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5 months

I am so utterly sick of this entire debate. Never have I seen a more severe case of mass self delusion #Cloti #TifaStrife

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Reminder: there are people in 202-freaking-4 who still don't get that #Clotiiscanon If you ever feel bad about yourself just remember that there are people dumb enough to think that "confirming without words that their feelings match" means a firm handshake. #Cloti #TifaStrife

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5 months

Yes, these people really are this dumb, their comprehensive reading skills are so bad that when they read something like "If only I could be strong like Sephiroth, then even Tifa would have to notice me" they can't even get the order of events right. #Cloti #TifaStrife

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5 months

@ShinraArch I think having an affection system for part 2 was the right call, but I really do hope to god that they remove it for part 3. It has no business there.

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4 months

I saw a version of this on twitter and I saw a missed opportunity, so I improved it #Cloti

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5 months

Yes, lets give Aerith the highwind scene, also, while we're at it lets just have Tifa summon holy lol XD #HighwindCloti

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@SilverWield @0perationZer0 For real, this entire thing is madness and insanity. In all my time on this godforsaken planet I have never run into a single story where there's a plotpoint presented more in your face unambiguously than Tifa and Cloud being madly in love. This is delusion beyond comprehension.

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5 months

@ThePettyK ahhh the cope, sorry Aerith didn't get a kiss love, don't worry, I'm sure she'll get one in part 3....from Zack, but still.

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5 months

@0perationZer0 @Sophi3NT Congrats king, here is your crown.

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5 months

@cactuspitt It's shocking to me that these people can actually look at that scene, and see THAT in it. In this moment Cloud is IN THE PROCESS of deluding himself that he didn't fail to save Aerith, and they think him smiling like a maniac is romantic?.....What is wrong with them?

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5 months

@magelyfe @Tifalovesick And why didn't aerith get a kiss then? Fact is you misunderstood the devs quote, as you misunderstand ffvii

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@DutchDread1

7 months

@Sector_6_ @ShinraArch Spoken like a true shipper, as well as someone who doesn't understand the story.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ShinraArch Basically what we already thought most likely. They're not real worlds, we knew this because Zack and Biggs talk about their sense of time. The alternate worlds act more like dreams than concrete realities. They seem to be manifestations of hopes and dreams and memories.

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5 months

@1unarian_ Tifa and Cloud is more canon that just about any other FF ship. You can ALWAYS come up with dumb crap like "Zidane and Garnet only hugged, we don't know if they went on to date". But peoples inability to accept defeat doesn't mean they're not defeated.

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@DutchDread1

7 months

@ActuallyCloud Christ, you people are demented. Also, way to misrepresent Tifa, dear lord.

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@DutchDread1

6 months

@TifaTheMonk Probably not, they're extremists. The only cleriths left are extremists because you'd have to be an extremist to still deny the blatantly obvious story of the game.

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@DutchDread1

7 months

@ActuallyCloud Yeah, sure, the girl who famously said "Soldier, mako reactors, shinra, I hate them all", and fell in love with Cloud when she realized he was "just a boy", actually just wants a soldier, sure thing, big brain.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

Note: If anyone is actually stupid enough to try and argue with me on this, don't. I am too busy to watch you people trip over yourselves trying to prove this image right. All your "rebuttals", sound exactly like this image, simply by talking you're losing, now grow up.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@aitaikimochi Hope the scene they're talking about is the Zack Aerith reunion. I'd say that so far that is the biggest scene that is missing from the FFVII compilation. Maybe a happily ever after shot of Cloud Tifa and the kids would be nice as well.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@RadiantAntiHero Also, you know, you'd fail, but sure go with the "oh, I would totally destroy you....but I wont because...reasons" argument.

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5 months

@cetrafairy She says in her own words that she likes cloud, but not "like like". Indeed, how is there still a discussion when tifa confirms at age 13 that she like likes cloud and aerith even at the moment of her death either doesn't or isn't sure, and that's zack cloud!! Not even the real 1

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@1unarian_ No it's not, grow up. It's not interpretation, it's you lying to yourself, which I stated in my link, which you apparently didn't read, because you people can't read.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@1unarian_ Yes, thank you for proving me right, the point of Denzel is to give Cloud a chance to atone. Because THAT is his issue in AC, not pining over Aerith. Also, post the NEXT part of the book, where Tifa said Aerith led Denzel "To us".

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@b1sexualpanic Right now they're trying to spin themselves into believing that Cloud talking about simping over Tifa on the water tower is a good moment for Clerith. These people are delusional beyond measure.

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@DutchDread1

3 months

@notfollowe31623 @Subliminant Here is the thing though....you don't understand the OG. The things these "fan-fictions" say was already said in the OG, you just didn't understand it. Even if we indulge the insanity of "stuff written by the writer isn't Canon". That still doesn't change that it explains the OG.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@mrscinnamonbun1 Why would she want a kiss 10 seconds after confirming she doesn't "like like" Cloud? Why do these people never realize that the reason Cloud and Aerith don't kiss is because, SHOCK, they're not like that.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@folklly @Zuko_Reborn haha, sounds like someone is upset their ship didn't get a kiss. But go on, keep spinning the narrative inside your head. It's adorable to watch you people fall over each other fighting for who can bullshit themselves the hardest.

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@DutchDread1

3 months

@SlowDancingWtae @eleectrictouch @ResetButton8 @Azezazel Man doesn't understand basic storytelling, thinks this is somehow an argument in his favor. Just Clerith things.

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@jammybear21 They're morons, always have been, they're the same as the idiots who thought Snape was evil after he killed Dumbledore, if you have even an ounce of story comprehension you understand the point of "set-up". This scene is great for Cloti when you're not mentally challenged.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

I will never understand how so many people just seem to not get this story. All you need to see is Clouds eagerness with Tifa. #Cloti Cloti | Slow Burn II via @YouTube

Cloti | Slow Burn 2

Cheers to Cloud and Tifa, my favorite fictional couple of all time 🥂 And to FFVII Rebirth, my new favorite game! Square Enix keeps surpassing my expectation...

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@1unarian_ There is a canon ship, it's not subtle, and not ambiguous. Tifa being in love with Cloud is canon and has been explicitely stated. Cloud being in love with Tifa is stated. Them physically confirming their feelings match is stated. Them being a family is stated. THEY KISS!

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@folklly It will never not be funny to me to watch you people twist the scene that is probably the biggest proof of Cloti as a romantic couple into an attempt to discredit them. Wow the cope.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ThePettyK @MrsMeeeseeks Hah, you'll have to, and a lot more than 3 years, even more than the 27 that you've already waited.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@1unarian_ Oh yeah, the end of AC, where it's stated that Tifa and the kids are his promised land and that he returns to them, which ends with them taking a day off to spend time together with the kids, yeah, very freaking ambiguous. Not "clear" like Garnet and Zidane having a single hug.

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@LadyPalutena86 @clotiOTP This should be a good one. Pray tell, when is Tifa EVER horrible to Cloud. This should be funny. Show me where Tifa is horrible to Cloud, and I'll show you where YOU didn't understand basic storytelling.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@aerisephs This is hilarious cope. Cleriths these past weeks: CLOTI KISS DOESN'T COUNT, CLERITH DATE CANON! Clotis:...no, none are canon probably, just representative "what ifs". SE: "none of the dates are canon, just representative "what ifs"". Cleriths: HAHAHA CLOTIS!!!! Clotis: wtf?

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4 months

@Invincible_9997 @b1sexualpanic Wow, today in opposite land.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@1unarian_ Also, the kids aren't a "parting gift from Aerith". The point of Denzel is very clearly stated. Cloud is working through survivors guilt and thinks that while he can't bring back the dead he CAN atone by protecting the living. Denzel is his atonement, not some Aerith baby.

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5 months

@1unarian_ This has all the insanity of someone being checkmated, saying "nah ah" and then doing king moves that the king can't do. Just because you continue to play doesn't mean you haven't lost. It is canon, and it's only gotten worse since.

Cloti, a canonical tale.

"That's just your interpretation" I've lost count of the amount of times people have asserted some variation of "SE never confirmed either ship, there is nothing in the Ultimanias saying one way or…

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@RadiantAntiHero Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with you DESPERATELLY wanting to get rid of the two characters who kill your ship.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ThePettyK It's been such a blast watching you losers shift the goalposts on this to pretend that this statement wasn't a huge L for you. Honey, it wasn't the Clotis who were trying to say one of the dates were Canon. We always said they're just representative what ifs.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@Da_CTrain Great, you're wrong.

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@DutchDread1

7 months

@animecorner_ac I did see it coming, I was feeling nervous for weeks, when the teleportation was starting I was going "nonono". This was my aerith moment, starlia was sprinting towards being my favourite anime character 😢

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ThePettyK Riddle me this, if its just fan-service...why didn't Aerith get a kiss? Simple, because you can't read, and have zero media literacy. None of the dates specifically happened, as Clotis said from the start. However, they're all still indicative of the characters relationships.

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@DutchDread1

3 months

@Kent_Stark @StygianSis Whenever someone tries to defend Clerith it always turns into a game of "how many degrees till they prove Clerith is a death cult by arguing that the point of AC is to romanticize suicidal thoughts". Congrats, you went there in 1.

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@Kiriyuki_1998 Game was marketed leaning towards Aerith, and is the game wherein Aerith dies, and this person thinks it's because of Tifa that the game isn't selling XD

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@TifaTheMonk The only "change" I want is for then to show Aerith and Zack reuniting in the lifestream and getting closure for the whole fake love triangle thing.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@Ryui7104 To be honest, she already was in Rebirth. I expected the game about Aeriths death to, you know, be about Aerith. Instead she was sidelined for 12 chapters, friendzoned, and killed off.

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5 months

@ThePettyK HAHAHA, oh wow, this is great. Thanks for this, I bookmarked this so I can come back in 3 years to laugh at you. This is next level stupidity, my word. Keep being salty about Aerith never getting a kiss, even before her death. See you in a few years to taste the tears, chiao.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@aetherealaurora Man, I keep translating Arigatou as "I love you" an duo lingo keeps telling me I'm wrong. Man, I really gotta send them a copy of FFX one day, that will show them XD

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@finalfantasyvii I went with who Cloud would choose, so tifa

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ThePettyK But man, have we been laughing at you guys attempting to prove "Aerith date is canon" for 27 years and finally getting explicitly told "nope". And not only that, even as "fan-service" as you called it you didn't get a kiss XD Want me to explain why?

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5 months

@mlwjrpg Are you really so illiterate that you missed the fact that it's SUPPOSED to be weird? Which is why everything goes wrong, people say they don't look like a couple, cloud thinks she's acting weird, and why it ends with the realisation that Aerith doesn't "like like" Cloud

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5 months

@HighwindMkII These people just wanted Aerith to survive, which means they're not fans imo.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ThePettyK Friendly reminder that you'll never get this

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@DutchDread1

3 months

@Falkurion Yeah, sorry, but basic romantic storytelling implies that when a story goes "two girls see their past loves in the MC, girl A is revealed to have been the MC's raison D'etre for his entire life to the point where his desire to get her to notice him caused him to create an alter

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@DutchDread1

7 months

@ActuallyCloud It's stuff like this that dragged me into this conversation back in the day, it should not matter that people disagree about this story but the mental acrobatics one side of this argument does to try and defend an indefensible position would do circus du soleil proud.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@pradaculture @Mhdfattal111Al @J3tAl0n3 @magelyfe @Tifalovesick No they haven't. They've said your free to interpret things as you want because the japanese are different in how they make their games. That doesn't change the fact that they have an interpretation while canon writing. They've also never said anything about "both girls".

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5 months

@ff7funfacts This was the first thing I thought off when this scene happened. Tifa goes "I like him AND..". Aerith, even at the end goes "I like him... BUT". Was a good way to show the difference between the two ships and a poignant way to end Aeriths arc concerning this I think.

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@DutchDread1

7 months

@Keinni_Polls Could people just stop making non-romantic things romantic? Aerith is the heroine of the external plot, and the most important character for this part of the story. She's expected to be front and center, stop making everything about shipping.

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@DutchDread1

4 months

Stories have an external plot, and an internal narrative. The external plot is just the "what and how". But these don't make a story, they're just events. What makes a story is the underlying humanity, the heart in conflict against itself. The "why" that teaches the lessens.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@1unarian_ So you agree that Tifa has feelings for CLoud? Well then since I've sent you links stating that their feelings match, I win.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ThePettyK Sad for you

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ThePettyK A pity kiss, I love how you delude yourself, sure, the developers would totally do that. Honey, you're not getting a kiss AT ALL. And the more you try to minimize it by calling it optional or fan-service or pity, the more glaringly pathetic it is that Aerith can't even get THAT.

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@DutchDread1

7 months

@CindiLi56380 Yes, asking a friend to help take down the corporation that killed his mother and everyone they knew and is now killing the planet, what a manipulative monster. You totally get what SE is going for with Tifa and aren't biased by your view of what you want the story to be, at all

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ShinraArch In FFVII we already have the lifestream sequence where we see Nibelheim taken form. Whether this is in Clouds head or is an actual "world" is most likely semantics. What matters is that in the lifestream you can experience things akin to simulations. But there is only one reality

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@SixthGen2048 @dayIightdancer Yes, and I've had relationships with women who have had this happen to them and worse, AND SOME liked to explore this fantasy as a way to heal, not everyone is the same, you don't get to decide how others explore sexuality in fiction.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@RadiantAntiHero Nah, you'd shrivel up and cry, as you will when playing part 3, and I will stand there and laugh and laugh and laugh.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@SixthGen2048 @dayIightdancer Ok, that's dark so if you don't want to see that stuff sure I guess, but I don't think it's uo to us to tell people not to explore darker themes and subjects in art. It's not like they're real people or that theyre saying cloud would actually do that

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5 months

@Hakuji_03 @HighwindMkII Seriously, I think it's just because they didn't want Aerith to die, no more no less. Which means they're not real fans because her death is a core part of what made the games themes resonate and those themes hinge on its irreversibility.

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4 months

@dintheshell Most interesting in this one I'd say is the close up of Tifas face, it implies a closeness as you mentioned, and it is from the POV of Cloud, implying that this moment is especially personal to him. It accentuates that he is looking at her and drinking in every word.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@explorilori Lets be honest, they've never had an answer for any argument.

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5 months

@SixthGen2048 @dayIightdancer Christ, are you really gonna strawman this hard, this is straight up sad.

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@RadiantAntiHero "I’ve never seen a CA streamer cringe or keep talking about how Cloud and Tifa aren’t a couple or something" Because they can't, because they are, next question.

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3 months

@AerithxZacks Eh, imo, if there isn't a "correct way" to interpret something, then it's by definition meaningless. It's just you making stuff up. If I wanted my own story I'd write my own story. I am paying THEM to tell me a story, If I have to do it I want my money back because I got nothing.

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4 months

@ElissavetMil It's a death cult, always has been.

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7 months

@JediJenna Really brings home that most people aren't shippers and just follow the story where it goes. Aerith is great, but shipping her with Cloud is just icky, like shipping your sister.

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5 months

@pradaculture @Mhdfattal111Al @J3tAl0n3 @magelyfe @Tifalovesick All the things they do express always also apply to for instance "Cloud and Barret", not "both girls", they don't shoot down ANYTHING. But they've also expressed that interpretations are "wrong", and have expressed a desire to be clearer this time around with less ambiguity.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ImAlive4U777 @Supernerd471 Clerith doesn't understand storytelling nor mental health issues. Must be a day ending in "day" again. Also, lying about Tifa and Cloud not sleeping together. They do, sorry to break it to ya.

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5 months

@ResonantJustice @aeiriths Here's the thing, I search for Cloti, expecting to find fun cloti posts. Instead I get posts of Cleriths shitting on Cloti, aka ADRESSING ME. My "oh so toxic response" is "you're wrong, heres a neutral reason why", their response is then "I hope your family hates you".

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5 months

@SixthGen2048 @dayIightdancer Sorry but I don't see the what the big deal is I guess.

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4 months

@JidatInoo @lauuzer I still don't understand how even a single person can think that "I like you BUT...there is liking and then there's liking" is a confession. This is literally what every man who has ever been friendzoned has heard.

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4 months

@ClerithFrance @Kiriyuki_1998 No Aerith doesn't, please do your research. Also, you have the story? Wow... You didn't have the story in 1997. Then you didn't have the story in any game after that. Even Rebirth somehow managed to be more Cloti than Clerith and now Tifas part is coming up. Good luck XD

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@DutchDread1

3 months

@cloudjimi_ff Honestly, this is one of the reasons I was against the "equal screentime" nonsense from the start. Rebirth was about Aeriths death, it should be more about her. And she has no place in P3, that should be about Tifa.

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7 months

@ActuallyCloud Honestly, and I know you know this. There is one reason only that people ever suggest this. Because they know that in reality Aerith was looking for Zack in the amalgamation, and Tifa for Cloud, they know what that means for their ship, and they're desperate to reverse it.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@manuelaellela @uwusantoryu Yeah, but correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think it also mentioned that he'd already been pulling away before then, the implication being that he started isolating himself when he started developing feelings for her.

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@AngeloC45990195 Ironically these people don't realize that Aerith is completely unnecessary for the plot of FFVII. She's essentially just a MacGuffin to summon holy, if you replace her with a spell scroll NOTHING changes.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@Ravioko @Dslmaniac For real, how often has this been alluded to now or outright stated? Literally constantly. Even now in "2000 gil to become a hero". "hadn’t he declared as much to Tifa? This was his choice, and his alone. He would become exceptional. A SOLDIER. A hero. Someone special to Tifa.”

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3 years

@hollypolllyy @SassyStargazer7 The best FF main couple imo, their story is just too good, although Aerith and zack give them a run for their money, its amazing that one story has two of the best couples in gaming.

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7 months

@ActuallyCloud Which is why Tifa doesn't like Clouds (new) eyes while Aerith does. Which is why Cloud and Tifa seemed more strained at first in the OG while Aerith and Cloud seemed more comfortable, etc. The entire Cloud Aerith ship basically exists because Tifa ISNT looking for a soldier.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@pradaculture @Mhdfattal111Al @J3tAl0n3 @magelyfe @Tifalovesick You people trying to use the massive Clerith L of the developers confirming all dates are equal and that there aren't really multiple routes as some sort of victory is the funniest thing ever. Sorry, but that quote sunk your ship and your arguments even harder.

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4 months

@Falkurion HAHAHA, Yeah, that's totally the same and not a false equivalency AT ALL XD No, you're right, the scene where Cloud talks about the feelings locked deep inside his heart for Tifa lockhart. Where he reveals he did everything to get her to notice him, is not romantic, good take XD

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@DutchDread1

4 months

@ClerithFrance @Ashley64894892 @Kiriyuki_1998 Jesus christ, I can almost taste your stupidity in this one. first one you've misrepresented, it's a quote about how intimate it is that you feel a bit embarrassed to see it. It's literally them hyping up the sweetness of the moment. Your media literacy is non-existent.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@clotiOTP God it's great being proven right all the time.

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@DutchDread1

3 months

@Tifan69 @MustardSFM I know it won't happen but I legitimately think that if they'd make part 3 this mature it would help the success of the game.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@ThePettyK Cleriths whenever anyone reminds them that Cloud kissed Tifa.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@starlightguh @Supernerd471 Do you actually need me to explain it to you? Alternatively you can ask any random 5 year old, because anyone above that age is probably mentally mature enough to understand the answer.

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@DutchDread1

5 months

@0perationZer0 @HayashiNagisa @Mhdfattal111Al Yes actually, did you really not know that?

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@DutchDread1

7 months

@ActuallyCloud Tl Dr; NO ONE ships Zack and Tifa, they ship Aerith and Cloud and want Zack and Tifa out of the way, and think that convincing people Zack and Tifa would be a good match somehow helps with that. And NO ONE who understands Tifa would think she's looking for a soldier, or Zack.

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