@JamesTurner37
I’m told James, that a lady’s stocking, worn as a complete head covering, is also 100% effective against transmitting the virus. Excitingly, once removed, it apparently also takes with it any gunshot residue.
He, or Jo Swinson, could have called in Second Sight. One hour would have been more than enough to open their eyes. Instead, they both swallowed the nonsense generated by POL and Fujitsu. Laziness maybe? Naïveté perhaps? Or the desire to maintain plausible deniability?
“I wish I’d done more”
Former Postal Affairs Minister
@EdwardJDavey
reflects on the Post Office scandal, suggesting the coalition government didn’t do enough to prevent the wrongful convictions of sub-postmasters.
#Peston
Windrush; Factor 8; Grenfell; and The Post Office all involved huge mistakes made by people who we trusted (and paid) to do their jobs competently. Those mistakes proved to be life-changing/life-ending for the victims. People are asking whether all of them also involved cover-ups
Well said Tom. You’re doing us all an immense favour by so valiantly, eloquently and calmly fighting all this alarmist anti-‘carbon’ (they can’t even use the right term!) claptrap.
Well done Karl for finding that, keeping it… and now publishing it. Alan was spot on from Day Zero. But without Computer Weekly and then Private Eye and Accountancy Age running with the story, he’d have got nowhere. Something to be proud of!
Great questions, deftly delivered, by Julian Lewis, Karl Turner, Chi Onwurah and so many other MPs. I’m afraid Scully was once again stuttering, puffing, out of his depth and most obviously parroting a script that he’s been fed by his civil servants that was fed to them by POL.
I am honoured to be taking on ministerial responsibility for Postal Affairs. My number one priority in this area will be to ensure we deliver compensation fairly and quickly to postmasters impacted by the Horizon scandal. Time to get stuck into the red box (es).
@nickwallis
You have to hand it to Private Eye... it’s chock full of beautifully crafted, hard-hitting, ballsy material. And here’s an example of that. I wonder whether anyone who’s ever served in BEIS ever reads it. It seems unlikely that Vince Cable or Jo Swinson ever did.
Scandal-plagued Post Office still manages to pay bosses huge bonuses - with help from pay consultants PwC, who also do its audits. Cosy!
Chance to read online...
Private Eye In The Back: Bonus balls via
@privateeyenews
“Lessons have been learned” is such a facile expression. It has no worth unless IRREVERSIBLE CHANGES have been made. In POL’s case, 2nd Sight could - right now - list scores of lessons that have not yet led to irreversible changes. Each ‘lesson’ needs associated ACTION STEPS...
It was a privilege to be there today to hear - and to see - these MPs so passionately expressing their disgust at what has been going on and their deeply held suspicions that talk about “past mistakes”, “treating matters seriously” and “lessons learned” is meaningless twaddle.
Yes indeed. Mr Beer started off well but he’s getting better and better. Consistently delivering extraordinarily impressive performances - and every one carried out without any grandstanding or self indulgent displays of the superior intellect that sits beneath the cool exterior.
@Jusmasel2015
Yes I agree Mr Beer was brilliant today. I would advise anyone with a bit of time to spare to watch the YouTube coverage of the dismantling of a witness.
@ABridgen
And everyone needs to know that Andrew was virtually alone, among MPs, in predicting that Post Office would, if it was paying the investigators’ bills, try to force them to do their bidding. He was dead right.
Thanks Janet. It probably was Second Sight at its best. Ian and I have carried out thousands of investigations over the decades… but none more important than this one. And dealing with you was a privilege from Day Zero.
"And now the NFSP comes crawling towards the moral high ground like some sort of rotting, zombified Uriah Heep, wringing its hands and bleating that it has been wronged.”
My take on the Subpostmasters “voice”:
#postofficetrial
@nickwallis
#postofficetrial
Hard to put into words just how good this mini-series is. The suggestion, by Baron Arbuthnot of clearing the board and replacing it with ‘Second Sight’ “who know where the bodies are buried” is an interesting thought...?
Only twenty two minutes to go before we find out whether Post Office has been given permission to appeal against the judgement laid down in the first trial. And then, soon, we should get hear what Fraser J has to say about Horizon.
It would have been helpful if Lord Callanan’s answer to Lord Arbuthnot’s question had truly answered it. Are we to believe that the HSS is to be re-opened, to allow those among the 555, who were prosecuted but found not guilty, to be properly compensated. It’s as clear as mud.
Lord Arbuthnot raised the Post Office Horizon scandal in parliament once more today:
The responding minster said a number of things, not least that he didn’t know if Fujitsu had any current government contracts.
#PostOfficeScandal
Reader, it does...
Yes Peter… Heather’s Witness Statement includes one of the most important revelations so far (about the payouts that were CREDITED to the customer’s account). This HAS to be validated (or convincingly refuted) by Post Office. If true, it may well have been exploited by others.
To re-use an old expression: “This is the longest resignation speech in history”. Poor chap is committing career suicide. Why doesn’t he acknowledge that only a Judge-led enquiry has the POWER to expose the truth being hidden by the liars?
I just watched Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, Chief of the Defence Staff, on the BBC. What a clear-thinking, straight-talking, titan. How lucky we are to have such military leadership.
JRM is a man of his word and one whose words carry great weight. This wasn’t the usual superficial, insensitive, dismissive, unapologetic claptrap we’ve got so used to hearing from BEIS through the years.
Really significant, this. Jacob Rees Mogg tells
@lucyallan
that
@FelsteadTracy
, hundreds of claimants and others "ought to be compensated fairly" and agrees it needs a proper debate.
Well said Tim. Nick's summaries have been exceptionally eloquent and easy to follow. He's distilled colossal volumes of material into punchy, hard-hitting commentary that very few others could match. Well done Nick!!! And THANKS!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 a round of applause to
@nickwallis
incredible reporting and worth every penny. He now needs more obviously to cover these new trials so dip into the Xmas bonus and shove a penny in his tin ... 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
In other words, if Horizon really is a double-entry bookkeeping system, as always asserted, where’s the other side of the entry when an incoming cash or stock remittance (from POL) has been processed more than once? The ‘invented’ money has gone somewhere. No prizes for guessing.
I don’t know John... I’ve met a fair few KGB chappies... had one (ex KGB) in my team once. They can be damn fine company. I learned the hard way not to pick up the drinks bill though!
I wonder whether he’ll respond. Unsurprisingly, we’ve never been called back (or sent back by Government) to examine the entries that washed through those Suspense Accounts. And I wonder which investigators will examine the new cases. Their existing ones? Good luck with that!
In a sense it was WORSE than that. Employees of Fujitsu (and I think of POL) were routinely altering branch accounts BUT THEY KEPT NO RECORD OF THOSE INTERVENTIONS!!! It follows that they could not (legitimately) assert that SPMs were responsible for their branch’s accounts.
So a) there WAS remote access and accounting records could be and were manipulated, and b) since everything is logged the
@PostOffice
had the evidence to exonerate the sub-postmasters they prosecuted but didn't allow them access to these records
@EdwardJDavey
Two observations on this: 1. Tim is a highly capable and experienced software designer/programmer. In short, he knows what he’s talking about. 2. When those Horizon-generated/‘invented’ shortfalls are made good, where does the repaid money go?
The board resigning, selling their homes, and living in poverty would hardly compensate the postmasters who were falsely accused, ruined, and in some cases jailed for crimes they didn’t commit. Instead the board appoints one postmaster as a non-executive director. Accountability?
It’s off to a cracking start Bob. Well done you and Nick and all at Whistledown. And the sound was great too. I particularly liked the mix, at the end, where everyone was saying “but you’re the only one”. That was classy stuff.
@JimSpenceDundee
At last my article is out. The righteous anger has been pruned by the lawyers and sub-editors, but I hope my professional scorn and fury can still be discerned.
The Post Office IT scandal – why IT audit is essential for effective corporate governance.
There’s some new insights in these Guardian podcasts so they’re well worth listening to. Richard Brooks, as always, hits the bullseye with every calmly delivered shot.
Ian and I are bound, in perpetuity, to confidentiality as to our findings on the 150 individual cases that we investigated. Many of those reports are now in the public domain as SPMs/Claimants release them. Once released, we can talk about them. But the short answer is YES.
Yep. We said, when we issued our Interim and Final Reports, as well as the hundreds of reports that we wrote on the Mediation Scheme cases, that if ever we discovered that we’d got anything wrong, we would release corrections. We never needed to change a single word.
I wonder whether Post Office’s legal dept DECIDED not to turn up at the County Court to face Lee Castleton... KNOWING that, by losing, they could then appeal in the certain knowledge that it would go to the High Court where their deep (bottomless?) pockets would allow its QCs...
Just wanted to give a massive shout out to the incredible
@nickwallis
for his R4 coverage of the Post Office trial. He has been peerless in this coverage and deserves every accolade
Yup. You’re right Karl. It’s not a party political matter. That said, I have noted many Labour Party MPs, including your good self, who’ve shown commendable courage, leadership, integrity and outrage at what’s been going on. This will never be forgotten.
Yet another SPM asserting the same “nobody else is having these problems” remarks made by the help desk. The key question here is: did the help desk person really think that was true (how could that be?) or had he/she been instructed to hold that line, knowing it to be untrue?
If the net amounts credited to its P&L account were not “insignificant”, and they comprised individual items, the true owners of which POL had failed to identify, then how can it be confident to declare that the portion that it should have repaid to its SPMs were insignificant?
#postofficescandal
POL have now declared they may have held ‘insignificant’ amounts of money back from subpostmasters when detecting errors in accounts. From when , how insignificant, what if operators have left , what did they think they could do with it ?
#corporatemalfeasance
Isn’t it reassuring to find that so many of our MPs, like Lucy, have such a great sense of what is right and wrong and are actually campaigning to Get Justice Done.
@lucyallan
Claw back should be used but action must be made on convictions being cleared & to ensure full compensation is given as those outside the litigation are already making progress with 2 large settlements been made...totally unacceptable. The claimants expose the truth..others gain!
@WarmingtonRjw
@Jusmasel2015
‘Bugs’ and other four-letter words:
Back in 2013 we noticed that we could find no references to ‘bugs’ in any of the documents we received from POL. It seemed to be a banned word and we challenged POL on that. It’s rewarding to see that Judge Fraser has commented on this too.
Thanks so much Leaf! Maybe you should buy your Dad a cape this Christmas. He really is one of the true heroes of this story… and the principal hero of the Chinook one! James V would be delighted if he’d foreseen the achievements of his descendants.
The brilliant
@nickwallis
’s book on the post office is out this week in paperback. Here are two heroes of the saga— their forensic accounting firm refused to buckle under immense pressure to cover up the scandal. Not all heroes wear capes!
@james_christie
@Jusmasel2015
@CastletonLee
You’re dead right again James. Fraser was (is), by a country mile, the best judge I’ve ever encountered. There are plenty of lesser men and women out there who wouldn’t have had the intellect, or the appetite for hard work (or both), to have dealt with this. Maybe that was luck.
New "Investigating the Post Office Scandal" podcast. A valedtictory interview with long-serving Postmaster and CWU postmasters' rep Mark Baker, who has just announced his retirement.
Also on Spotify and Apple Music.
#PostOfficeScandal
Can she REALLY believe that the problems have now been “RESOLVED”? Or has she simply trotted out yet another crassly worded announcement crafted (‘crafted’???) by POL’s hopelessly inept Comms Team. This is, for sure, a future MBA Case Study (‘How Companies Trashed their Brands’).
Yep… and she came at us, in Portcullis House, like a lioness protecting her cubs! Kay (and Alan) clearly suspected we were either incompetent or minded to fabricate a clean bill of health… or maybe both… and they made no effort to politely hide their suspicions!
@ArchNichola
@forensicgod
@WarmingtonRjw
I was so suspicious of them in the beginning I set Kay on them . Look what heroes they've turned out to be .Thanks Ron and Ian 👏👏
Heroes
@Karlfl
@ComputerWeekly
Richard Roll’s remarks (about small individual contractual penalties that, multiplied up, being likely to generate multi million pound figures) point to the possibility that the number of interventions by Fujitsu could be easily estimated. It’d be a lot.
... they can be drawn from reports already in hand, and from the trial judgements. BUT... there are some serious flaws that remain as yet undisclosed... and so they’ll remain until forcibly exposed. That’s why a superficial, toothless, ‘Review’ would be a waste of time and money.
Aha... at last this is getting the attention it has for over a decade deserved. Thanks James (now Lord) Arbuthnot and Andrew Bridgen MP for hiring Second Sight to seek the truth.
@nickwallis
Yet another case where the ‘air gap’ between figures reported by Bank of Ireland get out of sync with those input into Horizon by the Subpostmaster. It’s also another example of Post Office effecting life-changing actions without ever establishing the root causes of shortfalls.
1 of 2. In no cases were the CPS involved. The Post Office brought those hundreds of prosecutions as ‘Private Prosecutions’. They said they were applying the same tests, with the same diligence and following the same Rule Book (the Code for Crown Prosecutors) as the CPS.
@kelvmackenzie
Prosecutions could not have proceeded without input of CPS, led by Sir Keir Starmer, at the time. What steps did CPS take to test the evidence before this shamefull prosecution?
Razor sharp and correct in every way Tony. What form of political suicide pact have Scully, Chalk and Sharma entered into for goodness sake? Perhaps someone in Whitehall has a hold over them.
@GouldsBlog
High integrity organisations devote skilled resources to thoroughly investigate amounts, held in Suspense Accounts, that they’d otherwise write back into their own profits. It’s a great way of benefitting from bad behaviour if amounts remain uninvestigated and then trousered.
Yep. Davey was asleep at the wheel when the situation demanded an alert skipper who was smart enough to see that his ship was heading for the rocks. Instead, he was led by the nose by civil servants and by others and has never earned the right to criticise anybody else... ever.
You were at the helm at the time of the UK’s biggest ever scandal & miscarriage of justice with
#postofficetrial
I do not think you are really in a position to judge or question others. Speak out about
@PostOffice
& why you did nothing then maybe you can call others
#hypocrite
Jon... you just said exactly what I was about to tweet! Therium, having funded the Claimants, will extract (indeed it deserves) a HUGE payout. So whoever came up with the £100 million figure must be smoking something pretty strong. And then there’s the necessary re-construction.
@Jusmasel2015
@AndrewMarr9
Some more than that..... Thank you Tim.
@jeremycorbyn
is willing to delve into the Government reserves for £60 billion WASPI scandal. £1 billion+ to sort this SCANDAL out should have been done years ago. Any thoughts
@BorisJohnson
??
@lucyallan
This outcome - which we predicted, way back in 2015, would happen absent a sea change in attitude and behaviour - will be, or certainly ought to be, a Business School Case Study.:“How to destroy a Brand, and trash a Business Model, while trying to... err... protect the brand”.
I concur Jeff. CCRC referrals to the Court of Appeal... and the latter quashing the convictions... is the Gold Standard. It’s the sheer magnitude of all the separate Hearings that’s so daunting.
@RonRwarming
A royal pardon implies that there was originally an illegal act. The CCRC has the ability to recommend quashing which (I believe) is legally a higher threshold
Most didn’t go before a jury because their defence barristers advised that pleading Not Guilty and provoking a jury trial would run the risk of a custodial sentence. Many who courageously took that risk - like Nicki Arch - were unanimously cleared by the jury.
@Mrs_Metters
@RevRichardColes
And I ask myself, how did a jury convict these people, in the face of no evidence? The prosecution couldn't find where the money had gone, no repaid debts, no money sent abroad, no cash hidden under the mattress. Huge reasonable doubt. How did they get convicted?
This is fantastic news 64% of sub postmaster cases are referred to Court of Appeal - the
@PostOffice
had extraordinarily claimed ‘few if any,’ would be referred. Getting closer to justice thanks to so many brilliant campaigners.
Am I being too suspicious or too eager but the replay of the morning focus group session from Friday has been uploaded to utube but the afternoon session hasn't.
The session where things were said that some people wished they weren't hasn't appeared wonder why?
2/2 Despite not being convicted, she was prosecuted and had the right to claim for malicious prosecution, so he thinks she should also have the right to receive compensation, including an interim payment like those who have had their convictions quashed.
Any legal minds agree?
That’s correct. We were mystified as to why the Chairman seemingly ignored what we’d so forcefully stated in that December 2015 meeting. And we were never called in to see any civil servant or Minister. Had they preferred to be able to say they’d accepted POL’s rebuttals?
I suspect Mr Warmington (
@RonRwarming
) had no idea the meeting was part of a wider review into wtf was going on. As fair as I’m aware he was not informed of its conclusion. Nor were any of us, until now.
You are both dead right. What an outrageous observation they’ve made. It infers that the most challenging decision, made by the civil servant attending each Board Meeting, was whether to choose the chocolate Digestives or the plain ones! Bloody pathetic!!!
@CWUPostmaster
Totally agree. 2013 POL Board Terms of Reference invoke ‘collective responsibility’ & make no differentiation for Departmental member. BEIS’s ‘passive’ approach was its own choosing.
Don’t apologise for getting angry Karl. When I was dealing with organised criminals I sometimes had to fake anger when in reality I was amused. With this case I find myself sometimes faking amusement to hide the anger. You were GREAT on the Burnsie show.
@Janetsk20073533
You did brilliantly. Very calm. Goodness knows how given what you went through at the hands of Post Office Ltd. I am afraid i struggle not to get angry when I speak about this scandal. I’m glad this is now getting the media attention it deserves.
#HorizonScandal
#PostOfficeTrial
We are bound by confidentiality undertakings but can comment on anything that is in the public domain - which is now a lot of material. But Post Office insisted that we destroy all documents gathered during our investigation. Uniquely, we were NEVER invited to address the Board.
@1966MJG
@RonRwarming
@paullewismoney
Was there any channel, back then, through which you were able to voice concerns? Did you consider expressing them subsequently throughout the course of this scandal or were you bound by confidentiality? Did colleagues have similar observations?
@Karlfl
@ComputerWeekly
I’m not surprised that BEIS is trying to distance itself. It has a corpse in an upstairs wardrobe and the stink will only get worse until they take courageous and positive action. Andrea Ledsom is a decisive and honourable Minister so this is one for her, not some junior lackey.
There’s been a tidal wave of responses to this story. It’s about a disproportionate - and hugely expensive attempt to recover an apparent (but mysterious as to its cause) shortfall from a man who they knew couldn’t pay it back even if they won. Was it just a warning to others?
It has come to something for Mr Justice Fraser to have referred the matter to DPP
@MaxHillQC
for his consideration on prosecutions. We now know senior officials within
@PostOffice
and
@fujitsu_uk
apparently misled civil servants and Ministers and perhaps the courts from outset.
Chris is within 200 signatures of his 5,000 target. I’m still resisting the temptation to sign with some of my other email addresses because I won’t undermine the integrity of the final number. But I am calling on my mates to sign and to onward tweet to others.
Yes, a superb evening. And Justice Fraser’s thoughts on what could have been a rather dry subject (the conduct of Expert Witnesses) were shared with us in an eloquently humorous way.
Yes... you’ve found a most deserving cause to examine, Richard. You’ll not regret supporting these victims of evil corporate behaviour. It’s good to have a right-minded person with a high public profile showing an interest.
Yes, it’s seems to be a quite extraordinary COI. He does SEEM to be showing some teeth but there’ll be a sh1tstorm if he’s merely pretending and the outcome turns out to be as Denis Healey described a 1978 attack from Geoffrey Howe: “like being savaged by a dead sheep"!
2 of 2. The Courts (and the now famous ‘Clarke Advice’) found that they weren’t. Fortunately, the risk of improper/unfair process, where the Prosecutor is also the Victim (and therefore motivated to recover its money)
... and also the Investigator, is now recognised.
1 of 2... If POL had achieved six sigma operational efficiency (and error and fraud repellency), THAT could then properly be described as a ‘Robust’ Operating Platform. It has achieved nothing remotely approaching that.
#potsofficetrial
#historicalshortfall
POL explain that no claims since 2010 will be accepted because Fraser.J. said that HOL since then has been relatively robust. Don't they understand that relatively robust in comparison to original Horizon is not a compliment?
Hoping all goes well today, with the wind pushing you forward. Do you think some potential contributors, who want the Post Office campaign to hit its target, might be holding back from contributing to your campaign because they fear that a chunk of their pledge may not go to it?
I would never take away from the magnificent job Nick has done but this is all down to one man with the unbelievable tenacity to get us here. Alan Bates. I am calling him Sir Alan from now on - not waiting for the Queen to do her duty - she better get used to it
Yes, Richard... this was tribal, gang or cult behaviour... where anyone threatening the tribe, gang or cult (in this case that being anyone who might undermine ‘The Brand’), even if that person is a member, is viciously and relentlessly attacked.