It was Grant clearly. He won the war, and understood both the tactical and strategic aspects of the conflict. The fact so many people say Lee, or that Lee was a better tactician, only goes to show how deeply entrenched The Lost Cause is and how much of that shit
This highly staged photograph was taken at a the reunion where at least one fist fight broke out between the veterans of both sides and a U.S. veteran was stabbed by a secessionist veteran for saying good things about Lincoln.
Ok, so let’s go through this point by point to see why they are wrong.
1) Lincoln did not inaugurate a war, they was the secessionists, they fired first, and long before firing were openly committing acts of aggression against the U.S. government. From attacking and seizing
@JonathanAKRolfe
Ok. Sure, but you have to grasp the history behind “Lee was better then Grant” argument, and understand the sheer amount of lies, distortions, and misinformation very deliberately spread to create that argument in the first place.
Again reconciliation is largely a myth. Further there really was no hatchets buried, the secessionists very openly continued to resist US authority, including Lee, whom Grant viewed as openly impeding reconstruction. And removing monuments
Sorry, but Sherman, Grant, Lee, and all the others who buried the hatchet when the bullets stopped will forever be better men than the mediocrities who just want to tear down and destroy.
@TheRabbitHole84
@ClownWorld_
They will not show you the very proud black Confederate soldiers, either! They fought to try to separate from the North! The war really had nothing to do with slavery!
The myth of the starving barefoot secessionist needs to die. The secessionists were far better supplied than popular view holds, it was only really at the very tail end of the war and at the very beginning where the secessionists had massive supply issues.
For example, Japan built or repaired like warships in the course of WWII, the U.S. built 396 destroyers, alone. The US was never going to be invaded and conquered, unless ray gun welding aliens arrived.
@JonathanAKRolfe
Sure you can try to take a “objective” view and try to argue Lee was better, but you have to recognize you are arguing from a viewpoint that is largely manufactured.
The problem is righttoids assume an insurgency assume it’s going to look like Vietnam, which was actually a high intensity irregular conflict between conventional (ie professional) military forces. Or they think it will look like Afghanistan or Iraq where the
@Hanasaku_Yuri
And a large portion of his family actually stayed loyal, in fact the vast majority stayed loyal, it was only really his immediate family that committed treason.
forts, and even US government owned ships, to raising an army of 100,000 BEFORE Lincoln was even in office. To note that army was 400% larger than the U.S. Army in 1860, which was only about 20,000 men. Also, the war wasn’t to benefit Republicans, there was no way
Lincoln could know how the war was going to end, and in fact the Republicans suffered several setbacks backs during the war, and Lincoln expected to lose the 1864 election.
2) No he did not create a complete military dictatorship, there were free and fair elections
US and allies were occupation forces, and thus had to do things like patrols and whatnot, to help maintain order and provide a visible presence. That is not going to happen here. You will face law enforcement agencies, unless you rise up and take over a city or something.
No. The reason the U.S. exists is due to standing Armies during the Revolution. It wasn’t the militia that won Yorktown it was the Continentals and the French. It was the Continentals that won Saratoga that brought the French in, it was the Continentals at Monmouth
throughout the war, in fact Republicans suffered several setbacks backs during the war, such as the election of 1862, where they lost sets in Congress and well as some governorships, and as mentioned above Lincoln totally expected to lose the 1864 general elections.
@J4Years
@robbysoave
Remember he’s a libertarian. All good things that happen are the result of business, all bad things government. No matter the facts.
volunteers who voted for Lincoln.
3) Last time I checked we still live in a constitutional republic, and we still live in a nation called the United States, so I am gonna say we live in the same country the founders established. Also if the objection is the Constitution
Most of the so-called "Lost Cause" was just Southerners giving their side of the story. It's not what modern activists claim, either some self-delusion to cope with loss or a propaganda campaign. Calling someone a "Lost Causer" boils down to accusing all Southerners of lying.
Ladies and gentleman, stop the presses. Lori actually carried through with a threat and blocked me. How many of you can claim this feather for your cap?
None of that looks like a “complete military dictatorship” unless you are objecting to the fact soldiers were allowed to vote from the field. Which, even then the Regulars (the professional standing army) voted overwhelmingly for the Democratic candidate, it was the
has changed, and the US doesn’t work exactly like it did in 1794 or something, I will point out that Framers created a Constitution that could be amended and changed as needed because they were smart people who understood they couldn’t foresee everything that was going to happen
Feudalism was actually a pretty good system.
Here’s why:
-everyone had a defined role that served society as a whole: peasants, vassals, and lords all had responsibilities to each other
-it was extremely decentralized
-it’s hierarchy ensured long-term stability
-with
The Battle of Gettysburg, the Battle of Malvern Hill, the Battle of Antietam, the Siege of Petersburg, the Battle of Five Forks, and, you know losing the war disagree.
@bad_histories
Don’t for get the indigenous people of Taiwan who were virtually destroyed by Japanese colonialism, not to mention the Ainu people who were also almost destroyed.
@seaniedons
People forget the Overland Campaign was not Grant’s preferred method of campaigning, he would rather maneuver his forces and destroy small portions of the enemy’s army, but he didn’t have that option in the confined space in the East.
4) That’s all in the eye of the beholder, I suppose, but the fact you can get on this platform and be openly treasonous and seditious suggests the U.S. government is in fact not “tyrannical, oppressive, and overbearing.”
@EratAutemNox
That is absolutely not true, not even in the slightest. Grant won through superior talent, logistics, and tactical and strategic ability.
or every possible circumstance that could arise. Also, they would likely be horrified that we still are using the constitution they wrote, some 200 years later.
3) What crimes were those exactly? If you are angry about the destruction of southern property, according to the rules
@DrRobThompson
Seeing as how the CSA defended itself against one of the most powerful countries in the world, I think they’d do fine against Napoleon’s half ass attempt at expansion from Mexico.
The US definitely was not the world's greatest superpower in the 1860s. The British Empire was.
I don't even know where you got 3.6 million US soldiers from. It was probably more like 2.2-2.6 million. And casualties include pows so the Confederacy had a similarish number.
I am also going to highlight, if you deliberately chose a fight with an opponent who has superior industrial strength, it’s rather pathetic to complain about that.
On this Confederate Loser Day, I remind you that Minnesota still holds the 28th VA Infantry flag.
Captured on 7/3/63 during the Battle Of Gettysburg; Virginia has asked for it back several times and MN has refused each time by several MN State Governors.
@NJflaggers
The upper left is a USCT unit you idiot, the officer is even visibly in a U.S. Army uniform, the rest were slaves forced to follow their enslavers to war.
of war then in force, that was okay if it was being used for military purposes or support. And if you look at what happened in the March to the Sea, the destruction of factories and what not, was completely acceptable.
5) He actually did call Congress into session. When he called the militia, he at the same time called Congress.
6) So, actually he did have the authority to call up the militia. Calling up the militia was was governed by two acts, the Insurrection Act of 1807, and the
Rhodesia was one of the most cartoonishly incompetent, stupid, and evil regimes that ever existed. Imagine staning for a regime that couldn’t get anyone to openly support them during the Cold War, because of how cartoonishly incompetent, stupid, and evil it was.
Rhodesia, after it fell to Mugabe in 1980, was forgotten for many decades, but it matters greatly because it shows why the West is no longer what it once was
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Militia Act of 1795, which allowed the president to call out 75,000 militia for, 3 months of service. Lincoln was legally allowed to do that without consulting Congress, due to those laws.
5) He did suspend habeas corpus, but it was limited to the railroad lines
The south in no way provided the majority of Federal revenue before the war, the majority came from New York.
Well that’s it. It was a long thread, but that’s what you get when you get extremely wrong posts like the op.
@FairbairnBC
At this same reunion a fistfight broke out between the veterans from both sides, and a former secessionist stabbed a U.S. veteran for saying good things about Lincoln.
into Baltimore and Washington, the very mode of transportation Congress was to take to, get to Washington. Additionally, when Congress did suspend habeas corpus, they indemnified the president for doing so. Also, I will note there were people who opposed the Lincoln
The problem with libertarians is they always assume they will be the guy at the top if we get rid of all the things they want. Rather then be the poor person burying their 12 year old son who was just crushed to death in the coal mine, and also owes the mine owner