There were no new bombs dropped today with the AG videos. These were some of the reasons we left staff.
I just talked to the general and volz last sat and they told us they knew of these situations from the last few years….
#ihopkc
There were years of attempts to address major concerns in private before getting to this moment. Thank you
@markslezinger
for your vulnerability in speaking out. Your voice brings clarity.
@ihopkc
@EricVolz
#ihopkc
Tears escape me tonight. A stranger standing on our stage acting like Allen Hood, Wes Martin and Dwayne Roberts are random guys with no authority to speak into this moment…Do we even know the process of how the general got this power he currently holds? Lord Help Us!!!!
In case you forgot… Tebutt whom mb (lower caps intentional) protected, fought for, yelled at Jono Hall about, watched Allen Hood walk away from ihop over, also abused a 14 yr old and continued to for years.
#ihopkc
Not sure why it took mb’s sins to open my eyes to how dark many of the hero’s ihopkc admired were, such as William Brenham and Count Zinzendorf. Their influence is more widespread than ihop. These men need to be denounced by the church.
#ihopkc
@ihopkc
Thank you. These are words I pleaded with the ELT to say as we resigned. Does this mean you will no longer allow primary leaders to continue to hang out with mb and further his message of betrayal?
@EricVolz
With all due respect… at this point, that appeals email has lost all credibility. You may not comprehend the culture you’ve stepped into. Emails have traditionally been a black hole. I imagine most will choose to stick to sm and news outlets.
If Allen hood told Ed Hackett about the filming in Dec., was it really secret? I sincerely hope that the end of ihopkc as we know it doesn’t come down to confusion over documentaries vs YouTube videos.
@ericvolz
, please smooth this over.
#ihopkc
I always hesitate posting on social media, but as I was asked by a few people I thought this might be helpful for clarity. A small caveat to the “documentarygate ” brouhaha. I have a feeling I may have a communicated I was not lying, but I was maybe being selective with the
@ihopkc
Who is this guy we have zero history with? Is Allen Hood, Wes Martin and Dwayne Roberts suddenly random guys with no authority to speak into this situation?
Please be gentle and honor those who are on staff. The fabric of reality has been torn. They are excellent ones hoping for sin to be dealt with & the mission they love to continue. Some are wanting clarity or trying to leave quietly. Everyone is on their own journey.
#ihopkc
In a system that has refused to hear so many voices for so many years, you can't protest when God, in His longsuffering mercy, finally raises up a collective prophetic cry that can't be silenced. Be humble and repent.
@ihopkc
The prayer movement is much bigger than IHOPkc. There are leaders, primarily men, that have invested their lives into supporting and promoting prayer. 1/5
This is not a good look
@ihopkc
@EricVolz
when Bob Hartley currently has his own swirl of SA allegations and reportedly stopped in at Jane Does church threatening her for speaking up. To clarify, Zack Hensley told me he has not partnered with Hartley in this 50 days of prayer
@EricVolz
@Rpanozzo88
Thanks for chiming in with insults, There are many similarities. Jane doe had a friend back up the details on record. I still feel sick that you told me Jane doe relationship was consensual w mb as a 19 yr old and a 42 yr old leader. Bro, your mind is twisted.
@Joel7Richardson
@bennettisaac
We know that MB was confronted by Jane does husband and other leaders early Oct. and that MB was allowed to continue preaching black horse and messing with our heads for 2 weeks. Let’s be honest about it.
Too bad Ernie Gruen is not alive to see this day at
#ihopkc
Little did we all know
#mikebickle
was triangulating people & orchestrating every move for his image & empire. Ernie saw it, exposed it, & became another body behind the bus.
@EricVolz
@DWAYNEROBERTS
@EricVolz
I assure you, mb’s SA and manipulation, vague denial & disturbing ELT response is what traumatized this community. Mistakes were made by ag that need addressed, but the reality of abuse remains THE primary issue. Please stop throwing smoke at this.
@starcazm
as I played drums in the prayer room I observed Many times over the last 4 years…. watching mike kiss women on the cheek and give hugs , rub shoulders etc. and feel like if it was anyone else security would be escorting him out.
@blaiseforet
That’s exactly what Stuart told me he was doing, defended his right to do so saying any different was absurd and offensive, and that it was not in the Bible and was simply a modern cultural trend.
@DancyChip
@AlyssaDegraff
@bozlawpa
The point of impossible standards, I believe is the other way around. We had leaders put impossible standards on us, projecting an image they were walking it out themselves, while in reality, they were unwilling to lift a finger to carry any of the burdens they placed on us
@carkkrac
@ihopkc
I just told my wife and I will tell you, I am sincerely sorry for not leaving and speaking up sooner. I’ve been watching red flags for over a decade but had no idea how deep it went. I should have ask more questions and listened more to those raising concerns.
@bennettisaac
@EJVerdery
@EricVolz
We know that MB was confronted by Jane does husband and other leaders early Oct. and that MB was allowed to continue preaching black horse and messing with our heads for 2 weeks. Why keep doubling down? It wasn’t your call. I don’t blame you. Just be honest about it.
@teri_shahan
@blaiseforet
Yes, it seems like he found a theology of secretly repenting that brought peace and boldness. This, somehow relieved him of feeling accountable to the earthly consequences of sinning against others. And possibly a split in his brain. It’s hard to speculate how this is possible.
@ihopkc
are Stuart and Dave still IHOPKC staff, but have resigned from their leadership positions? Or are they no longer on staff at all? Thanks for clarifying when you are able. 👍🏻
Deadbolts and peep holes… This would not be as disturbing if not for the well known fact that Mike met regularly with woman in his office 1 on 1 for hours at a time. But hey, “it’s Mike”
@ihopkc
@isierranichole
2. I am now seeing how wildly irresponsible it was for leadership to allow us that choice. We regularly move the prayer room to different locations for cleaning. Why not move it for a bomb threat?
@ChandiHeenan
@starcazm
Keep in mind that I watched mb do this with a woman for years that he knew was saying she heard from the Lord that her husband and mikes wife would die and that she would marry him.
@carkkrac
@ihopkc
Anyone who was critical and left were instantly discredited at some level in the back of my mind… and, with some, there was part of me deep down that knew they were right. The love for the “calling” and the cling to this place is strong. I can’t begin to unpack this here.
@blaiseforet
@jessie_thinker
@JacobsRacq6913
@ihopkc
@zackhensleyaz
Thats why I only made it 10 days of playing sets after suddenly hearing mb allegations, & more details on others i won’t mention here. Seeing several people freely pacing in the PR that had major issues to address was too much for me. My head was spinning
@starcazm
I was in the prayer room when Stuart got on the mic and called MySpace a portal of darkness. I remember finding it strange there was no follow up to that considering that was such strong language.
I cannot personally verify these claims, but they need to be carefully addressed before having Hartley call a corporate 50 days of prayer and use
@ihopkc
as the hub. Let’s make sure he is praying, not preying.
@Joel7Richardson
@EricVolz
Yes. This is real. Far more than any other group.. current leadership poses the greatest threat to ihopkc. In my resignation to ELT I pleaded with them to change course and told them they were tearing this place down with their own hands. It’s So sad
@EricVolz
@ihopkc
@EricVolz
the only appropriate action is to ask him to stay off the missions base while it’s being looked into. Bobs own son has spoken out affirming these claims. I have seen security kick guys out of prayer for far less
@isierranichole
1. I stayed on stage during a bomb threat just a few months ago. I continue to play feeling the real possibility that I may never see my wife again. I did it proudly and involuntarily.
@EricVolz
This is a bizarre post. None of these men are scared to speak. They have all been clear to the detriment of Their ministries and reputations. Why post this? There are so many other things happening
@starcazm
Crazy how he could be perceive as oblivious and yet we highly valued his wisdom for how to conduct our lives in every way. Hard to explain to anyone who has not lived in the fog of it
Paul Cain is the bridge between IHOPKC and
@blurrycreatures
. I’d love if they made a podcast digging into this more. Not sure who they would have on as a guest.
@EricVolz
Hi Eric - are Stuart and Dave still IHOPKC staff, but have resigned from their leadership positions? Or are they no longer on staff at all? Thanks for clarifying when you are able. 👍🏻
@BusterB59961604
It may be mocking for some. For me, it’s processing & the beginnings of unraveling the layers of manipulation. mb used the Word of God and the nation of Israel as a pawn to manipulate us. I plan to hold on to both the Word & some of these heart values, so there’s work to be done
@DBarkleyBriggs
Wow
@DBarkleyBriggs
thank you for taking time to clearly articulate so many of the feelings and recent conversations we’ve been having.
@ihopkc
right on the nose. put it out right in broad daylight. That’s MB 101. Then eventually people will think you being honest. And those who don’t are discredited in your eyes. Many respected leaders on staff have raised specific concerns and you turned a blind eye.
@ihopkc
Again,
@zackhensleyaz
is not connected to Hartley in this at all. Zack was just there prayer leading the set and Hartley showed up to pray. Zack tried talking to leaders to keep Hartley from praying on the mic.
@isierranichole
4. And during that bomb threat a few months ago, Mike Bickle, who was not even on staff at the time, made it clear that he was in charge of the prayer room and instructed the police on how to conduct their search
@ChandiHeenan
@starcazm
I’ve also recently spoken with someone else who knew at the time who brought it to Mike directly. Mike responded by saying to never tell his wife Diane about it. And then Mike brought this woman closer into his inner circle on his research team.
@EricVolz
@EricVolz
how did the ELT implement any of the recommendations from Grace? the policy for handling sexual abuse was never made. Then ELT moved BT from working with the 50+ age interns to work w our college students!
#IHOPKC
@starcazm
And began feeling frustrated at mike for the total lack of basic discernment of how to interact with women. I chalked it up to him just being dumb… like a child. Oblivious to what was obviously inappropriate. But hey… it’s Mike.
@SolarChildX1
Listen… Im stepping off ihopkc staff And I’m pressing for change. But I implore you to soften your language. This is damaging and painful to all those excellent saints still serving in the day to day. It makes it hard for many to see the reality of what’s happening.
@isierranichole
3. If you call the police, they will tell you that their protocol for bomb threats is to clear the entire room out. When you clarify that it is at IHOPKC, They respond by telling you to talk to ihopkc leadership.
@greg_yande54746
Many on worship teams are now resigning and playing their last sets, so we went out of love and respect for them and honor their last moment in a room we all once called home.
@EricVolz
@andy64052583
When I was a section leader at ihopkc with Samuel Mosley, we did not have meetings and look into things that were dangerous. We just called the police and had the guy arrested.
It’s just hard to process how Mike stood up there without acknowledging any impure, thought or action from what I can remember. Instead, he stood there, and told us that he had never looked at pornography.
@LouisPinne9109
@EricVolz
@ihopkc
There is actual harm to have people praying in public with issues that have not been addressed. We have kicked guys off the entire mission base for far less.
@isierranichole
@EricVolz
The statements regarding the resignations said that they were on good terms with the community/praising their character, implying there are zero issues.This leaves room for them to come & go freely, teaching when they want. That’s why a more honest statement needs to be made.
@SolarChildX1
@bennettisaac
This audio is absurd. Although I can see why leadership would not wanting people comparing notes of what they know and have experienced. That’s too dangerous. And harder to control.
@WChasten80116
😂. . thats flattering, but im not AG.... but I support and stand with them. I copied and pasted Elizabeth Herders post. im just an old man trying to repost.
@SolarChildX1
@Xeno__Poppy__
I’ve quit my job at ihopkc over this and do not have any job offers. I’ve gone on the record with TRR to apply pressure. There are things I just couldn’t see clearly till now. I had so many concerns about Eric’s recent video
Musing with a friend about this idea today over coffee who said there is a distinction between eternal realities and earthy consequences. Mike is trying to separate those, taking the eternal realities and claiming he is not responsible for the earthly.
@EricVolz
@EricVolz
1. my head is spinning. This is honestly insulting to us, because we’ve actually seen the report and were on staff and IHOPU faculty for the years that followed.