@HousingSpock
Funny....A Single Detached Home is the most environmentally friendly way to house a family in 2024 over their lifetime.
No only are Taller Cities less affordable but they are also cause far greater environmental harm.
@_ChicagoV_
You realize those new starter homes were 3BR/1BA, 1,000SF on 3,000-4,000SF lot?
Which is NOT something a lot of my buyers are willing to "settle" for.
The community garden discourse is largely driven by people who have no idea how few calories one can produce from a small plot of land, nor the amount of labor it takes to produce it. The output from modern industrial agriculture is a miracle compared to what farming used to be.
Me: People should park their cars at suburban stations and take a train when going into the city.
Them: Oh yeah, well what if I live in the mountains?
???
Most of us grew up in houses this size. It amazes me that young couples all feel they need a house ten times this size to start out in. No wonder there is a housing crisis in this country. Drive by any new developments and you never see economical houses this size being built.
What struck me the most when I visited Tokyo was that it was a city that had made homebuilding such a priority that anyone of any profession could afford to live and work there. It's a severe failure of housing policy when people are being priced out of major economic centers.
@HousingSpock
@primediscussion
Plus, what new condos/apartments going up around me have granite countertops, high end appliances, soaking tubs, water views, etc. Those aren't starter homes.
@HousingSpock
Why is HK restrictive?
Tokyo's a YIMBY wet dream. It's not exactly a well known tourist destination. People go to Europe to experience the lifestyle there. Here's how to achieve that here, sustainably, more affordably, more people out of their cars sooner:
One of my favorite aspects of Tokyo is how none of the buildings match. Each one is its own individual creation, built to its own height and expressing its own style.
@conor64
A lot of “working class” people in America are working to not eventually have to rent an apartment. Upzoning largely owner-occupied single-family neighborhoods decreases the supply and increases the price of what working class people are working towards.
New apartments aren't expensive because of granite countertops or luxury finishes. New apartments are expensive because they're scarce and highly sought-after. If you want the average person to afford new apartments then keep building new apartments until they become the average.
DUIs should be given out aggressively for drunk driving. The core issue is that you shouldn't need to drive to go out for drinks. Urban planning should allow for more dense walkable neighborhoods with mass transit so you can easily get to a bar and back home without a car.
@Empty_America
@egoyle4u
A big part of this is aggressive DUI policing. You used to be able to drove home a little tipsy, or even smashed.
Now, there is so much greater social stigma and such harsh punishment for DUI, i'm sure its curbed nightlife for people who don't live in a campus.
@HousingSpock
This is the problem with the colonizer mindset.
The more people you concentrate in an area, the more resources have to be concentrated to that area.
It also increases the strain on every aspect of the environment.
The YIMBY world is actually the OPPOSITE of what we really want. What we really want is a proper house, with grass in the backyard. Or at least something green.
And that's why I'm proposing GIMBYism.
The anti-nuclear movement derailed a future of abundant carbon-free energy and ensured we'd have global warming; and the environmental movement downzoned everything in the 70s, creating today's housing crisis (and it's hard to have kids when you can't afford the room for them).
@Slatzism
Boomers started the woman's movement, the environmental movement the anti nuke movement. They also had kids which apparently current young don't want. So how do you say they weren't concerned with future?
@HousingSpock
This is shortsightedness. But then greedy developers will build 100 apartments on the island and wipe off the entire nature. 100 houses have backyards with trees.
@Jeffinatorator
@AleRigolon
NIMBYs always bring up infrastructure. I run a LWV speaker series about infrastructure.
Sewage guy: declining flows & ensuing sewage gases are a problem
Water supply mgr: Water conservation increases pipe residence time; we flush water away for safety
Both: infill would help
"Housing in Tokyo is cheap because it's cheap."
People will really say anything to not acknowledge that density is another way to add housing supply into a market.
@HousingSpock
@ryaninstapleton
I suspect the reason housing is cheap in Tokyo is because housing is cheap in Tokyo. It's a huge market, and a developer who jacked prices would get nowhere. It doesn't mean increasing density in an expensive market would cause prices to fall.
The extravagances of modern life have been made readily affordable through mass production and economies of scale. It's only housing that we've chosen to not apply these benefits to, opting instead to make housing an artificially scarce hand-me-down sold for top-dollar.
Gen Xer here to solve the debate.
Boomers bought homes using a smaller percentage of their incomes.
BUT....
Millennials and Gen Z have WAY higher standards and aren't willing to "settle." They also live a much more extravagant "normal" lifestyle than most Boomers ever did.
Tokyo is a very visceral demonstration of how it's totally possible to have cities that are safe, clean, vibrant, walkable, and where anyone in any profession can afford their own place without roommates.
Convinced that part of why countries like Japan are able to more easily build housing is because the Evil Developer caricature isn't really a thing. Building stuff is just a normal economic activity that people do.
Worldly Wednesday 🌏
Any 2-story rowhouse in Tokyo, the owner can operate a restaurant, boutique, or small workshop on the ground floor.
That gives the city an incredible supply of potential unique microspaces that are affordable for entrepreneurs.
Ottawa should legalize this.
If my kids could afford to live near me, everyone could afford to live near me, and I don't want everyone living near me
This problem will never be solved until we restore freedom of association
People being priced out of cities is actually a very modern phenomenon caused by major cities adopting Slow Growth policies and restrictions on multi-family housing throughout the 1970s. People have historically migrated to areas of high economic opportunity (not out from them).
@seattletimes
When you can't afford to live in your chosen location, YOU MOVE.
It's how people have survived for aeons! I'm a Hawaii native. Was never going to afford a home, so I left. It's what sane people do.
@p1huycke
@HousingSpock
1. I think if you really want to lower carbon emissions you have do other things.
2. The healthiest place to live is places with lots of trees.
3. I support rail systems.
@HousingSpock
First off, SF having hundreds of thousands more people in it is not a good thing.
Second, cost will go up regardless, because the amount of housing has nothing to do with rising prices, prices go up because of lack of government regulation to prevent it.
The government needs to stop propping up homeownership as the primary form of personal wealth building. We should encourage people to invest in the S&P 500 to build wealth while making housing a cheap and abundant commodity.
If the problem with younger generations not being able to afford housing was because they were prioritizing new cars and designer watches, then *housing prices would reflect that* by decreasing in response to lessened demand.
@JonSmit72519389
@WayneRo11785584
Maybe if they deferred some of those trips/the expensive new car/designers watches, handbags etc. they'd be able to afford a house.
But no appetite for deferring any indulgences.
@byJoshuaDavis
@collin_ruth89
It’s impossible to have enough good paying jobs for 50,000 people to just all be able to walk to. There is no way to have wealth that concentrated. There aren’t, enough services to provide in a 15 minute radius to sustain that many employees.
This needs to be added to our signage bylaws as ILLEGAL. This isn't a pot shop, it's a brand-new resto/bar in the Entertainment District. Yet, they've totally frosted their windows for ads so you can't see in or out. An affront to the city and the last place I'd take my business.
Mike, chair of the local Sierra Club chapter in Half Moon Bay, speaking about a 100% affordable housing development for farmworkers, raises a concern shared by all environmentalists of his generation: where will we park our cars?
Mike continues: this is complicated. There may be a project here. I don't think it's exactly this one in front of you. Maybe it is, maybe you can use your skills to rationalize accepting it. But there are a lot of questions. Like parking, and whether there's enough of it.
@SmackTrout
@vb_jens
The marketplace, not zoning, determines housing supply. Note Vancouver has only produced half of its Provincial quota. Why? Interest rates, shortage of skilled labour, higher construction costs... Nothing to do with zoning.
I genuinely believe that people think that the natural state of a city is to look mostly the same forever and that driving into these frozen cities from single-family suburbs is how things have always been. That these things are why housing is now expensive breaks people's minds.
"I suffered, and so should you!" is such a toxic mentality. Have you ever considered that maybe there should have been more housing built so that you could have afforded some privacy when you were younger?
@Ericmanynumbers
@selliot__
@nikillinit
I think young people are a bit entitled. I spent my young years in a two bedroom split between five guys. Young people would scoff at a situation like that today.
@constans
@HousingSpock
Hundreds of American cities were founded after New York City.
Precisely zero of them matched the density of NYC.
People don't want density.
@netripy
You're then leaving one of the largest centers of economic opportunity in the world. The solution isn't to tell people to move somewhere else, but to change housing policies so that today's starter homes (townhomes and condos) can be built more abundantly in these places.
I truly couldn't care less if you think the apartment that I live in is a "featureless box" from the outside. Not every building needs to be an award-winning visual masterpiece. Just let people build housing.
@HousingSpock
@drivethrudracul
So housing people in featureless boxes seems alright to you? I’m not saying everyone needs a castle but I shouldn’t have to clarify that for my point to come across.
The per-capita impact of every individual person needing to drive a personal car to get around a low-density environment is higher than people being able to walk around a high-density environment while resources are trucked in.
@HousingSpock
No they're not. There's inevitable waste in transporting stuff across long distances, which means the further people live from the origin of the natural resources they consume, the more needs to be taken out at the origin.
@luchuubit
@ne0liberal
It's not that Japanese housing is inherently disposable, but that cities like Tokyo build so much new housing so freely that artificial scarcity isn't driving up the cost of older housing over time. When there's always newer housing to move into, old housing has little value.
The Coalition for a Livable Alexandria, a newly formed group, just wrapped a press conference this evening outside City Hall on the city’s “Zoning for Housing” initiative.
They are challenging what they call an “accelerated timeline” this fall on major rezonings.
You can see when hens started laying expensive luxury eggs and what that did to the average egg price. It was only after hens started laying affordable eggs that the average price came back down.
@buttersaurous
I love explaining how averages work, and the way adding numbers at the high end makes the average higher.
Still doesn't register with so many, because if it did, their dreams would deflate with their commercial real estate bonds.
@CMac474
I think there's a difference between downtown being expensive and an entire peninsula being expensive. How soon until we say "Oh, you can't just start out in California! You have to buy in a cheaper State first."
@HousingSpock
@TheOmniZaddy
@amoralorealis
So any rezoning of nearby land is fine. Why not a refinery? Why not a sewage treatment plant? Zoning is a concept whereby ��the neighborhood plan” is known by all parties in advance. REzoning is unfair to those who invested in properties, made improvements, planted trees, etc
Mark got priced out of San Francisco but was able to afford a unit in a luxury tower in Oakland because the city has been doing a decent job building housing these last few years. We should keep building more towers so that more people like Mark can afford to live in them.
Houston is broke, but so are some of the richest cities in Silicon Valley.
What do they have in common? Not politics. Not governance.
It's the development pattern. The way they build their places has made them insolvent. 1/
@HousingSpock
@mccue
Yeah, that independence idealism is totally a commie tendency, aimed at the heart of the family unit. “Sensible” city design is agenda 21 nonsense.
Those aren't luxuries *in Tokyo* because Tokyo builds so much new housing those items are now standard and expected. If you're a renter in San Francisco or NYC, those are absolutely luxury additions only found in scarce new units.
I keep thinking about how much better San Francisco would be if it would:
1) Let people build multi-level commercial buildings with small, intimate units like Tokyo.
2) Reduce the red tape with opening up a new bar/restaurant/shop in those units.
While American cities full of 1950s tract housing are busy blocking development by abusing historical preservation, Kyoto, an actually historic city, is busy building up. Individual buildings of significance can be preserved without turning entire cities into museums.
California has squandered so much potential by consistently failing to allow enough new housing. High labor costs are now resulting in jobs being transitioned out to cheaper States.
On net, California has now lost **all** of the tech-sector jobs it gained during the boom of 2021/2022.
The state now has fewer tech jobs than it did pre-pandemic.
Japan's housing policies (which have been heavily liberalized and streamlined to allow tall, dense construction nearly everywhere) are the gold standard. More people than ever are buying brand new housing *in their 20s* 🤯
Brilliant Nikkei analysis that shows how more young Japanese under 30 than ever before are buying their own homes, as their salaries are increasingly, they’ve only ever seen prices rise and expect them to rise further.
Puts paid to so much of the misery you see on this site.
There were those in 1970s San Francisco who feared that unchecked development would turn the city into a "luxury city" and threaten to price out the working class. It fought to put all new development under a central planning regime, and won. Years later, here's the result.
San Francisco has to have some of the worst income inequality in the entire country. Two neighboring census tracts have median incomes nearly TEN TIMES different than each other (25k and 239k)
@IDoTheThinking
I'd rather we make mass transit a pleasant experience for more people by not ignoring people who do this, having an attendant ask them to stop, and ejecting them from the transit system if they refuse.
Why is it illegal? Currently District 3 does not allow for "Flexible Retail," which is the combination of 2 uses. In this case, a general retail (bookstore) and limited restaurant (coffeeshop).
District 3 was intentionally carved out of a new Flexible Retail law passed in 2018.