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Ancient Mediterranean historian, @CalPolyPomona . History, the human past (those 2 aren't the same), politics, some baseball. Views here not of my institution.

Pomona, CA

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David J. DeVore

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YES! "In scholarship full accuracy & full depth are an ideal occasionally approached but never quite realized, certainly not by any one person....But in our corporate strivings, as together we seek always to know more, and always to know better." Samuel Sandmel, "Parallelomania"

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@AmericanaAesth Symbols are inherently subjective. Objectively, the Confederate States of America were insurrectionist traitors.

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@yourauntemma @gtconway3d Professional historian here. We consult experts in other disciplines all the time. And Trump administration actions obviously demand psychological explanation.

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@KevinMKruse @JoshMandelOhio @BerniceKing @AlvedaCKing Oh, pretty sure Mandel isn't clueless. Just scared. And so responding with false outrage.

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@davidfrum @natfrum "Washington has always been a loser! Surrendered on his knees & BEGGED for mercy at Fort Necessity! Had to retreat from Long Island @ night! Troops SHIVERED in the ICE @ Valley Forge. Could only take Trenton bc Hessians were drunk. SAD! Promote Ben Arnold! Much smarter leader!"

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@asymmetricinfo “Extra-gentle media treatment that he got”?Obama *was* exceptionally scandal-free, & took plenty of criticism e.g. for slow Econ recovery, rising national debt, , downballot Dem losses, ISIS emergence, & the Ebola panic. So genuinely curious re your metric.

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@KyleSeraphin I've met dozens of white supremacists personally. They went to my high school & college. I've worked with them. And I've lived all but four years of my life in California.

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This guy didn’t read the second line of the Iliad. Achilles’ rage is literally called self-destructive, wounding his own side ten thousand times.

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@HughAkston0 @KatiePhang "Maga Carta" is a hell of a Freudian Slip!🤣🤣🤣

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@latinedisce @BretDevereaux Potes legere, Disce? “*Martial* manliness.” Virilitas isn’t about masculinity as demonstrated in war per the Forcelini entry. You’ve inadvertently substantiated Dr. Devereaux’s point.

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@Liz_Wheeler You haven't seen the search warrant yet. Maybe you want to wait before saying things like this.

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@JonathanTurley Why don't you represent Trump pro bono, counselor? Oh right--you know what kind of client he is but won't say it bc telling the full truth about Trump's lawlessness & narcissism would upset your readers.😏

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@katiedimartin *screamed* at a grad student for 10 minutes? WTF does that?!

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Tell me you don't know anything about Roman history without telling me you don't know anything about Roman history.

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The Roman Republic was characterized by virtue. When virtue was lost, the Republic was lost. They could not keep it. Can we keep ours?

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@SIfill_ A clown show whose leaders have been found guilty of seditious conspiracy.

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3 years

@ncweaver @conor64 @Popehat Not Orange County or San Diego anymore. San Diego has now turned blue even in North County. Most Orange County congresspeople are now Dems--hell, Katie Porter won decisively in Irvine last election. The CA GOP is now an inland party.

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@beinlibertarian @GeorgeTakei 1. Do you really assume that political parties' coalitions & ideologies stay constant over time? 2. Did Republicans in World War II protest the internment camps?

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Yes! Zelensky gets it. The #Thermopylae stand story is a total lie, a retcon of a largescale military disaster for the supposed master polis of Aegean Greece. The legend needs to die, now.

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“I don’t want Ukraine’s history to be a legend about 300 Spartans. I want peace.” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky addresses his country in the face of the Russian invasion.

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@Stripey @caroltracy8 @gijoe6pack And are often right.

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@latinedisce @BretDevereaux You: (1) obv put virilitas into the context of martial prowess (something Dr. Devereaux is an expert in) w your silly pic, (2) didn’t show Virilitas was admirable (neither of Forcelini’s refs prove this), & (3) showed some really thin skin w yr “this will not stand!” whining.😂

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@JustinWolfers @JDVance1 I'd hope a Yale Law graduate like Vance can read the footnotes.

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@darinweed Have you ever talked to academics outside elite institutions? The vast majority of us aren't from elite backgrounds (& even those who are professors' kids--a good minority--didn't have privileged backgrounds since--surprise!--non-elite academics don't earn high salaries).

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@ssharmaUS He's an adjudicated rapist, serial liar, & convicted felon, but go on.

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@Cernovich You lie. FBI didn’t hide laptop. They didn’t leak. Not the same. Lots of possible reasons to see situation as a threat. We don’t know enough to know why. FBI didn’t order laptop suppressed. Lots of media reported on it after third party leaked. Again: you lie.

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@NoahCRothman Most car buyers are someone’s employee.

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@jonathanchait Freezing up is normal, yes, when an interviewer throws a curveball. But this is an obvious question about a very hot topic & one that is very close to her areas of public advocacy & writing. Sorry: she needs to at least think on her feet about the components of the concept.

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@RachelBitecofer Fani Willis is an absolute badass.

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@RussellJohnston @BretDevereaux Coda: there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there about Christians destroying classical texts. Most classical texts were lost simply out of disuse, as copying was expensive & texts weren't preserved unless seen as esp. valuable. 4/

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@unscriptedmike @JonathanTurley Except that Pecker, Hicks, Howard, Trump’s personal assistant, recordings, emails, & documents are all going to corroborate Cohen. And the best Trump has is…Trump, a bigger, more consistent serial liar than Cohen.

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@JonathanTurley Fine. We don’t normally commemorate the horses of insurrectionist traitors.

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@madrid_mike And Johnson is a walking, talking attack ad.

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@lawofruby Moreover, can we trust a word Trump says anyway?

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@JeffreyASachs It's spreading to Canada.😡

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When you get a PhD in Ancient History Thucydides rises from the grave & says a tortuous sentence no one can understand.

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when you get a phd in religion Max Müller rises from the grave and probably says something excessively racist

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@theo_nash Greeks & Romans were Mediterranean, not European. Both lived in Europe, Asia, & Africa. And both had more in common w Phoenicians & Egyptians than either had in common w ancient Germans or Britons. “Europe” is an anachronistic, teleological, misleading frame for studying them.

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@Urbanite107 @BarbMcQuade ^^McQuade dissects Durham claim. Urbanite just quotes dissected claim again. 🤣

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@Acyn “Will deport people here legally”? That’s…a violation of the presidential oath.

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@JRubinBlogger @Matt_Seligman @gtconway3d @tribelaw @thetrevorpotter Cannon's doing the same thing as Trump: delay, delay, delay in hope of Trump getting elected & making the trial go away.

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@theo_nash There's simply no non-anachronistic reason to separate ancient Mediterranean & Middle-Eastern languages & linked cultures from one another. If our Greek & Latin spades are going to be in the same toolbox, so should the Egyptian & Hebrew spades.

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@mtracey Democracy isn’t a cliché. It’s a palpable, measurable political system. Ukraine has it, albeit imperfectly. Putin wants to end that.

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@imillhiser Gorsuch is supposed to be relatively sensitive to Native Americans. I suspect they'd disagree w this.

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@SamuliGloersen @_JakubJanda Ancient Mediterranean historian here. Delian League actually did attack plenty of nonmembers. Persian lands in Anatolia to 460s. Egypt in 450s. Peloponnesian League in 450s & 431-404. Cyprus ca. 450. Syracuse in 415.

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@andrewhmoses We can learn something from how mutually supportive opposing female teams can be.

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This.👇💯%. As a historiographer, I'll say: Thucydides may report accurate info, but -selects which info to include/exclude -can hasten/slow the narrative -can sequence events as he wishes -implies arbitrary causal lines/analogies -can choose which actors' perspectives to adopt.

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Well, maybe we need to spell this out. A narrative version of a true story *still uses literary devices.* Reading something as literature implies nothing about the truth or falsehood of a story, let alone its importance. So for example, you can talk about characterization in the

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@ggreenwald @TuckerCarlson @RandPaul @TulsiGabbard @LulaOficial Why do you have to lie about Zelensky's requests? He didn't request endless war support; he requested enough support to defeat Russia.

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@benryanwriter Their "findings" would probably be shown to be pretty innocuous. That's what tech journalists like Kara Swisher are saying.

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@MuellerSheWrote A rule Comey broke in Hillary Clinton’s email case. Twice.

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@ggreenwald Perfect test case for your thesis: Putin withdraws from Ukraine. Why not encourage that?

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Ancient Mediterranean historian here. Unlike this dude, I do read Greek. Even if "complicated" is an insult (which I dispute)... Odysseus deserved to be insulted. Many post-Homeric Greeks thought so. Odysseus is a villain more often than not in post-Homeric Greek narratives.

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Wilson also strays from the Greek, but not artfully. It's awful. She opens like so: “Tell me about a complicated man.” She just can’t help insulting Odysseus… in the first line. It won’t be the first time!

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@ByronYork After they prosecuted him in the first place & got a felony conviction. Not exactly soft in crime, Yorkie.

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@RachelBitecofer Any chance Dems could do the same in Maine?

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@JonathanTurley It’s also hardly a high crime or even misdemeanor, Prof. Turley.

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@davidfrum Chart doesn't show that poor health predicted Trump voting. It predicted _movement toward_ Trump voting. The chart shows not the function, but its derivative.

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@RachelBitecofer We moved from CA to IN for my first academic job. I liked it there ok. But when I got a t/t in CA...no question we were going back even w our rent more than doubling.

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@StrikePac @clairecmc TBF, hard to be worse than Sessions, Whittaker, Barr, or Alberto Gonzalez. But this moment does call for a hero, not a caretaker.

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@ByronYork I’m old enough to remember 1998, when Clinton’s impeachment strategy involved visibly, conspicuously focusing on his job as president.

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@JoeTalkShow @mcuban 🤣🤣Cuban would reject both Biden & Trump from SharkTank--Biden bc entrepreneurship isn't a fit for his skillset, & Trump bc he's a liar, fraud, cheat, & criminal whose only skill is convincing marks that he's a business genius.

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Ancient historian here. "The Sparta of democracies" is an oxymoron. Sparta was an oligarchic surveillance state.

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This encapsulates what I admire about Israel, the Sparta of the democracies.

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@nrduford Yeah--really didn't need to announce this himself, let alone specify the charge or put the pronouns in scare quotes. Sounds like he has really thin skin, esp. about mere saliva.

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@declanpgarvey One reply, from David Frum: "What is a vote for? Is it an instrument to advance an ideology? An expression of your individual principles and beliefs?" For me, the vote is an instrument.

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Lucian. He wrote not only How to Write History, but the one & only True History.

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Who is your favorite ancient Roman historian?

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@ChristinaPushaw @GavinNewsom @GovRonDeSantis @CNN Your boss is a coward. He won't go into any public space where he can't control the narrative. Just as he won't challenge Trump.

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@bisbee_r @davidfrum @ggreenwald He has twice as many Twitter followers as Frum.

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@naomirwolf You have a doctorate & don’t know that “disciple” & “learner” are synonymous?🤨

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@d_jamesaust @tlecaque Roman historian here. No. There are no glorious empires. All exploit & dehumanize.

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@KelemenCari You left off: Trump company bankruptcies: 6 Trump Org. crimes — 17 Trump execs who are convicted felons: 2 2020 election — 82.3 million

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Really? Academia is run by pro-capitalist centrists in the top positions & often have regent boards full of conservatives. It's the foot soldiers that lean left, sure, but we don't say that corporations are run by their factory workers.

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It always shocks me when higher Ed, institutions basically run by progressives from top to bottom, filled with progressive students, can’t manage to get rid of legacy admissions despite it literally only serving as a privilege preserver. That’s what it’s for!

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@gtconway3d @JohnnyFontane1 And unlike most of the GOP, you came to acknowledge it, publicly, & put country first by working to reverse the damage. Credit where due.

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@WalshFreedom If IDs were free & convenient to get I’d be for voter ID. But the requirement is usually written precisely because they’re not so—&the IDs accepted usually tilt toward GOP blocs (e.g. military IDs ok, student IDs not).

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@McFaul Navalny had been successful in puncturing Putin’s awe-striking image?

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@AnnaMargaretAp1 Ratio'ed. Deserved. Bc Ashli Babbitt died committing a violent felony & disobeying a police order.

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@JRubinBlogger Meadows is a walking Hatch Act violation.

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@elander777 @mcuban Third parties never win in the US (or in other presidential, single-election systems). If you vote third party, you're expressing dissatisfaction, not effecting change.

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@asymmetricinfo @Runner110988 Does that matter if they’re both public figures & plagiarism is bad enough to warrant scrutiny of public figures? Honest question from a fellow-member of Team Academic Integrity.

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@gelliottmorris True! But Biden's probably going to win NE-1 & AZ.

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@Cernovich Actual ancient historian here. It is a myth. Exhibit A: the Spartans got their @$$ kicked at Thermopylae. It wasn’t a glorious stand. It was a catastrophe. Reference:

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When you know the Humanities have hit peak "Companion" publication: there's now a Brill's Companion to *Bodyguards* in the Ancient Mediterranean.

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@asymmetricinfo Thanks for replying. Correct, but WADR I’d say Obama being normal scandal-wise requires more than just a tweet. Historians IME do take media biases into account & are finding Obama to be scandal-light. Have you written or would you cite a piece that disagrees?

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@jpodhoretz Someone’s sore that George Conway owned him.

George Conway (@gtconway3d) on X

President and Executive Director of @PsychoPAC24, the Anti-Psychopath Political Action Committee. President, @chkbal. Contributor, @TheAtlantic.

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@BobMaistros @davidfrum @TheAtlantic ^^Avoids engaging in facts.

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@vexedinthecity And especially after a Black woman became VP in 2020.

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@tlecaque My reply.

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@ada_lluch You've never read a history of Europe between Charlemagne and the Thirty Years War.

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@YossiGestetner @MaroonWendi @kaitlancollins It’s both. FBI had probable cause. And found proof of a crime (which is why you’re not saying Trump’s innocent).

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@Calthalas Exactly correct. As one proof-text, I give you Eusebius, Demonstratio Evangelica 8.1.38:

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@WalshFreedom I don't see the blue-run states expelling Republicans from the legislature or suppressing votes.

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@TomBevanRCP There are so many crimes, any conviction & punishment will be good.

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@QuinHillyer @NormOrnstein How did installing Mike Johnson as speaker or voting for this sham impeachment inquiry serve the public well?

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@FischerKing64 You got one thing right--what people said about Thomas didn't change his decisions. But his corruption--his billionnaire sugar daddy & insurrectionist wife? Probably did.

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@silvertown88 @BretDevereaux Not at all. 1. Opened archives or archaeological discoveries reveal insider information all the time. 2. The physical sciences add relevant physical knowledge regularly. 3. Previously accepted data regularly gets disproven—that is, some facts become unfactual.

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@BretDevereaux Scholar of early Christianity here. She's just lying.

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@lrozen Yup. Also people are aware Trump lies & won’t accept election results.

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@girlsreallyrule Doug Jones has a pretty good record on speaking truth to power and on courage in office. And if DOJ is to investigate the Trump administration or esp. Trump himself, Jones, unlike Yates, wasn't fired by Trump & so has no apparent personal bias.

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@RussellJohnston @BretDevereaux Given that the vast majority of classical texts were lost, it's actually striking how many zealously pagan texts did get preserved--e.g. Aristotle's divine-minimizing Physics, Julian's anti-Christian works, Iamblichus' classifications of pagan divinities.

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@RachelBitecofer Disagree respectfully. Voters from center to left want the rule of law. They don’t want police abuses. Rejecting *all* law-enforcement experience across the board seems like a sop to the far left.

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Odysseus was a rapist, a plunderer, & a liar. He got lucky that he had the (as Plato charged, immoral) gods on his side. Not a model to be emulated. To cite another Great Book: Dante put Odysseus very low in hell for a reason.

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Classical education, formerly known as simply “education”, inspires young people to live lives of heroic virtue. If we want young men to act like Odysseus, they need to hear the story.

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@asallach @MLAT07167996 @GOP TR prosecuted monopolies & founded the FDA & national park system. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. And the other 2: slaveholders, which isn't exactly libertarian by any definition that respects human equality. So, no.

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Seriously? Historians are damn good at explaining events. And Trump administration actions are very transparent and easy to explain.

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Future historians will simply not be able to explain the behavior @PeterAtlantic witnessed in the White House today:

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@renato_mariotti That Trump's committed yet another felony?

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@joanwalsh Gotta welcome repentant converts.

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@katiedimartin And *no one intervened*?! WTF?!

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