Lipidologist with over 30 years of clinical experience. Cofounder
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Both insulin resistance (IR) and ApoB are significantly associated with ASCVD risk. Whether one factor adds significant incremental risk information to the other has been the subject of brisk debate.
To address this issue, two fundamental questions must be asked:
1. Are IR and
Substantial LDL cholesterol elevations are well documented among some lean individuals on a low-carb, ketogenic diet.
This “metabolic demonstration” illustrates how robust and rapid LDL reductions can be in an individual experiencing this phenotype when carbohydrates are added
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Several recent posts have asked for references elucidating the relationship between increased saturated fatty acids and dietary cholesterol and decreasing LDL receptor (LDL-R) quantity.
I recommend starting with this review:
Feingold KR. The Effect of Diet on Cardiovascular
Whether statins meaningfully increase Lp(a) has been the topic of spirited discussion.
Last year, de Boer LM et al. published a comprehensive review and meta-analysis of the effect of statins compared to placebo on Lp(a) in the European Journal of Preventive Cardiology.
Their
Depending on the data analysis employed, conflicting data have been reported over the past 30 years regarding the relationship of LDL particle size, particle number, and quantities of small LDL or large LDL particles with various ASCVD outcomes.
The interrelationships of
This short video illustrates how our thinking regarding various drivers of fatal and non-fatal outcomes has matured.
Having Jim Otvos as my research partner for over 25 years has been an honor. Our team has had the unique opportunity to explore the clinical relevance of analytic
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High level: There is controversy over the relationship between ApoB and All-Cause Mortality (ACM), with some noting a J-curve whereby at lower levels of ApoB
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Analytically, the relationship of small LDL with CVD risk is confounded by inter-relationships of particle size and particle number and inter-relationship between small and large LDL particles.
When LDL particle size and LDL particle number are adjusted for one another, only LDL
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@Drlipid
Your statement, "Nothing will permeate through the artery wall unless it's damaged," is incorrect. Please read the references below for a complete discussion of my summary.
1. Tabas I, et al. Circulation 2007;116:1832-44.
2. Borén J, et al. Eur Heart J 2020;41:2313-30.
@dreamer_legal
Thanks for your feedback. The first step in addressing high LDL is seeking to understand. How high is the LDL? How long has high LDL been present? What comorbid factors are contributing to high LDL? Is this likely familial hypercholesterolemia? Does the individual have known
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@realDaveFeldman
Thanks, Dave.
We share a similar desire to understand complex cardiometabolic
issues.
I appreciate your thoughtful approach and care in presenting hypotheses under consideration.
I look forward to continuing the push toward optimal individual health!
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Your statement is correct for LDL-C as an analyte but not LDL as a particle.
Remember, LDL is a particle that can be estimated by LDL-C or measured by apoB.
Given that apoB, but not LDL-C, is significant in this analysis, we should be careful not to conflate LDL with LDL-C.
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For balance, I recommend reading the invited editorial from Allan Sniderman:
"Apolipoprotein B versus non-high-density lipoprotein cholesterol: contradictory results in the same journal" ()
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Tom is absolutely correct.
Here is another graphic that demonstrates the cholesterol content of LDL particles is variable at various triglyceride levels.
Cromwell WC, Otvos JD, et al. J Clin Lipidol 2007;1:583-592.
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@MichaelAlbertMD
I agree, Tom.
Again, the key is exposure over time. The longer individuals are exposed to elevated concentrations of atherogenic lipoproteins, the greater the ASCVD risk. No data demonstrate that TG lowering or HDL-C raising has protective effects versus elevated ApoB.
@DudzLightLime
Thanks for your kind words.
Together, we can help each other tackle the complexities of cardiometabolic risk to optimize individual health!
@Drlipid
Thanks, Tom.
It's been a fantastic journey. I'm glad we've traveled the road together.
I remain inspired by Warren Weaver's quote (1960) as we seek to integrate new learnings to optimize individual care.
"Science is not technology, it is not gadgetry, it is not some mysterious
I really enjoyed the time spent with
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Being a clinical trialist, I can assure you that in a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, all investigators and data analysts are blinded. At every level of the trial, from the clinical trial site to the group analyzing the data, no one is cooking the books.
Triglyceride (TG) associations with vascular risk is a complex topic. Hinges on the individual’s history of triglyceride values, ApoB levels, any co-morbid conditions affecting TG, differential diagnosis of the high TG, and non-invasive imaging information.
Elevated Trigs on LowCarb with coffee. If other Insulin Resistance markers are in good shape, are the Trigs a true risk factor for vascular health? Can you link me to further discussion if any on vasc health in above situations?
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@realDaveFeldman
I truly enjoyed talking with my friend
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If you listened, what did you learn?
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The largest data set related to your question comes from the Heart Protection Study. (1)
This was a 5.3 year-long randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of simvastatin 40 mg versus placebo in 20,536 men and women with one of the following:
1. Previous diagnosis of
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Here is the direct quote from the third reference (Lamarche B, et al. Circulation. 1997;95:69-75.) at the end of the results section:
"Among lipid, lipoprotein, and apolipoprotein variables, apo B came out as the best and only significant predictor of IHD risk in multivariate
Shared decision-making is when you and a medical provider work together to decide the best care plan for your risk.
Cardiometabolic Risk (CMR) is all factors that together impact your risk for heart attack, stroke, and type 2 diabetes.
Stay tuned to see why it’s hard to do.
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Thanks, Gil. That’s an important observation to keep in mind. The largest repository of cholesterol in the body is cell membranes. All nucleated cells can satisfy their cholesterol needs via local synthesis, cell signaling, and homeostatic mechanisms.
@lipo_fan
Both are correct. The number of LDL particles drives LDL entry into the artery wall. The higher the number, the greater the concentration in the artery wall. Retained LDL particles undergo modification and are taken up by macrophages to form foam cells that start atherosclerosis.
@realDaveFeldman
I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation!
We always learn from one another, and I look forward to future conversations. It’s a pleasure to travel the road of discovery alongside you.
By integrating a person's clinical history, over 30 risk-enhancing factors, biometrics, outcome-proven biomarkers, and harmonization with multiple US/International guidelines, PHR provides a patient-specific solution to improve shared decision-making for cardiometabolic risk.
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Thanks, Dave.
We're all in this together.
A framed copy of the quote below was given to me by Dr. Maurice Eftink, my first research mentor, in 1983. It has been in my office ever since and reminds me how blessed I am to do this work.
I look forward to continuing the dialogue.
@nicknorwitz
To my review, this trial didn't show any meaningful change in Lp(a).
Using data from the publication and the supplemental data available online, I constructed the data table below.
Note that:
1.Baseline Lp(a) values were normal (< 30 mg/dL) for all groups before the
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@realDaveFeldman
Thanks for the kind words, Robb!
I hope these discussions motivate folks to use all available information (clinical history, biometrics, biomarkers, risk-enhancing factors) to assess their cardiometabolic health and options for improvement.
@drjkahn
I appreciate your comment.
Regarding the impact of statins on Lp(a), earlier today I posted a link to a comprehensive review and meta-analysis showing statin therapy does not lead to clinically important differences in Lp(a) compared to placebo in patients at risk for
CVD.
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Using GlycA gives a superior understanding of your systemic inflammation.
@SGoldenC
I appreciate that chronic can mean more than one thing. I do not see nutritional ketosis as an illness or a problem. Rather, I use the term “chronic” to indicate something that continues over an extended period of time.
@Drlipid
I agree Tom. That's why the NMR LP-IR score can be helpful.
Beyond identifying the magnitude of insulin resistance, the LP-IR score is significantly, independently predictive of new onset (incident) diabetes mellitus, even after adjustment for glucose, insulin, HOMA-IR, waist
@lipo_fan
This is consistent with data from our laboratory demonstrating the cardioprotective associations of small and medium, but not Large, HDL particle number with cardiometabolic risk.
@drscottyk
Thanks, Scotty.
I concur with one additional thought.
If persistent ApoB elevations occur and the patient has no history of prior high ApoB, CAC or CTA imaging could be helpful to guide the discussion for medical therapy.
@Drlipid
Totally agree. Individual cardiometabolic risk depends on a person’s history, biometrics, biomarkers, and over 30 risk enhancing factors. Knowing all this allows for an informed decision making conversation.
Shared decision-making (SDM) begins by knowing ALL FACTORS that impact your CMR.
Guideline identified CMR factors (modifiable & non-modifiable) include:
Traditional Risk Factors
Insulin Resistance Factors
Risk Enhancing Factors
Biomarkers
Stay tuned as I unpack each one.
@SGoldenC
Thanks for your question. “Chronic” was meant to indicate the long-standing nature of the baseline diet.
In this trial, the subject has been on the low-carb, ketogenic diet described in the methods section for years.
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Graft vascular disease is a different conversation. Repositioning a vein from a low pressure environment to a high pressure system (i.e., CABG) will change it’s physiologic properties in ways that can result in graft vascular disease. The reasons for this are still being studied.
@WillBrink
Thanks, Will.
I appreciate your question.
The study cited in my post adjusted for CRP in all models.
Thus, both HOMA-IR and ApoB were significantly predictive of CAC after adjustment for CRP.
Also, the addition of ApoB to HOMA-IR, as well as the addition of HOMA-IR to ApoB,
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You’re absolutely correct. Atherogenic lipoprotein concentration is causality related to development of ASCVD. The cholesterol cargo of lipoproteins is a deeply flawed analyte of the quantity of those injurious particles. Perhaps we live to see the day when this analytic
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@Drlipid
Proteoglycans are a significant structural element of the arterial wall, especially at branch points and areas of non laminar flow. These proteins are the sites for lipoprotein particle retention. Veins have much less proteoglycan and proteins to bind & retain particles.
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It appears confusing and that the authors are saying two different things. The key is to understand the type of data analysis being conducted.
When handled as categorical variables, small LDL appeared significant. When handled as continuous variables, only ApoB was a significant
@DudzLightLime
I appreciate your question. I understand this relates to the findings of Pechlaner R et al. (J Am Coll Cardiol 2017), which assessed the relationship of 13 apolipoproteins with incident CVD in a cohort of 688 individuals followed prospectively for 10 years.
Among
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@Drlipid
These factors influence transcytosis, but it is also true that the greater the number of circulating particles, the greater the transcytosis. Both concentration and factors affecting transcytosis are important.
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Before unpacking Cardiometabolic Risk (CMR) factors, let's review how guidelines are moving from a population to a precision ("tailored") approach for identifying and managing individual CMR.
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Great question. When outcome associations of alternate measures (particle number versus lipids) are assessed in the setting of discordance, ASCVD risk always tracks with particle number, not lipids. Two authors who speak eloquently about this are Allan Sniderman and James Otvos.
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