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Tudou

@tudou_mi

4 years

Hopefully these are better quality??

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// hsr 2.3 cutscene spoilers Guns and roses / argenthill dynamic is fucking hilarious bc WDYM BOOTHILL WAS SLOWLY PULLING OUT HIS GUN DURING THIS SCENE FKSKDK Oh he’s had it with Argenti fr and they just met

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Tudou

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And then ya’ll wonder why ppl who enjoy the original CN voice overs for CN media push so hard for ppl to give the original voices a chance- it’s cuz this is what the average “normie” sentiment looks like

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3 years

Thread of the mistranslation of Kaeya’s English description calling him “exotic” and the bigger issue with genshin English translations in general

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@tudou_mi

3 years

(Rant) I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again lmao- the general perception of zhongli’s character amongst the western player base and the Chinese player base are practically polar opposites at this point for reasons like ppl not reading, to even toxic masculinity of all things

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2 months

Boothill trailer’s English localization going with “just kiddin fudgehead” is really funny but the line in Chinese being “I’m just kidding, babe” is really doing things to me 🫠🫠😭💕

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@tudou_mi

3 years

This picture is so funny (0 is slang for “bottom” in the CN fandom)

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Westerners getting ahold of Asian media and consuming it while simultaneously shitting all over the culture of the country it comes from and shoving their own views on it while not realizing it /was not made to appeal to them/ is just modern day colonialism idc

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

3 years

dOnT fEMiNiZE zHoNGLi The doods not even a man. Hes an adeptus who’s taken many forms, including that of a woman before. His exuvia is a mix of dragon and female qilin. Just because he’s in the form of a man right now doesn’t mean that hes strictly bound to that gender identity

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Deep dive thread into Childe Tartaglia’s character and backstory. Childe is a very multifaceted character who seems to always be reduced into something one dimensional in this fandom so I’m here to mansplain his entire lore *with screenshots*

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Daily “Asian (specifically Chinese) standards for the ideal man are very different from western ones so maybe don’t call Chinese standards for men overly “feminine” “weak” or “soft” just because we want are men to be polite, elegant, educated, gentle and soft spoken” tweet

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

3 years

Here’s a thread on my analysis of Zhongli’s “osmanthus wine” idle line in Chinese and the story lost in translation that no one asked for. You guys really thought it couldn’t get more depressing.

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

4 years

Another unannounced change in genshin that Mihoyo made in update 1.2: They finally corrected Childe’s “teenager” mistranslation to “young adult”!!

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@tudou_mi

3 years

[ Zhongli culture thread ] I think people have talked about this before but Zhongli’s banner name is interesting and shows a lot about Zhongli’s character. It’s “Gentry of Hermitage” in EN but in CN it’s 陵薮市朝 which is a reference to an ancient CN poem by 王康琚

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

3 years

I’m here to share CN zhongli’s delivery of this line since he literally just bluntly says “I forgot” and I love him

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@yinyuejun

3 years

in celebration of zhongli’s rerun, i want to talk about the single best piece of zhongli dialog for a second

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@tudou_mi

4 years

Mihoyo once again inexplicably shoving Childe into Zhongli’s trailers just because they can.... not that I’m complaining 👀 . Tartali interactions

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

5 months

Ppl always wanna consume CN media as long as they can erase all semblance of “Chinese” from it, they’re willing to adjust to other cultures like KR or JP even tho they’re foreign all the same but all of a sudden with it comes to China that’s somehow an insurmountable feat

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

17 days

So promised I’d write a more cohesive thread on this Basically some really insane stans of a chara were so offended that a ship they personally did not like had a booth that they decided to escalate the situation by reporting it to the CCP and using homophobic rhetoric

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@hxg_diluc

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[Genshin] Due to misconduct of Creator booth arrangement, certain conflict between fandom of Childe & Zhongli happened online today After discussing the situation, Genshin⭐FES will no longer allow any kind of ship doujin All lost and fee will be compensated by Genshin⭐FES (1/2

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

3 years

Oh ya Zhongli’s exuvia form isn’t full dragon! It’s a half and half mix of qilin and dragon 半麟半龙, it was mentioned by an npc you have to talk to during the rite of descension but they omitted the specifics from the EN translation

Tudou

@tudou_mi

3 years

I think people forgot that Zhongli’s true form is unknown lol. The exuvia (dragon) is just one of many forms he’s taken. He stated himself in the story that no one knows what Rex Lapis’ original form was (it was when you were giving the statue the silk flower perfume)

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5 months

JP dubs need only to exist in order to get praise, meanwhile original CN VOs in the OG language need to consistently go above and beyond only to be met with this Sinophobic bullshit. Sorry but if you want to consume CN media but need a JP dub to do so then you’re the weakest link

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@tudou_mi

3 years

CN people praise ZL’s character for being such a well embodied symbol of our culture and ideals when it comes to what we look for in a leader/god. He’s not domineering, not aggressive, not unreasonable but he is firm in his beliefs and knows how to protect and lead his people

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Naturally as the character who’s most tied to CN culture, he’s also the biggest victim of bad translations. He’s the god of martial arts 武神, not the god of war战神. The god of war 战神 in genshin is Murata, the Pyro archon.

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

7 months

// feet Zhongli and his majestic feet…. Shoutout to that one 3d artist in Genshin’s art department- I know what you are.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I’ve seen some people comment about this before but I wanted to talk about Kaeya’s description in CN and EN. In EN Kaeya is described as “exotic” which as we all know is a horrible and objectifying term to use on a POC.

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

3 years

like calling Childe “that rascal from Snezhnaya” when in CN he simply said “that warrior from Snezhnaya”. Even other characters descriptions of him are butchered (Venti calls him a “Brutish buffoon” in EN but in CN he says “rock head that doesn’t understand human emotion”).

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Also the ideal CN man from a traditional and philosophical perspective, a “junzi”, is characterized as being polite, reposed, gentle, educated, soft spoken, understanding, patient etc etc. All things that western world seems to not like because I guess that’s too “soft”

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Tudou

@tudou_mi

3 years

But in CN he’s referred to as 异国的. 异 meaning “different”, 国 meaning “country” and 的 just turns the phrase into an adjective.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

CN ppl love his softer side and his 2nd story quest that showed more of his emotions and feelings for his friends, and how he has to sometimes repress them to fulfill his duties. We love kind gods.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I’ve even see fucking idiots say they don’t like his CN voice, AKA HIS ORIGINAL VOICE WHICH IS VOICED BY THE FUCKING DIRECTOR OF THE ORIGINAL VOICE OVER WHO WORKS AT FUCKING MHY HQ IN SHANGHAI, because it sounds too “weak”. Or his ult line is “very lacking”.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

While as by definition “exotic” may just mean “foreign” but it’s a term that is strictly used on spices, animals, objects etc. When used on a person it’s very dehumanizing.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

If you need a comparison: think of him as Athena, not Ares. That tied in with the fact that people tend to project western dragon lore onto him, despite the fact western and Chinese dragons could not be more different, paints a much more violent and cruel picture of his lore

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@tudou_mi

3 years

But also I feel like it’s kind of reflective of what westerners see men and gods as being like vs what CN people see them like 🗿. CN players see Zhongli as strong, smart and refined because that’s what they look for in an emperor.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

It’s like??? Man I get that players like you don’t pay attention to the dialogue or anything outside of just the “waifus” but oh my god stop projecting your own hyper masculine fantasies for yourself onto Zhongli 🤦🏻‍♀️

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@tudou_mi

3 years

That combined with the fact that the EN and CN voice actors for Zhongli portray him as practically 2 completely different characters really doesn’t help his case (Im begging all of y’all here to just listen to CN Zhongli once, eSPECIALLY the battle voice lines, and you’ll get it)

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Meanwhile if you see a video like that on YouTube all the comments are filled with either jokes about him being broke, daddy jokes or dick jokes because no one knows how to pronounce his name correctly.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

In EN however calling him “exotic” just ties into centuries of POC fetishization, objectification and dehumanization. I think it really needs to be fixed. This whole issue with Kaeya’s description also ties into another big issue with genshin eng translations in general-

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@tudou_mi

3 years

If you were to paste this into Google translate it would translate to “exotic” but the thing is google translate cannot pick up on the connotations between words and their cultural/historical background.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

But 异国 in CN does not have that connotation, anyone who speaks CN can tell you that 异国 is just a more poetic way of saying “foreign”. I’ve seen CN people refer to Americans as 异国的 and it’s perfectly fine. If anything it just sounds a little too fancy.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Damn I didn’t realize him delivering his CN battle lines, which are fucking idioms, in a more calm and firm voice rather than yelling “CRUMBLE” makes him weak 🤔. Tell me you don’t understand shit about CN culture without telling me you don’t understand shit about CN culture.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

If you ever go to a video on Bilibili that’s centered around Zhongli and his character, all the comments are filled with praises towards him and fucking essays on how well written his character is

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@tudou_mi

3 years

This one translation alone has caused so many people to project the image of a ruthless, violent and brutal western god of war onto him when in CN, that’s practically the opposite of what he is.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

*sigh* Zhongli when he was still Rex Lapis was a firm leader who enforced order and was loved by his people for bringing them prosperity and protection. He wasn’t some dictator who ruled by instilling fear and pressuring others to do as he says like some daddy kink wet dream

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@tudou_mi

3 years

But I would say that by far the character that has suffered the worst at the hands of poorly done localization is Zhongli. I could go off on essays about how zhongli was misportrayed in EN but I’ll try to keep it short.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I think people forgot that Zhongli’s true form is unknown lol. The exuvia (dragon) is just one of many forms he’s taken. He stated himself in the story that no one knows what Rex Lapis’ original form was (it was when you were giving the statue the silk flower perfume)

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Mini thread on yet another mistranslation that might skew peoples views on a character. In CN Teucer says Childe “said if he got the chance he would take a leave from his job every now and then to go travel with you” while as the EN trans straight up goes “he’d quit his job”

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Zhongli’s soft spoken and poetic speech pattern isn’t something that can be perfectly translated into EN and I think they did a good job generally, but they made it worse by having him use choice words in his descriptions of other characters,

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I mean a lot of it can be summed up to the EN localization not always being great and also westerners not understanding CN culture + EN Zhongli just generally feeling very “old timey European dood” instead of “CN junzi”

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@tudou_mi

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@tawniao3 Yea, part of it is bc mhy knows their audience but aside from just ur average otaku they’re also self aware of how negatively CN stuff is viewed by western audiences. Theres whole studies being done about how CN companies have to mask their “chineseness” to succeed in the west 🫠

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@tudou_mi

3 years

In CN, referring to Kaeya as 异国的 is perfectly normal, there’s nothing eyebrow raising about it, he’s the only dark skinned character in a German based region- he looks like a foreigner.

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@tudou_mi

4 years

*drops Childe fanart and runs* Been simping for Genshin boys all month, please please come home please Childe please, I worked so hard on this piece for evil fatui man so please- #公子 #达达利亚 #タルタリヤ #原神 #イラスト #childe #tartaglia #genshinimpact

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@tudou_mi

3 years

People calling him “weak” or “soft” for being kind and loving? To me that’s not just people having toxic standards for male presenting characters, that’s people saying CN ideals for men are too “weak” and “soft”

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@tudou_mi

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a lot of it completely ignores the cultural background of the original CN text. The whole “sworn brothers” thing is a big and controversial one,

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@tudou_mi

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“Some ppl just have preferences”- sorry bud but if ur “preferences” entail calling a language ur not used to and have clearly not bothered giving the time of day to “grating, dreadful, ugly” along with some added slurs like 90% of this comments section then I have some news for u

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@tudou_mi

3 years

All these complaints are about people fucking up his canon character btw. I honestly couldn’t care less if you have kinks and wanna project them onto him in a fic or smth just as long as you realize that’s not what he’s actually like

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@tudou_mi

3 years

But obviously if you were to translate that like “Americans are exotic” instead of “Americans are foreign” with no care for the connotations of the words in their respective languages then it sounds weird as hell.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

They recently changed it to “excessive of yang energy” which is not only more faithful to the original meaning of 纯阳 but also much easier for EN speakers to understand because yin yang is a well known concept. That’s localization done right and that’s how it should have been.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Anyway I think genshin the EN translation team could do better. That’s it. If anyone wants to share info with me or correct me on anything please go ahead. I’m Chinese diaspora, have lived in CN for a few years and speak CN but I def dont know as much about CN culture as a native

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I’d argue that in CN the use of 义兄 to describe Kaeya and Diluc’s relationship was chosen specifically because it left leeway for interpretation as to whether or not they’re just sworn brothers or actual adoptive brothers.

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@tudou_mi

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Also the amount of dudebro gamers I’ve seen on websites likes Reddit say stuff that insinuates that “big dong daddy zhong” isn’t “weak” which means he can’t possibly show human emotions, or attachments, or even be fucking squeamish towards seafood (which he is)

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@tudou_mi

3 years

When you say Kaeya is 异国的, the “异国” in question is Khaenriah, but you could also say he is in 异国他乡(in a country that’s foreign from his homeland) where in the 异国 is referring to Mondstadt instead.

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One of the biggest things about storywriting is leaving opportunities for readers to make interpretations/headcanons so they can enjoy the characters in their own way, but “adopted sibling” in EN simply doesn’t have that freedom of interpretation.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

like 天动万象 vs “I will have order”.... if I were to accurately translate what zhongli’s CN ult line actually means it would take me a full paragraph. But the least the translation team could do is /not/ embellish crap and make it worse.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Idk what it is about the western fandom and thinking that just because Zhongli has a stoic face and is known for being strict when it comes to his contracts means that he’s somehow Kratos. Like seriously, is that what you guys like to see in a god? CN people disagree.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I wouldn’t be as upset about this if it weren’t happening to ZL specifically. Because Zhongli is literally so tied to CN culture and reflects those values in everything he does, so people twisting him into something gross just feels more personal 🗿

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3 years

And considering the fact Asian men have historically been emasculated in the west, it just shows that nothings really changed.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I’ll probably make a deep dive thread on Zhongli some other day but you guys get the point. Obviously it’s impossible to perfectly preserve the nuances of CN culture in EN text, so much is lost in translation,

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@tudou_mi

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There’s also other smaller things like Chongyun’s previous description saying he has excess “congenital positivity”, which makes absolutely no sense in EN.

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@tudou_mi

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Childe’s story quest apparently did a really good job at making people forget how unhinged and battle hungry he is lol. Soft big brother Childe is great but unhinged Childe deserves more recognition lolol

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@tudou_mi

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Even outside of fandom, this been an issue for literally centuries now 🗿. People always wanna call Asian men too “girly” just cuz they don’t conform to western standards of daddy dom who has emotional constipation and solves his issues through domestic violence or some bs

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I’ve seen some people bring this up to say mihoyo supports pedo, but the whole “Albert confessing to flora” thing was an oversight of the script. They changed flora from an adult to a child but forgot to change the script, this was her OG model from beta

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@tudou_mi

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[mistranslation thread] Zhongli’s “More About Zhongli V” voicelines is kind of misleadingly translated. I’ll leave my direct translation of his CN line in the next reply:

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@tudou_mi

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Ngl its weird how theres 0 in game documentation of ZL & GZ interacting aside from lantern rite where it showed her history with all the adepti- yet whenever the topic of archons losing someone is brought up shes all anyone talks about as if ZL didn’t have entire SQ about azhdaha

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Also a final note since some people seem to think I’m knit-picking: It’s not that much to ask for a company that makes millions in a month to do a better job at regulating their translations and avoiding offensive and/or misleading terms in their localizations

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Just found out now that 奇响天外 (the voice acting studio that a lot of the gnsn CN VAs are under) did an April Fools video where they had their VAs revoice some gnsn scenes/trailers but in random CN dialects that they don’t speak 😂. You can hear them struggling it’s hilarious

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3 years

He’s not a “bad person” but he certainly isn’t all good like some people wanna view him (ps: it’s ok to like morally gray characters. It’s fiction. No one’s gonna arrest you for falling in love with a hot anime war criminal)

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Also interesting note, Qilin are actually “Qi”麒and “Lin”麟- meaning the males are Qi and females are Lin. The exuvia is described as “half Lin 半麟” meaning the writers deliberately went with the female form lmao. Supports the theory that all the archons are actually genderfluid

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3 years

Zhongli’s line can be translated as “I wish to buy osmanthus flowers and bring along fine wine to enjoy, I only long for my old friends, When shall I see them again?”

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@tudou_mi

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Thanks for taking the time to compile this info but it wasnt necessary cuz I was already familiar it. I specified in my thread that I meant on screen interactions. On top of that a lot of the things you listed here I just disagree with but let’s start with “brain and brawns”

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@tudou_mi

7 months

Time for a controversial take that ya’ll are not ready to hear: The closest thing we have to a Fuhua expy in genshin isn’t Cloud Retainer- it’s Zhongli Before you all tear me to shreds: I don’t think Fuhua actually has an “expy” in the way we’ve seen with other characters (1/?)

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Even in more recent years the prejudice around kpop is the same kind of scenario 🗿. Like ok, sure y’all might think it’s weird for guys to wear makeup and take care of their skin- but clearly most East Asian ppl don’t so maybe stfu???

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Teucers English line in Childe’s story quest said “he’d quit his job to go travel with you” but that was a mistranslation. In the CN version teucer said “he’d take time off his job to go travel with you”.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Mini thread on yet another mistranslation that might skew peoples views on a character. In CN Teucer says Childe “said if he got the chance he would take a leave from his job every now and then to go travel with you” while as the EN trans straight up goes “he’d quit his job”

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First time we’re seeing Morax’s eyes in one of these cutscenes and it’s just casually dropped in a collaboration trailer 😭😭😭

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@tudou_mi

3 years

First and foremost: He isn’t being forced to fight. He lives for battle and is always working to make himself stronger.

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@tudou_mi

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He’s not supposed to be the perfect good guy who was just forced into his role in the fatui- LITERALLY NO ONES FORCING HIM, HE LIKES HIS JOB!!

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@tudou_mi

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I’m late but I made birthday art for Zhongli ;-;. Happy birthday gramps, thank you for blessing my 2020 with your pretty face. Also happy new year! #genshinimpact #zhongli #鍾離生誕祭2020 #钟离先生生日快乐 #钟离 #鍾離 #鍾離先生

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Anyway let’s get into Childe’s mischaracterizations. It seems people either dumb him down to just soft baby big brother who can do absolutely no wrong and was played- or a completely unhinged, arrogant and uncaring asshole who was fine with destroying Liyue.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I made this thread just to shed some light on some of the more glaring issues I’ve seen with the EN translation of the game, it’s not to say the entire EN ver is horrible- just that it could be better

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@tudou_mi

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1. Where’s the proof the rite of parting was for guizhong 2. No, she was not the most significant loss for him period and saying that is, once again, extremely reductive of his character

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The entire Liyue Archon Quest was for Zhongli to hold a rite of parting for Guizhong, and you tried to say that the lost of Guizhong is not the most significant lost for Zhongli? What...?

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@tudou_mi

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Disclaimer: You’re allowed to portray characters however you’d like in fanwork and obviously people are going to have different interpretations from eachother. But it’s annoying to see stuff that blatantly goes against what’s shown in the story being pushed as canon

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@tudou_mi

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He was enlisted into the fatui by his dad who was worried that his violent tendencies would get out of hand and thought the fatui would be the only way to calm him down- it’s like sending your son to boot camp when they act up too much.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

In fact, it’s eluded that the abyss didn’t instill the love of battle into childe- instead all that potential and “burning ambition” was already there inside him and the abyss simply awakened it

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@tudou_mi

3 years

He got this battle lust from the abyss but to say that his genuine love for fighting (that’s embedded into literally all his character stories and voice lines) is all just some sort of trauma coping mechanism is just false.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

But that doesn’t mean that the side he showed to us in the Archon quest was all fake. He is battle hungry. He is unhinged. He is cocky. He is willing to do bad things to achieve his and the Tsaritsa’s goals and yes he will laugh at you for believing in cocogoats.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

It’s always one or the other and it completely erases any character depth that was shown to us and portrays him as either strictly good or bad when he’s actually a rather morally ambiguous character.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

Tl;dr: Childe’s not evil but he’s also not completely innocent. Stop dumbing him down to one or the other smh. Ya’ll go on and on about character depth but then completely ignore it when it’s put right in front of you.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

I can’t get into that though because there isn’t enough canon material describing his time in the abyss or his memories of it since he’s never told anyone. All we know is that he went into it timid and hesitant and came out of it bold and confident.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

He’s just not as manipulative and cruel as the other harbingers and fatui recruits we’ve seen. It’s shown in his character stories how that his disagreements with their methods puts him at odds with other harbingers and makes him a bit of lone wolf in their ranks.

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@tudou_mi

3 years

The quote it’s referenced from is 小隐隐陵薮，大隐隐朝市 Which basically translates to “the lesser hermit lives in the secluded mountains, but the greater hermit resides in the bustling cities”

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@tudou_mi

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But unfortunately that plan backfired on him because Childe tHRIVED in the Fatui. He reveled in the battle opportunities provided to him. He’s a fighter and his potential was recognized and he quickly rose in their ranks.

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