playing to gallery

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For a #journalist there is probably nothing more consuming than studying #elections . On Sat 3rd March joining #Elections2018 with @sardesairajdeep on @IndiaToday TV live from 8 a.m.

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What a delight to see our students and faculty sit through 2 screenings and a discussion with Ritu Sarin and @zing10 of @DIFFindia at @jsjc_jgu @JindalGlobalUNI in Sonipat on Cinema of Resistance

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If you are visit the #WorldBookFair stop by Stall No. 356-61 @OrientBlackSwan please turn the pages of #WhereTheMadnessLies that foregrounds the perspectives of ordinary, often marginalised Indians and their everyday negotiations to carve out a place in their own country

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kishalay b

@kishalay

3 years

@sharmasupriya 100+ dams on Teesta and a decade old relay hunger strike unreported in Sikkim and another 100+ in Arunachal and again protests for years that doesn’t reach us or halt us like Singhu. Indians have been protesting everywhere forever

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kishalay b

@kishalay

5 years

After liberating a nation I don't know how that nationality turned into a slur within this nation. In the hierarchy of slurs Bangladeshi is right at the top.

Gargi Rawat

@GargiRawat

5 years

Now identifying people by their food?! BJP leader says labourers were eating strange flattened rice , could be Bangladeshi 🤦🏽‍♀️ #CAA_NRC

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kishalay b

@kishalay

3 years

@Smita_Sharma @UKinIndia @FCDOGovUK @HCI_London @sajidjavid @mukhia_ji @IndiaAheadNews @Rudra_81 @Nidhi @AlexWEllis perhaps you may be able to help. I understand the pressures but I submitted my biometrics on Nov 18th and not a word on my visa whereas your information sites say maximum 2 months. I also need the passport for other purposes. Will appreciate your help @UKinIndia

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kishalay b

@kishalay

2 years

@VidyaKrishnan congratulations its a fine book… its moving well am told across airports ..

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kishalay b

@kishalay

2 years

I have spent a lifetime informing people(not with great success) the remarkable contribution of Manipur to modern India

Saikhom Mirabai Chanu

@mirabai_chanu

2 years

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kishalay b

@kishalay

3 years

During the second wave I unfollowed most of the toxic and hyper accounts and now my timeline is overflowing with #birdphotography I need to diversify!

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kishalay b

@kishalay

4 years

Catastrophic news but still no cause determined. Have reported on numerous elephant deaths allegedly poisoned but investigation left inconclusive. This seems too big to cover up. Any leads?

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kishalay b

@kishalay

1 year

After a long time and rather reluctantly I watched a number of 'anchors' following the #ManipurVideo leak and like a predictable script I find them condemning the state govt., the CM but paying tributes to the PM. It is an easy script that many from my tribe have embraced.

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kishalay b

@kishalay

5 years

Familiar faces who haven't really offered their apologies yet

The Caravan

@thecaravanindia

5 years

In a 2014 piece titled “Secularism or growth? The choice is yours,” Gurcharan Das wrote that “there is a clear risk in voting for Modi—he is polarizing, sectarian and authoritarian.” But, he reasoned, the greater risk was in not voting for him. From May:

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kishalay b

@kishalay

3 years

A vast majority of thinking humans don't end up writing because they either don't feel the need or they are not part of the cabal or they don't care about jargons that are required to prove your academic 'mettle' or journalistic 'flair'. The brightest of minds are never heard

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