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Jedidiah Hartley
@Jedidiahhartley
4 months
1/17🧵In a previous post I wrote generally about how my father, Bob Hartley, who was a major prophetic voice for churches like #IHOP , #Bethel (also #YWAM and harvest rock church), is a complete fraud. In this thread I will begin to share some specifics.
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Jedidiah Hartley
@Jedidiahhartley
4 months
1/🧵I have never known how to address this publicly, but it has become clear that is time for me to speak up My dad, Bob Hartley, who has been an influential prophetic figure in both #IHOPKC and #Bethel church is a complete fraud. His prophetic ministry has always been a con.
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6/over the next few months I will be sharing many of the painful details of my fathers abuse to expose just how dangerous the prophetic con can really be. It breaks my heart to do this, but I have been covering for my dad my entire life and it’s time for the truth to be told.
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2/ For decades his process has been the same. He gets specific information about people, either through online searches, church directories, or most commonly, through conversations with pastors of local churches, and then he pretends as if he is diving this info.
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I alluded to this in a previous posts, but to make it explicitly clear: My father is not just a grifter but a predator. He is actively using the authority he has garnered as a “prophet” to sexually prey on women. Bethel leadership knows about this but is doing nothing!
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5/ However, I believe it’s time for the truth to come out. While many some lives may have changed for the better, my father has used the authority he has garnered from his prophetic ministry to manipulate and abuse people, including his own wife and children.
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3/Several leaders have knowingly enabled this con for decades. Among many, Bob Fraser, former leader of #IHOPKC ’s Joseph company, knew about the grift yet kept encouraging my father’s prophetic ministry, and told me to let it go when I objected.
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4/ For years I did let it go. I knew it was wrong, but I thought it was bringing about good results. Hundreds of people have shared wonderful testimonies to me about my dad’s prophecies changing their lives, and I just never had the heart to tell them the truth.
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@jenniferstull7 I don’t know Chris Reed personally, but from everything I’ve seen of his ministry he seems to be pulling from the same playbook as my father. I would be highly suspicious of him.
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Soon I will be sharing more stories of my father’s “prophetic” grift, but before I do I wish to clarify why I am speaking out: 1/5 I'm exposing the predatory nature of my father’s con to inform those he has manipulated and to warn the communities he continues to prey upon.
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17. I used to plead with him not use prophecy. "Just tell stories" I would urge. He was a great storyteller and I though peoples lives could change for the better just through good stories. But being a storyteller was never enough for him. "They need me to be a prophet."
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Without exaggeration, I have lost several million dollars. My father explicitly stated I wouldn't get "one cent" of my inheritance if I talked publicly about him or Mike Bickle. It is clear @seanfeucht has absolutely no idea the cost of speaking out.
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bytheirfruit
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The projection here. But just for fun, comment how much you’ve made off the ihop scandal policing others, I’ll go first: 0 $. Your turn @seanfeucht pls include all grifts.
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as many are surely asking, yes I do believe at least a few brave women are pressing charges against my father. An extremely difficult thing to do when your own church leaders don’t take you seriously It might take a while, but I do believe my father will face criminal charges.
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16. But I hated it, as did every member of my family. It was deceptive, it was manipulative, and we all hated the side of my father that would come out when he was in "prophetic mode".
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15. According to him, all the prophets did this. It was just their "hamburger helper", a phrase he had gotten from his prophetic mentor and major prophetic figure Bob Jones. A little something extra to spice up their meals.
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11. Something like "I saw you as the Isaiah 60:22 woman. A small one who is becoming strong. *dramatic pause* Does the number 6022 mean anything to you?" A wave of shock would roll over their face and they would say that was the last four digits of their phone number.
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4. When I would press him on these inconsistencies he would become violently angry. But this was just the beginning of things turning sour as, during this time, I also was traveling and ministering with him and this is where I fully got to see his prophetic grift on full display
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Here is a post @MichelleSeidle1 made about my father back at the beginning of the year:
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6. Once he had the list of names he would mine google, facebook, or even the church directory to get specific details about their life; phone numbers, addresses, random facts etc. I caught him doing this on several occasions. But more on that later.
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13. This is what made his words so compelling and why, still to this day, I know hundreds of people who refuse to believe that this prophetic word to them was fabricated. The words were not generic fortune cookie prophecies. They were hand tailored words about their lives.
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3. At first the experience was great. I got to spend time with my father and ask him about his life story. However, once I began writing the book something changed. The narratives of his life began to blur-- his stories never quite adding up.
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I am honestly at a loss. I shouldn’t have to be stating this publicly. Bill Johnson or @kvministries should be the ones publicly addressing this, not me. They are the ones who gave my father a platform, and it’s their community my father is preying upon.
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8. Before his sermon, he would ask leaders about their church members' lives. Their relationships, faith, family, jobs etc. and all the leaders where more than happy to give my dad all the info he would need without them seemingly being aware of what they were doing.
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14. I must have confronted him a dozen times about this. And here's the crazy thing, he never would deny it. He would deny, of course, that this was his entire process. He was still a prophet in his eyes, but he openly admitted that he "got help" from natural sources.
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10. He would call out a name and then hook the individual with a specific detail from his internet search into a prophetic word. Most commonly, he would take strings of numbers from either their address or their phone number and have that correspond to a bible verse.
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12. But hooking them was just the first part, the second part would be the specific word. A word that he pieced together from the intimate knowledge he had gleaned from his previous conversations with the church leaders.
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7. However, pulling details off the internet was only half the grift. Most of the actual content of his prophetic word he would get directly from leaders or from other church members.
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5. We would travel to churches, home groups, youth groups etc. and before each meeting my dad would speak with leaders of the group and ask for names of the congregants so he could "pray over them" before we would minister to the group.
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But they clearly don’t care. So if you are in the Bethel community, please warn your fellow congregants! This issue is extremely serious, and it is clear your senior leadership is doing nothing to protect your community.
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2. I grew up adoring my dad. He had hit bitter flaws, but he was a wonderful storyteller who had lived an unbelievable life. So in my early 20s I decided to write a book about him. "I Hope it's not Hereditary" a tongue in cheek retelling of stories from my dad's childhood.
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9. So when the day came to minister my dad would pull several three ring binders full of his manic notes and place them on the pulpit. He would give a sermon and then he would give prophetic words to people straight from all the information he had written in his notebooks.
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A month ago I sent the following email to Bill Johnson, and Bethel church leadership.
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Jedidiah Hartley
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Over the last several years my father has spoken rather openly to me about, what he called, his “sexual indiscretions”. However it wasn’t until @MichelleSeidle1 came forward publicly that I realized just how horrible his behavior was.
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Jedidiah Hartley
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Since I have spoken out, many women have come to me telling me horrific stories of how my father has used prophecy to get them alone and vulnerable and then sexually assault them. While it pains me to say this about my father, I know these stories are true.
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5/5 The prophets of the charismatic church, my father included, are preying upon their own people. Church leaders know about this, but are only interested in protecting themselves and preserving their power. Something has to change, and this is why I am speaking out.
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I can’t tell you how much is made my skin crawl and my stomach sink to see my father still allowed within a church setting. Much less to see him drunkly speaking with a child. I immediately texted the bethel chief of security:
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Bill Johnson promptly responded to my email, and I got a call from Bethel’s chief of security and I was under the impression they were going to ban my father from the property. Because of this response, I genuinely believed they were taking this seriously. But I was wrong.
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My younger sister sharing a sliver of her own experiences getting pulled in to my dad’s shameless grift. He wasn’t above using his own twelve year old daughter to research for him. Thank you for speaking up Tay!
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Taylor Lynn
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Gathering data for dad’s prophecies was my JOB. He required his kids work for his company and / or ministry since we were kids. My first job at 7 was calling people for donations. At 12 I would spend ten hours a week researching people and writing prophetic words for him.
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4/5 This experience has led me to believe that the structure of leadership within the charismatic community has been built to facilitate the manipulation of its members and hide the predatory behaviors of its leaders.
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A statement by TH, one of the Jane Does who first shared her testimony with the advocacy group regarding Mike Bickle’s predatory behaviors. TH restates the need for a 3rd party investigation as the recent #ihopkc investigation report was “insufficient and woefully misleading”:
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I began hearing that my father was still attending services at Bethel, where he was telling women that he was “a friend of Bill’s” and inviting them over to his house. From my understanding, Bill even saved him a seat at Bethel’s “prophetic conference” just days after my email.
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3/5 I have tried to warn church leaders about the predatory nature of my father, but, over the last year, I have come to the haunting realization that most of them already knew and just don’t seem to care.
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Then two days ago my father posted a video of himself in Bethel’s auditorium. In the video he seems to be under the influence of alcohol, and is speaking to a young child (probably 3 or 4). Im not posting the video out of privacy for the child but here is a screenshot:
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This is one of the most disturbing aspects of the entire saga with #IHOPKC . Leadership in the charismatic community has shown they truly do not care about one of the most prominent voices in their mix grooming and abusing teenage girls. Why is this not shaking them to their core?
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Will Cabrera
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#IHOPKC #MIKEBICKLE Charismatic Figureheads during this scandal. Collect the whole set! Rick "Nothing Burger" Joyner Chris "Lot's Wife" Reed Lou "Me Too" Engle Stephen "Where Does it End" Strang Kris "You Idiots" Vallotton Add more below 👇👇👇
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1/2 I grew up in one of the most radically conservative and religious homeschooled communities in the US. I would say more than 75% of the kids who grew in my sphere (including myself and my siblings) have entirely rejected the rightwing dogma we were force-fed.
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robyn☦️
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@VeryInsig Believe me the homeschool movement is growing there are more kids being homeschooled now than there ever have been
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2/5 My intention is not to embarrass or attack my father, or to sensationalize the manipulative tendencies of the charismatic church. My words do not come from a place of vindictiveness towards my father but from a place of compassion towards the community I grew up in.
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Mike Bickle used prophetic declarations of the death of his wife to manipulate multiple women (including a teenager) for his own sexual exploits. The ELT has known this for months. I want to know why they haven’t addressed this or have told their congregation. #MikeBickle #IHOP
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Honestly though, I have been living way freer without having my inheritance being held over my head. Plus, it was only a matter of time before I lost it anyway. My father constantly was cutting my sisters out when they would set healthy boundaries he didn't like.
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Mike Bickle is a sexual predator who used prophetic declarations about the death of his own wife to groom multiple teenagers including a 14 year old. And if it were not for the bravery for a few women, the rot at the root of ihop might have always remained hidden. #SheWas14
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2/2 Have as many children as you would like, rightwing dogma is just not compelling. And eventually your children will realize the hypocrisy inherent in what you are teaching them and will lose respect for you.
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Without lifting a single word to validate the pain of the victims, Kris rushes to protect and guard Bethel’s “culture of honor”
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Kris Vallotton
@kvministries
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Bethel is a house of restoration, healing, and miracles. We believe “nothing impossible with God,” with our whole heart, which attracts, thousands of people, every year, from all over the world who need a miracle. You will find, hundreds of broken people, in the worst season of
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1/2 This is simply not true. #IHOPKC is, and always has been, an extremely unsafe space, especially for children. People have been saying this for decades. I don’t believe the current IHOP staff like @LennyLaGuardia are going to be able to hear this.
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Jedidiah Hartley
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Furthermore @RealMNchiefsfan , these are the offense DVOA's of the teams we've played: 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 11th, 13th & 22nd. These are the offensive DVOA's of the teams the Patriots have played: 32nd, 31st, 30th, 28th, 26th, 25th, 24th & 4th
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Sean Wagner-McGough
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I don’t want to alarm anyone, but the Chiefs are dangerously close to having a top-10 defense.
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Football Outsiders tracked Josh Allen as having 23 Adj Int vs Mahomes 18 in 2021. Useful to look at when talking to the “Mahomes is just lucky” crowd. @MattVerderame @jbbrisco
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@EricVolz So this testimony suddenly opens your eyes but the previous testimonies of other Jane Does didn't move the needle? There were dozens of clear voices warning of the rot at the root and you absolutely refused to listen and did your best to help IHOP hide everything.
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@bennettisaac Many of us who saw the issues of abuse at the core of ihop were shunned, bullied or silenced when we spoke up. That’s why many of us are no longer community members. We are not some outsiders looking in. We are family who were the first to warn of the cracks in the foundation.
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Since speaking out against the abuse and corruption I’ve seen in the church, I have had a few people attack my character by labeling me “backslidden” And it’s true, I no longer adhere to the central tenants of the charismatic/evangelical church. Does this make me backslidden?
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Every significant prophetic father I’ve had has used their prophetic authority to rape and/or groomed women and children. My own father, Mike Bickle, Paul Cain and Bob Jones. Every single one of them. Yet those darn LGBTQ people that’s the problem, right @lancewallnau ?
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Lance Wallnau
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@MarthaNamie Nope. That's a different issue. My issue is selective outrage and the hypocrisy of those who are “angered and disgusted” by a preachere 35-year-old sin and not by current sins against 11 yr olds by Trans legislation in his own dang backyard!
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Woah, @bennettisaac what are you doing? Just a few months ago we had a conversation where I told you several stories of how both Mike Bickle and Bob Jones explicitly used "prophecy" to sexual abuse young women. You seemed legitimately shook by the story. Was that an act?
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Matthew Hartke
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This morning @ihopkc ’s Isaac Bennett rehashed all the same prophetic BS as his sexual predator mentor Mike Bickle. Watch how he engages in all the same doublespeak (“we’re doing this bc it’s in the word of God”) and manipulation (“we can’t back down from this”). Unconscionable!!!
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I have been watching a lot of Chris Reed and Shawn Bolz recently, and I can say with absolute certainty both of them are pulling from the same playbook my father was using. It is eerie how similar the shtick is. They get information online and pretend as if it is divine.
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Isn't it ironic that Chris Reed, of @morningstarmin , and @shawnbolz , have been caught scouring social media for prophecies but warn others about posting online? Maybe they should reconsider before cutting off their own cash flow. #PropheticIrony
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2/2 so if there is anyway IHOPKC survives this fiasco, they are going to have to find new leaders who are willing to listen and make changes to protect the vulnerable within their midst.
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@hcastanza @kcneros @BobHartley What she is saying is true, and Holden you need to stop defending and enabling a sick and abusive man. @BobHartley has sexually harassed dozens of women. He is constantly sending unsolicited illicit pictures of himself. He is offering money for sex.
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The most signific prophecy in #IHOPKC history was that Pat Bickle (Mike Bickle’s older paraplegic brother) would be healed. It was at the core of every prophetic promise surrounding IHOP. Pat Bickle died in 2007, the “prophetic” history dying alongside him.
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Andrew Bullard
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Let’s talk IHOPKC’s prophetic history. What statement would you say is most accurate?
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Early this year I had a meeting with the new pastor of #ihopkc , Isaac Bennett where I told him the explicit stories of how prophecy was used by Bob Jones, Mike Bickle and Bob Hartley to sexually exploit women. He seemed shook by the conversation and then posted this right after:
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Legitimately, what the hell @bennettisaac ? Have you learned from the “failures of the past” or are you just, once again, burying and ignoring the truth and reaffirming the lies of horrific abusers?
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If @bennettisaac you truly care about the IHOP community, you will listen to those who have been speaking truth since the beginning. IHOP leadership has taught the community to dismiss those “speaking from offense” but really what they were doing were silencing the truth.
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@bennettisaac Many of us who saw the issues of abuse at the core of ihop were shunned, bullied or silenced when we spoke up. That’s why many of us are no longer community members. We are not some outsiders looking in. We are family who were the first to warn of the cracks in the foundation.
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@Joel7Richardson @EricVolz I can confirm this. He was recruiting others to be a part of the Mike Bickle “restoration team” just within the last few weeks. Plus he is presently living with Luke Bickle.
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Yet not once has he publicly spoken about prophetic abuse or sexual abuse. And this morning, I was shocked to see a video of him echoing some of the same “prophetic” propaganda I was fed as a child that propped up Bob Jones and Mike Bickle.
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Here is a link to the official statement:
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Public Statement from TH.pdf

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Furthermore, when churches like Bethel fail to hold abusers accountable, it makes every victim of that abuse feel as if their pain doesn’t matter.
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@therainfreesme This is absolutely heartbreaking. You are extremely brave for coming forward and I’m just so, so sorry.
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Does this make me backslidden? For some, yes. But I’m proud of my journey. I know it was empathy and reason that led me to leave the charismatic church. If people want to criticize me for this, so be it. I know who I am, and I know what guides me.
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For those wanting to read more details here is a thread about his process:
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1/17🧵In a previous post I wrote generally about how my father, Bob Hartley, who was a major prophetic voice for churches like #IHOP , #Bethel (also #YWAM and harvest rock church), is a complete fraud. In this thread I will begin to share some specifics.
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@Calebculver @NFL @RollingStone @KansasCity Answering this fully would require a much longer conversation, but I will start by quickly addressing what I mean by "violent misogyny", and how this was always at the core of IHOP. IHOP was constantly villainizing female autonomy using the same deeply moral and spiritual
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By presenting Bethel as a place of healing, Kris is minimizing the role Bethel has had in my father’s rise to power. My father never sought out Bethel in order to find healing, but to grow in power and authority.
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@EricVolz @EricVolz , please refer to Bob Hartley by his full name and not just 'Mr. Hartley'.
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@DarrenHibbs This is a hard question to answer. I know he certainly got worse over the years, especially when he began ministering at bethel, but I think he was drawn to Bob Jones and the KC prophets because they encouraged his grandiose delusions. So I don’t think it was ever genuine.
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If I had to identify the most dangerous aspect of the cult I was raised in, I would, without a doubt, say it was the violent culture of misogyny that festered within the leadership. I am writing a longer explanation of this, but I figured I would repost this in the meantime.
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@Calebculver @NFL @RollingStone @KansasCity Answering this fully would require a much longer conversation, but I will start by quickly addressing what I mean by "violent misogyny", and how this was always at the core of IHOP. IHOP was constantly villainizing female autonomy using the same deeply moral and spiritual
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@MatthewHartke @BobHartley was the first person who ever told me Mike Bickle prophesied about the death of his wife way back in the 1980s. He himself has directly confirmed much of the damning evidence against Mike.
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@cook_iain It has been verified. Multiple witnesses have independently testified the same prophecy. I myself heard an account of the prophecy before I ever spoke to anyone in the ag group. I don’t know of a single leader close to the situation who is actually doubting these claims.
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Several years ago, I decided that I had no interest in worshipping the God that my father and my spiritual fathers spoke about. A god I very much believe they created in their own image. A god of anger, pride, jealousy and hatred.
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@starcazm Just a small clarification, TH broke up with Mike because her mother didn’t like the age gap between the two, and TH felt bad about her relationship with Mike.
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In my desire to be a well reasoned “man of God”, I began stumbling on realizations that would eventually lead to me leaving the church. I found cruel and abusive leaders, I found principles built on lies meant only to preserve power. I found hypocrisy, immorality and delusion.
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@EricVolz @Rpanozzo88 “In my opinion” yeah this is the problem, your opinion on all of this has been biased as hell. Time to start listening to people who actually know what they are talking about.
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I have spent my entire life studying the core beliefs and leaders of the charismatic church. In my journey of faith, I was devout, dedicated, and curious. I was a good Christian, who wanted to be a good member of my community, and a “good and faithful” servant to the lord.
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Imagine distrusting the government and every media institution, but believing and worshiping a billionaire, thrice divorced serial cheating, reality star turned politician, convicted felon, conman.
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@BeckHassen Imagine believing anything the government or the media tell you.
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@carlthomas My name is Jedidiah Hartley and I stand by every brave voice that is speaking truth about IHOP Who are you Carl Thomas? Where were you when Mike Bickle, Bob Jones and Bob Hartley were using prophecy to groom and abuse young women? Do you have any idea the pain IHOPKC has caused?
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@Calebculver @NFL @RollingStone @KansasCity It’s wild to me that you were apart of a literal cult that used “family values” to obscure blatant and violent misogyny, yet you don’t see how what Butker is saying is dangerous.
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@EvensocomeLRD @StrongClan5 @EricVolz @EricVolz was actively involved and not merely an advisor. From my understanding Volz was there in the room when Rosalee interviewed TH’s ex husband.
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Woman says IHOPKC founder groomed, sexually abused her when she was 14 in the 1980s

The allegations, which some say are the most damning to surface yet about the well-known charismatic ministry leader and come after four decades of silence, are the first claims that involve sexual...

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@natecdrums Well he told the first Jane Doe specifically that Diane Bickle was going to die in an earthquake in saint Luis way back in the mid 1980s. Princess Dianas death is just a thing that happened a decade later which he used to bolster the prophecy
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@PunisherImmrtal @MatthewHartke @BobHartley Can I get a written confirmation of what I have heard my own father told me? I am giving you a first hand account of what I heard with my own ears. I am the confirmation.
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@ChandiHeenan I assure you, I posted this with the full support of TH.
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It is wild. I thought my father's con was blatant, but Reed and Bolz aren't even trying to hide it. They "prophecy" while directly pulling information off of their tablets. I'm certain church leaders know what they are doing, yet they allow them to perform their grift anyway.
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Also, for what it’s worth, I have never met a single trans person who transitioned before adulthood nor anyone who has expressed any type of transition regret. I could not even count the amount of people I’ve met who have been sexually assaulted by a Christian leader.
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Also, one of my father's old assistants who did data mining for my father's prophetic con, went to work directly for Bolz after working for my father. I wasn't behind the scenes in Bolz ministry but I always suspected this individual was doing the same data mining for Bolz.
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@Calebculver @NFL @RollingStone @KansasCity Also, you saying that IHOP didn't actually impress upon us actual "family values" is literally the point. People ought not be defining what another's family ought to look like. Who is Butker to say what my family should look like? Who are you, Caleb, to criticize and talk about
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@hcastanza @Joel7Richardson @TrishaCwir @BobHartley This post was not written by my dad, doesn’t sound anything like him. He also knows better than anyone that the Jane Doe accounts are true. He was the one who first told me about Mike prophesying the death of Dianne. Why he’s lying to protect Mike is beyond me
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@realprophetguy @candiceteets I really appreciate you everything youre saying here. Why would we stay in a faith where, like the children of Job, we are nothing more than collateral damage?
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