so the timeline is
- crepus dies
- kaeya reveals who he is
- he and diluc fight and diluc injures his right eye
- kaeyaโs eyepatch now covers a scar
- kaeya pretended to be blinded in that eye + isnโt sure if diluc believed it
- diluc definitely doesnโt believe it, at least later
@GenshinImpact
please donโt say disrespectful things about the shape of the 5* catalyst, itโs based on a traditional japanese shinto shrine accessory, the kagura suzu
- diluc replies telling kaeya not to worry about him and to take care of himself instead
- probably after this is when the dragon starts causing trouble and traveler shows up. kaeya sends letter
#9
to diluc
- kaeya doesnโt resent diluc at all for the eye injury, he feels he had it coming considering the circumstances. he jokes about his eye to let diluc know he isnโt upset about it
- diluc doesnโt appreciate the jokes but does tell kaeya he knows his eye didnโt get blinded
- diluc leaves on his journey. kaeya encourages him to go
- while diluc is gone, kaeya comes to stay at the winery, sleeping in his old bedroom and going on walks and getting adelinde to make him his favorite meals
- kaeya sends letters to diluc keeping him apprised about mond
- after dilucโs return and the coincidental appearance of the darknight hero, kaeya immediately recognizes itโs diluc and sends him letters about it, warning him and giving him info
okay so letโs talk about kaeyaโs โmy mouth is lonelyโ (literal from CN/JP) line from pt3 of windblume that became โWhatโs a drink without something on the side?โ in EN which is boring and not as suggestive as the original. JP kaeluc fandom is melting down over this line!
genshin event spoilers//
I played in JP first so I hadnโt seen the EN. the JP is even more suggestive tbh...
(venti asks kaeya to pay him in booze made by dawn winery) โConsidering you and Dilucโs relationship, you can get some for me, right?โ
!!!!!?!?!!?!
wait in the stream, they briefly showed definitions for hilichurl words and I saw โlikeโ (in chinese) as a definition for muhe....
SO MI MUHE YE DOES MEAN โI LIKE YOUโ???????
KAEYA REALLY DID WRITE A LOVE POEM???????
going to start my thread going over stuff the EN translation added/removed! note that Iโm only comparing EN to JP, but from what I gather, the JP is closer to the original CN than the english is (as usual haha)
first: the second line about diluc getting a tan was added in EN lol
okay Iโm not done, I love that they have been sending letters this whole timeโฆ dilucโs two letters to โKโ (K!!!) are in pristine condition, as if he kept them carefully. and kaeyaโs nine letters to D are all collected even though most of them must have been delivered on the road
the last line in JP is โif you had a geo vision, weโd both be napping on another island by nowโ
so itโs not just kaeya whoโd be asleep!! itโs both of them!!! kaeya wants them to take a nap together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so when rosaria says kaeya only takes an interest in people like the traveler, the official EN had โthis innkeeper.โ but she actually said โthe owner of this place.โ meaning DILUC!!! SHE SAID KAEYA ONLY TAKES AN INTEREST IN PEOPLE LIKE THE TRAVELER AND DILUC!!!!!
and KAEYA JUST GOES โWow, so itโs come to that...โ
he doesnโt deny that he and diluc have a relationship where kaeya can acquire bottles of dawn winery booze apparently easily. he also AGREES to ventiโs proposal easily, even after venti names the price as three bottles
@ everyone who thinks thereโs โtoo muchโ slang/memes in a3 english localization and suspects too many liberties were taken......... do you read japanese??? because japanese has slang and memes and itaru and kazunari were using them in the original. you just didnโt know......
yes here it is with japanese translation! โlike/love, wantโ (it says hilichurls almost never say โloveโ so it usually means โwantโ)
oh... it could be โI want youโ ๐ณ๐ณ๐ณ๐ณ๐ณ๐ณ
this part had me cracking up. kaeya sarcastically thanks albedo for leaving them behind and albedo calmly replies โyouโre welcomeโ
I love the direction the EN took this but albedo said โthe two of you seemed to be enjoying your bickering, so I just gave you a space of your ownโ
so despite moving around from place to place and needing to pack light and take only what he could carry, diluc took kaeyaโs letters with him across teyvat + then brought them back to the winery + laid them out in what resembles a kaeya shrine alongside the vase kaeya gave himโฆ
no..... we just read (from official magazine info) that doppo originally came to jakuraiโs office for work, as a medical supply salesman, AND JAKURAI NOTICED HOW DEPRESSED HE WAS AND INVITED HIM TO COME BACK AS A PATIENT!!!!! ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ!!!!!!!!!
Iโm not sure if the translation makes it clear, but they were basically fighting in midair over where to land while gliding. diluc wanted to land on an island with tall mountains but kaeya very much objected and they argued so much they ended up landing elsewhere lmaoooooo
also...... everyone else in fling posse are ไปฒ้ (teammates) but only for dice and gentaro it says theyโre ไปฒ้ใปๅ้ teammates AND FRIENDS!!!!!! ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
when kaeya switches to giving diluc this sidelong look, his line of โIf I had my way, I wouldโve just frozen the surface of the water, butโฆโ WAS TOTALLY CUT in EN
the attitude is soooo like โwell, I WANTED to do this, buuuUUUUTTT SOMEONE ๐๐ stopped me ๐๐โ
so all of this implies that kaeya can just go down to the tavern and grab three bottles of booze as if heโs an equal owner... almost as if theyโre married......
or that he knows he can talk diluc into it, possibly by providing him with certain favors.....
HE AGREES SO EASILY!!!
โ ๏ธwarningโ ๏ธ
โBut Theyโre Brothersโ people are blocked on sight. itโs 2022, just give it up already. we are shipping what we want whether you agree or not
first kaeya suggests diluc add food to angels share menu, then he says ้ ใ ใใใใๅฃใๅฐใๅฏใใ (same in CN: ๅด้ๆ็นๅฏๅฏ). ๅฃใๅฏใใ is literally โmy mouth is lonelyโ and I would say itโs used most often by smokers to mean โI need a cigaretteโ
nothing to do with kaeluc but
@lulalalaiyada
pointed out that they removed albedo calling klee his little sister. she was concerned western fans donโt know albedo and klee consider themselves brother and sister because of stuff like this
TIPS/TRICKS FOR ENSTARS BASIC & MUSIC
- to increase idol rank (similar to affection in old enstars), you need to gain fans but only !! cards can gain fans each time you use them
- you can use ! cards in live & produce teams, but they can't gain fans/their skills don't apply
made a translation of 3:06-4:40 of this video! covering kaeyaโs introduction of angelโs share and dawn winery~
sorry itโs not the full thing, I only wanted to share this part!
kaeyaaaaaaa
AND venti knows about all of this!!! what has venti seen while at the tavern drinking, I wonder!
even if the interpretation is just โtheyโre brothers so kaeya can access the wineryโs liquorโ itโs still extremely delicious bc it means venti knows theyโre actually on good terms ๐ฅฐ
on my last thread people accusing me of saying perfectly normal lines/phrases are suggestive to fit my ship agenda so let me just say that YES there is an ordinary sfw meaning for ๅฃใๅฏใใ. BUT... this is kaeya speaking. itโs highly likely heโs making a double entendre
people are losing their minds because it really is so suggestive. the phrase basically means that you want something in your mouth, whether thatโs a cigarette... food... dilucโs dโ
anyway... especially when said by kaeya, it absolutely is suggestive, possibly flirty! ๐ณ
@ everyone excited about scamming a3 for free dia:
do you realize sales for the EN version are already not great........ tbh I think the game is seriously struggling
I'd be worried about if it can continue without more people actually spending money
not trying to scam it...
reiou (tsukasaโs voice actor) shared a really cute behind the scenes story about the recording of Promise Swords (getting bossed around by the other knights seiyuu lol) so I translated it! (mr. kuwabara is the enstars music director)
I LOVED seeing klee argue with diluc and how he was diluc forced to โagreeโ that the dodo king is real because of klee hahahaha. the translation of his response sounds too sassy but he just said โโฆoh. rightโ taken aback and not wanting to be mean to a child probably lol
one jp tweet I saw in response to it said โIf your mouth is so lonely, why donโt you kiss the man in front of you?โ
so thatโs just another example proving that it DOES have a suggestive meaning in japanese and jp kaeluc fans absolutely interpreted it as such!
if an alberich founded the abyss order, doesnโt that explain why diluc randomly showed up and took out the abyss mage in the domain before kaeya could speak to it? diluc must have learned that alberich = abyss order founderโฆ
(in my mind this is because heโs worried about kaeya)
this is one where maybe some nuance was lostโฆ kaeya says โmaybe diluc and I are just fated to go through bitter experiences togetherโ (I attached the dictionary translation for the phrase he uses). I thought the EN was okay here but lost a bit of the โshared experienceโ nuance
paimon says โไปฒใใใใใ ใใๆชใใใ ใโฆโ (do you guys get along or do you notโฆ). the TL is pretty close but I think โhate each otherโs gutsโ goes a bit too far
this is one where the most delicious part got lost a little. she asked if they arrived ไบไบบใใ or โjust the two of you.โ again I donโt know what the CN was but in JP this really implies likeโฆ JUST the two of you huhโฆ I was cackling when I got here
I really enjoyed how kaeyaโs letter mentioned vases considering kaeya and dilucโs history with vases (in the manga, kaeya broke a white vase at the winery and replaced it with the flashy one thatโs there now, which diluc wasnโt a fan of and yet displays prominentlyโฆ)
โจ REMINDER TO INTERNATIONAL ENSTARS PLAYERS that the annual fan meeting for the 4th anniversary w/ seiyuu is TOMORROW so expect lots of news (free pulls? choose a 5* ticket?) including most likely ANIME NEWS and RHYTHM GAME NEWS! it is all getting dropped tomorrow so be aware โจ
plus if you ship kaeluc obviously you want to interpret it that way. also on the last thread my jp comprehension was questioned so also let me say I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THIS. you can search ใฌใคใขๅฃใๅฏใใ or something to find a bunch of jp fandom tweets about it!
I am soooooo annoyed!!! this is the exact sort of thing they cut out and tone down for english probably to avoid discourse flaring up again! no! stop erasing things in one language but keeping them in others!! this is such a good kaeluc crumb, GONE!!
diluc obviously has a hard time saying โdodo-kingโ with a straight face and kaeya teases him, saying โthat just sounds strange coming out of your mouth/coming from youโ (in my notes I wrote โhearing you say that is incredibly weirdโ)
why EN changed it is beyond me, they always do this, but if I were translating it and I could get away with it these are some suggestions:
- โIf only I had something to nibble onโ
- โSometimes you just want something in your mouthโ (lmao this one possibly goes too far)
if your translation contains one or more massive mistakes that will actively spread misinformation within western fandom, DELETE THE TWEET even if it has tons of RTs already.... and consider studying more japanese before trying to get twitter validation through translations
G U Y Sโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆ.
๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
heโs finally FINALLY home on mainโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆโฆ.. a year and a half after I started the gameโฆโฆ. I have wanted him THIS ENTIRE TIMEโฆโฆโฆ.. ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
I took notes when I first watched this scene and I wrote down a translation since I loved it sooooo much especially dilucโs reaction of an annoyed tongue click
kaeya: oh? does it LOOK like we came together?
diluc: tch
ah, in JP this was ไปฒ้ (teammates/friends/allies) and it was a lot more poignant because it really sounded like diluc was remembering when he and kaeya were a teamโฆโฆ. ๐ญ
LRT lmao
jun (mika): knights definitely planned this
kamio (kuro): they do have that group chat
jun: it probably went like
>reiou (tsukasa): what should we do?
>other 4: up to you
kamio: either that or
>masami (izumi): weโre doing this
>other 4: okay
maybe at some point I'll make a thread on how unfortunately the !! writers have reverted back to treating adonis like a textbook "foreigner" character when he used to be a lot more nuanced... this started in ! too but it wasn't this bad. aira LITERALLY called him a monster...
(caps taken from a jp fan)
Rinne: Thatโs why Iโm warning you, Girlfriend-kun, not to get too close to him. Weโre a different breed of human. You can cuddle an animal, but you shouldnโt want to marry one.
love how dilucโs reaction is to glare at kaeya and say, evenly, โIโm not so sure.โ he doesnโt say โUghโ!! that was added in and personally I donโt think that conveys his tone. in my opinion heโs more annoyed with kaeya for talking about it so flippantly, plus he disagrees
Mayoi: Iโm so sorry. I was so happy to be eating with everyone that I couldnโt stop myself from slipping something into your drinks!
MAYOI?????!!!!!!!!
โis meant to be seen as familialโ literally says who lol
this is honestly the root of the conflictโฆ. people who arbitrarily decide something is familial even though it ~canonically~ very much is not and then get upset when there are shippers (see: zhongxiao)
also not kaeluc related but as an albedo main and albether shipper I have to point out that he says โwow, to think you have that much faith in me/you trust me that muchโ ๐ฅฐ
(although Iโm taking these screenshots from a youtube video with lumine not aether hahaha)
it was so funny how fast razor ran to go fishing with kleeโฆ
also I find this โUghโ translation very rude. all he did was sigh in exasperation/exhaustion about kaeya saying heโd explore every nook and cranny of the islands!
just love how every time kaeluc antis are like โdiluc HATES kaeyaโ something comes out to prove that wrong lol
if he hates him then why did he add kaeyaโs food to the menu of his tavern lmao... couldโve chosen literally any other dish!!
he doesnโt hate him heโs just tsuntsun
LRT we were discussing on wataP server today what enstars ships are popular in japan. this ranking organizes them based on how many times each pixiv pairing tag has been used
*JP fandom is strict about top/bottom order
1. midochia
2. ritsumao
3. leokasa
4. ritsuizu
5. reikoga
(plot of every valkyrie related event)
mika: hey oshisan weโve been asked to perform atโ
shu: NON!
mika: but oshisanโ
shu: I said no! absolutely not, kagehira!
(day of the live)
mika: wait oshisan why are you here?
shu: never mind that, letโs do this if we must
mika:
ohhhh my goddddd wataru packed keito and sena in a box and presented them to eichi along with madara.... their unit name is Trรคumerei which means daydream...
Keito: Hibiki. Sit down because Iโm going to lecture you.
(with a โHibiki.โ voice clip I hadnโt heard before!)
@astraimpact
I also love how they clearly refuse to speak the name of the Forbidden Ship so they try to pretend like diluc/thoma and diluc/zhongli are dilucโs big m/m ships you encounter all the time lmaoooo
Kitamu (Arashi)โs goodbye speech from the afternoon show:
Some of you may be feeling depressed or going through a rough time, and I hope that watching this made you feel a little more optimistic and positive. Whenever youโre feeling down, just know that Knights is your Knights.
ENSTARS CHARACTER NAME ORIGIN/MEANING THREAD
based on a series of tweets by japanese fan @/etcetc269269
SWITCH
ๆฅๅทๅฎ harukawa sora = spring ("haru")
้่ใคใใ aoba tsumugi = fresh leaves signifying early summer ("aoba")
้ๅ ๅค็ฎ sakasaki natsume = summer ("natsu")
translation of other jp fan tweets I saw: โwe got too much food and my stomach hurts. we got so much food Iโm going crazy, but I still want to eat more...โ
so daiki (ritsu) WAY overslept today, barely made it to starry stage on time, and asanuma (leo) called him out at the afternoon show saying he had โgotten too into his roleโ lmao
akira: before I worked on enstars, I didnโt know what it was like to be a part of the production team for such a huge, popular series. I always wondered from far away what that was like...
but now I know...
and more than I imagined, itโs actually hell!!
...jk
I know everyoneโs seen this by now but chiaki sticking out his hand for a handshake and kanata hugs him instead and then they whirl around together....... help....... I love them ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
what if, when diluc said we could only trust half of what kaeya says, he meant it more as a huffy warning that kaeya would try to mess with us? (diluc can see through everything kaeya does and knows which half to trust, but we donโt have that benefit, so he warned us)
oh my godddd. reading ioriโs 16 producers rabbichat and apparently iori woke up one morning and sleepily came out into the living room and called riku โnii-sanโโฆ