Finally finished this book. By far, it is the most thorough and step by step breakdown of papal claims and history. I am convinced that no one can read the book and concluding that roman catholicism could still be true.
I think a lot of people who have slandered Fr Peter Heers over his alleged "canonical irregularity" for the sake of their souls need to make amends with him and go to confession. Check this out from the Uncut conference. Fr Peter is not "rejected from his bishops." Look below.
Dwong's a nice guy, but this book is simply the same stuff as his YT videos sans any responses to critiques to his work. I will respond to this and more Friday night in "The Western Fathers Did Not Teach the Filioque."
The biggest news in apologetics in 2023 was the vindication of the Dionysian Corpus. Hopefully the biggest news in academia in 2024 will be the thesis being published in a peer reviewed journal.
Concerning RC "capitulation" to Orthodox in ecumenist documents, I don't think this a win. They will tell us everything we want to hear and not mean a word of it. Required viewing:
On Thursday, the Vatican may be conceding the entire Orthodox position on the papacy, and in substance retract Vatican I.
The Pope would “be on equal footing” with the Patriarchs.
Bravo Craig! What an in-depth article showing that the West believed in the Holy Ghost in an Orthodox manner, of one mind with the East.
Please take a few minutes out of your time to read through this, and believe with confidence that the West was Orthodox!
I don't think it is prudent to call Charlemagne a saint. By all accounts he was a heretic. He rejected Nicea II at length, earning the rebuke of Pope Adrian I. Even if the Caroline Books are ghostwritten, Adrian addresses Charlemagne himself as the author.
Very interesting that Dwong's response is a non sequitur and he doesn't understand Saint Maximus when he explains that the Filioque is used as an euphemism for temporal procession in order to express the shared divine essence between the hypostases...
Very interesting how Craig uses St. Paschasius the Deacon as proof against the Filioque, when he explicitly teaches it….
From my upcoming book which will be out in the next month. 300+ pages of quotemining and forgeries 😁
He won't, if you notice they deliberately avoid debating this question with literally any apologist--which is strange considering how they consider it a feather in their cap.
@TheOtherPaul2
Can I add some Gnostics, Donatists, Modalists, and Paulicians to my "consensus" too? It seems to me that Prot apologetics is inconsistent with their "filtering" of ancient sources. We either look at *all* historical sources or we look at *ecclesiastical* sources.
This is quote that I finally got to read its original context (it is quoting an Apostle's Creed with the Filioque in it). It does teach double procession--but its likely a forgery. It comes from a collection of fragments that is post-9th century, the final fragment from Hinchmar.
St. Fulgentius of Ruspe teaches the Filioque while giving a defense of the Apostles Creed against Arians, showing he believed this was the teaching of the Apostles.
You are going in the right direction, now venerate literal objects like relics and icons as the Jews and pre Nicene Christians did and you are all the way there!
"The Principle of Pentarchy at the Council(s) (869-870 and 879-880)," Chrysos, p. 168.
Scholars recognize the medieval Papacy was an invention by Anastasius. My book, "The Rise and Fall of the Papacy" will prove this in detail.
It’s funny how they always say I'm coping but can never articulate how. Thanks for the share! How about Pinesap debate the Papacy! I like opponents who cant articulate themselves.
I don't doubt that Ubi will win with content, but just like Nixon beat Kennedy on the radio, on TV Kennedy was the winner because of the optics. "Ubi" is going to have to appear as his real self, with his real voice, or to the average viewer Orthodoxy looks sort of nuts.
The ultimate Orthodox quote-mine:
Papal honorifics applied to the the Emperor and other Sees, Petrine passages (keys, gates of hell, feed my sheep) applied to all bishops, common Vatican 1 popes and fathers contra V1, Latin fathers with EO ecclesiology🧵
@redeemed_zoomer
With all due respect, have you read this? Whether privately or publicly, if you are sincere in this question I would be happy to speak with you on this. PM me.
This is 1000 percent truth. Maximus and Jonathan Damascus say the same. More importantly, wisdom of Solomon says God did not make death but man called it upon himself.
St Dumitru Stanilaoe writes that suffering and death are "consequences of our alienation from the source of life" rather than a punishment from God. He criticizes as heretical a view in which the cross is a means of placating God's "wrath."
("The Experience of God, Vol 2" p187)
@superxtianmario
This apologetic argument is so bad and intellectually lazy one wonders why it is made. Our church name is, technically, "Orthodox Catholic." So we have right doctrine and "Catholicity." If it weren't true, what good would the name be?
I suggest not just fixing the Pascha date discrepancy between East and West, but bringing both Rome and all New Calendar Orthodox Churches onto the Old Calendar during Nicea 2025.
@TheOtherPaul2
Irenaeus: "For no reformation of so great importance can be effected by them, as will compensate for the mischief arising from their schism (Again Heresies, Book IV, Chap 33, Par 7)"
It’s what happens when you privilege various concepts in your tradition (monastic superiority, etc) over scripture.
Woman was made for man.
It is not good for man to be alone.
Those are two statements direct from the Bible.
Pope Adrian II's excommunication of Anastasius the Librarian (for killing his family) cited Anastasius stealing and doctoring manuscripts to cover up his own crimes. (PL 125:1241)
But Anastasius would never, EVER forge the minutes of Nicea II. Photius did that...twice... ;)
Im aware of Erick Ybarra's response to my research on Saint Agatho. There will be a response, and not a long one because there is a transparent error that is easy to point out. Nevertheless, we may actually stream together so i will not comment for the moment.
My warning to the reader is that the person saying this article is wrong is because "Craig is a goober/schizo/not a scholar/etc," you already know they have have "conceded defeat," because not only are such personal attacks untrue and unchristian, they are cowardly.
The disclaimer: This article contains proof that Western fathers *did not* teach the Filioque in the double procession sense, but in fact explicitly identify a single-processionist (Orthodox) account for the Spirit's eternal origin.
I already anticipate the responses being attacks on my person and extreme ad hoc interpretations of the texts provided (which is why I offer historical context so it becomes even more difficult to decontextualize what was stated).
I recently bought a copy of the Confession of St. Peter Mogila, and was surprised to discover that the translation was done by none other than my cousin Phillip Ludwell III
We are to read all dogmatic documents in harmony with one another, and particularly with an emphasis on the first seven councils. No Saint would disagree with this criteria.
Lol, dishonest clipping. St Justin says right above the authority of this catechism is only relative.
And in the same work he contradicts it directly on some points, for example the number of sacraments. He also criticises the latin captivity set by Moghila's academy.
@TheOtherPaul2
Again, I know you're trying to make hay on this, but there is an important exegetical point that condemnations of "altars and images" are non literal. Being that you claim you accept the use of images, this exposes the hypocrisy of you disseminating this very meme.
Thanks to Deo Creative on Nov 20 not only does "The Rise and Fall of the Papacy" debut, but so does it's companion: "History of the Papacy in 12 Minutes." This will easily best even "Errors of the Catholics."
@davidfig1596
Honestly, it's simpler than you think. There's no argument that the early Church was explicitly consensus based. Popes and councils state so. None speak of direct jurisdiction. None speak of universal jurisdiction. No question West schismed.
🧵🧵🧵My journey from being a Communist Novus Ordo Catholic to a Monarchist Orthodox Christian🧵🧵🧵
1. Introduced to Novus Ordo at my first Catholic parish. “What’s on the menu at the Theological Cafeteria?” “The Early Church was Communist; haven’t you read Acts?”
2. Randomly
@StJude_OPN
How did the same council say that the Orthodox Empire would always hold to correct doctrine? In short, agatho was talking about Orthodox doctrine being preserved, not popes specifically. 7th century honorifics are over the top and confusing to those who have not read them.
In this account, I contextualize the statements historically, instead of providing a quote mine that is just hanging in the open air. Additionally, one can delineate precisely when the West started adopting double procession as opposed to the earlier sing procession view in Rome.
I have seen 2 substantive responses to Errors of the Catholics from the RC side. One rejects St Vincent de Lerins and literally says, "is this special pleading? maybe." The other is "Aquinas used forgeries that he thought were forgeries." Who cares? And this is not even true.
@TheOtherPaul2
I literally just walked past a united Presbyterian-baptist church. If it is not the ideology of Protestantism that undergirds their modernism, what is it they have in common?
St Hezekiah stamped coins with a cross (ank) on it. The use of an Egyptian image to be symbolic of God is also an interesting touch, very consistent with pre-Nicene Christian images.
The point of this article is not to stir the pot, as apologists on both sides have invested themselves heavily in pigeonholing the West as "teaching the Filioque," rightly or wrongly.
Metropolitan Onuphrey is reported to have stated his conditions for the OCU and UOC to come together in Ukraine;
1) the OCU must renounce the decisions of Constantinople
2) renounce the Tomos
3) renounce everything the Ecumenical Patriarch did in Ukraine
(Source: UOJ).
@rightresponsem
Wait, isn't it sectarian to say that people are going to hell over a heresy ? Isnt that schoopings whole critique of nicea 2 and the henotikon? Isn't the hypocrisy a little off setting?
The eisegesis of a lifetime. "[T]he Father is fontal deity [πηγαία θεότης], but the Lord Jesus and the Spirit are, if one may so speak, God-planted shoots." (St Dionysius, Divine Names, 2.7) There is no "secondary cause" nonsense in DN 2. Read up folks!
@ReformedLad
The whole edifice of Protestantism is built upon factual historical errors, namely the innovation of forensic justification, St Ignatius' epistles were reputed to be forgeries by the reformers, the Masoretic Text was the most reliable tradition of the Old Testament, etc.
@MilitantThomist
How does a tweet saying "yeah they were forgeries, but the forgeries are consistent with real stuff, trust me bro" get 147 likes? This is not a rhetorical question. I honestly wonder! To even begin using this argument, one would have to demonstrate it is even remotely true.
This is an important sermon as st mark of ephesus harmonizes the patristics on original sin. This orthodox understanding is crucial in correcting RC Mariological and Christological errors and having published on this question, i can appreciate the translation from Scholarius.
Today being St. Mark of Ephesus' feast day on the OC, I'd like to share one of his treatises. It's on Atonement and the sin of Adam.
Sadly it's only translated into Russian (by your humble servant), but you can try to read it in Google translate.
This misinfo is why I made the reply to MHFM. Constantinople II contained an imperial deposition the council recognized. Vigilius *became Pope* following Pope Silverius' imperial deposition 16 years previously. Imperial review is legit against heresy. See
@ZZZELCH84
But it gets worst. No
@ZZZELCH84
. Second Constantinople did not depose Vigilius. The whole excommunication was explicitly said to have been predicated on the idea that Vigilius had already *made himself* alien to the Church. There was no deposition in the acts.
@CLTOhio1991
I forgot another fake EC, Lateran 649, which despite Papal ratification Rome does not accept as an EC--which calls into question the Papal ratification thesis.
@strivetobekind
Okay here is a summary. Literally every pro papal proof text that unequivocally teaches papal supremacy and Infallibility all originates from the same scribe, anastasius the librarian. This is not a matter of debate when the copies originate. Connect the dots.
@CLTOhio1991
BTW, there are tons of fake Ecumenical councils that were ratified without all the Patriarchs--Sirmium, Ephesus 2, Hiera, Consantinople 869-870, every single post schism Romam council, Crete (2016)...
Session 6 of Nicea 2 literally quotes Epiphanius on button number 2 above and marvels how the iconoclasts quote the passage as proof, "These men, in their attack of the Church, seem to want common sense!" (Mendham, p. 382) I ask the same.
The russian priest on Truglia's stream just now said explicitly that lay greeks can receive communion at russian churches and that the MP-EP schism only prevents clergy from concelebrating together
Crazy how baseless twitter talking points get destroyed by actual priests/bishops
@barbosa_8888
The catechisms that have received pan-orthodox approval are attended to be dogmatic authorities and were used as such by several councils and cited as such By several dogmatics books written by Saint.
@Trent_Horn
Actually, the fathers, hymnography, and Luke 1:35/Ex 40:29 LXX all delineate that the purification at the annunciation preserved the Theotokos' virginity and dignity.
@JYLewis3
But he did respond to fake contentions and impute them to me, that counts for something, right? I find it ironic that doing this is *not* "uncharitable" but pointing out that it occurred is. I don't understand it.