It's time to talk about niche milling in Peru. It's a hard topic because it raises more questions than it answers and those might be somewhat unsettling. You might need to recalibrate your reality a bit. The evidence is abundant though so let's go down this rabbithole!
Stone-softening accident at Tambomachay. The stone mass on the right (allegedly bedrock) slumped across the staircase. They cleaned it up quite well but not perfectly. Some material was left stuck to the stairs and the wall blocks, along with damage from the cleanup operation.
This example from Tambomachay (near Cusco) is one of the best artifacts demonstrating the reality of ancient stone-softening. I would love to hear mainstream archaeology's explanation for how bedrock came to be wrapped around a cut block?
The Naupa Iglesia (a.k.a. Choquequilla) cave near Ollantaytambo - natural or not? I'm thinking NOT. It looks like someone sliced/pulled a chunk out of the mountain.
If anyone's doing hikes out of Cusco in the Tambomachay area here's something interesting you could check out
It doesn't seem to serve any agricultural purpose as there are no crops nearby, plus it's too small for modern agriculture.
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Bedrock nub at Chukimarka outside Cusco. In these pics it's obvious that the nub is an addition to the bedrock as there is a distinct material boundary surrounding the nub. I will explain this more in future with examples at Ollantaytambo that clarify the purpose of this effect.
I gave up on trying to figure this one out so I'm just posting pics in case anyone else has more info or wants to look into it. At Huayna Picchu (next to Machu Picchu) there is this stone that is clearly not natural. Note the ridges, especially at the one corner. /2
As an aside some people call these patterns "scoop marks". They are clearly an artifact produced by the stoneworking process and are seen worldwide. There are many theories about the mechanism that formed them but regardless of that it evidences the malleability of the stone.
The clue is a scored line in the stone that indicates the intended level of the bottom of the niche which I've marked as "A". If you extend the line to the other 2 niches you can see that their bottoms are in line with it but not so with niche "A".
I haven't been able to determine the exact location of this block. It doesn't seem to be part of the main Sacsayhuman wall so possibly it's at Suchuna, Kiswarkancha or one of the structures in the Sacsay complex. Anyone know?
Best place to start is with Machu Picchu's "temple of the 3 windows" where the windows are really just open niches. These are a great example because the builders didn't finish their work (yet again!) and this gives us insight into the process. They left us this clue.
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At this point I expect the skeptics to shout "What do you mean unfinished!? How do you know it's unfinished!!? Are you an Inca!?". We can see it's unfinished by the lumpiness of the unfinished sections. In fact we can delineate the finished vs. unfinished sections this way.
Inside we can see the unfinished aspects of niche "A" more clearly. This niche has stone that still needs to be removed from it's bottom to bring it level. The corner on the right side makes it quite clear what the final level was intended to be and this matches the score mark.
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1/ I initially dismissed this stone in Cusco as modern concrete artwork to bolster the "Inca dunnit" narrative. It turns out that this is indeed a genuine artifact that was dug up at a house on Santa Catalina Ancha Street, possibly in the 1950s. The stone is now on a ...
One artifact in the "Sacristy" room is extremely important and relevant to the puzzle of the leftside niche in the "temple of the 3 windows". It is a niche that was being milled out but that was halted partway though leaving obvious evidence of how it was being made.
It explains the fit of certain blocks which would otherwise be impossible. It explains the residual flanges found in the lower corners of many miches. It explains why the Peruvian Ministry of Culture doesn't want people poking around in that Sacristy room at Machu Picchu.
The secret that explains the weird leftside niche is located not far away in the "Sacristy" room which I mentioned yesterday. That room is a snapshot in time of the construction process and probably why they don't allow tourists in there anymore.
I think that most people intuitively knew or at least suspected that this is how the niches were created. It explains some things such as why the rows of niches are aligned along their tops rather than their bottoms, which is not how we would do it.
Back to the niches. The process of shaping the stone which produces the scoop marks is a kind of milling. The same milling process produces the niches. How do I know this? Well observe the niche on the left of the "3 windows" and compare it to the one on the right.
But what kind of tool was it? Was the stone softened to allow the milling with instruments other than diamond-tipped ones? What kind of mind does things that way? Even if we could do it that way, would we? The questions it raises are many and some are profoundly disturbing.
We can also observe that 1) the milling tool was not wide enough and 2) the niches were created in separate downward motions. So now the weird niche in the 3-windows "temple" makes sense: the block forming the base had only just begun to be milled with similar downward cuts.
The right niche is "more finished" than the left, even though it's surrounded by unfinished surfaces. The left niche looks like a joke. What's up with that one? Now we're getting to the interesting stuff... let's continue >>
So the niches are milled out of the walls. At least the megalithic ones, not the Inca ones. That example in the Sacristy room also exposes the fact that the stone was malleable at the time as we can see the flanges around the opening produced by the milling process.
Shamir cuts at Pisac. Sorry for the low quality pics but this is from an old video and that's as good as it gets. This is the only footage I've ever seen of these - and trust me when I say I have scoured the internet for more! - so it's a real gem.
Shamir-sliced rectangular block at Chukimarka, Cusco. It has some beautiful zero-width cuts as well as holes and a scoop taken out of the softened stone.
Another inscription - this one hidden in the rocks near Sacsayhuaman. Seems similarish to the one I posted yesterday, both seeming to be inscribed inside rectangles. I have a suspicion that this are may have been buried during Inca times ๐ค
At the Cajamarca ransom room there are many astonishing things. But something particularly interesting is hidden around the back. A nub.
What makes this nub extra interesting is that it's on a heavily eroded wall. The wall's surface has fallen off in layers yet the nub remains.
For reference this is the actual color of the stone - light grey. On the inside layer the blocks are actually quite brown (when they are not coated with a layer of filth).
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Excellent 3-part video of megalithic structures near Marmaris, Turkey. In this thread I'll highlight some of the anomalies that I spotted... all of which have near identical counterparts in Peru.
There are similarities to the highly suspicious bedrock stone at the Temple of the Condor at Machu Picchu. The ridges as well as the odd "crack" patterning seem to be the same as "the arrow stone". /6