luthien & lyanna losing their lives for love. luthien in sacrificing her immortality to be with beren, lyanna in running away to be with rhaegar and eventually dying for jon. arya & arwen following in their ancestors footsteps whilst simultaneously achieving what they could not.
why is it so easy for some people to feel empathy for rhaenyra when she does bad things in order to protect her sons but not for alicent when she does the same?
sansa suffering & having no legitimate ruling experience = deserves to be queen in the north
dany suffering but fighting for others, liberating slaver’s bay & learning through ruling whilst in mereen = bad ruler who deserves to be put down in the end by jawn snuh
acting like house targaryen are worse than any other house is stupid - westeros is a feudalistic society, all the main houses have committed crimes against humanity. we just know the most about the targs because they’re grrm’s special dragonriders.
daenerys isn’t a ‘girlboss’ or a ‘traditional feminine coquette’, she’s a complex character with balance and nuance who doesn’t fall into either stereotype this fandom loves to force female characters into. grrm makes this clear in her 31 chapters. stop reducing her character
he literally aged alicent down so she could be turned into a child bride r4pe victim wtf is this man on 😭😭 literally added unnecessary r4pe scenes that weren’t in the book. and don’t even get me started on him having rhaenyra be choked by daemon—
my brother in the faith of the seven you had dany stabbed by her intimate partner and you were “anticapating” the mad queen bullshit “for years” admitting you did it purely for the shock value instead of staying true to her character. “shouldn’t be glorified” look in the mirror.
quotes crying like it’s not a clear canon fact that the targaryens only started suffering the effects of inbreeding once they married into non-magical houses - like boo hoo the magical family in the magical world don’t operate genetically like we do 😭
the magical & fantasy elements of the series are superior. d&d were cowards for erasing the magic from the show to appeal to the normies. their interpretation of the fantasy of asoiaf is the reason we have so many bad ‘dragons are nuke’ takes from people biased by got.
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he’s over the age of eighteen. there are plenty of people younger than him that possess empathy enough to understand what he is saying is wrong. stop making excuses.
the targaryen heir apparent always ruled as prince or princess on dragonstone, managing a small island in preparation for managing westeros. considering rhaenyra spent her formative years being her father’s cupbearer and attending court, her going to dragonstone made sense.
aerys was dead when ned forgave robert for laughing over the corpses of dany’s niece and nephew and didn’t protest at all when robbert sent stannis to root rhaella and the kids out of dragonstone, knowing it was very likely dany & viserys would be killed if caught 😐
not him airing their dirty laundry like him preying on teenagers isn’t common knowledge 😐 i don’t like his racist zionist wife either but he’s not any better
Amid their separation, Joe Jonas has reportedly been caring for his two children with Sophie Turner "pretty much all of the time" over the last three months, even while on tour.
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people so mad at the idea that a FANTASY race in a FANTASY series with magical dragon riding powers doesn’t operate genetically like regular human beings 😭 some of y’all are not meant for the fantasy genre and it shows
‘choose humanity over violence’ and he never gave a sh!t about that violence when he was partying in israel while millions of palestinians remain trapped in what is essentially a concentration camp in gaza, being tortured and murdered regularly. fck him.
Noah Schnapp shares statement on Israel and Palestine:
“You either stand with Israel or you stand with terrorism. It shouldn’t be a difficult choice. Shame on you.”
literally renly, orys, jocelyn & boremund are the only baratheons who weren’t utter losers. & shireen of course but she’s literally just a sweet little girl 😭 stannis, robert, rogar & the rest can all d!e. in what world does grrm want us to think baratheon = good?
the ‘bad things’ rhaenyra does to protect her children doesn’t result in the systematic oppression of women being WORSE for the next two hundred years, nor thousands upon thousands of innocent women and children being k!lled in a war that sat a r4pist on the throne.
‘privilege and class’ need losers like you to stop acting like alicent HIGHTOWER is one of the common folk. girlie was a daughter of one of the wealthiest noble houses in westeros, not the peasant next door.
i think it speaks volumes in regards to her life of privilege and class. younger rhaenyra doesn't have empathy for alicent in that moment bc she cannot comprehend a life where there aren't options
the north is xenophobic because they look down on anyone who isn’t northern, even tho they’re not technically natively northern themselves since they actually colonised the native population of westeros in order to rule it. you might want to reread those books ❤️
targaryens are textbook colonisers and conquerors who decimated westeros' people and lorded over them with the in-story equivalent of nukes lmao, fym they're "xenophobic" for hating the targs???? of course they'd distrust and hate them 😭😭😭😭 yall just be saying anything
need show stans to stop speaking on laena & her daughters. y’all are so f*cking nasty and racist and you’re not even trying to hide it. if you think the shows treatment of their black characters was acceptable, block me! i don’t want anyone following me who defends hotdogs.
this fandom’s hate for canon is so weird. never have i been in a fandom where pointing out the canon characterisations of characters causes so much discourse. people really took the show and ran with it and it’s sad.
if robert baratheon has a million haters i am one of them. if robert baratheon only has one hater it is me. if robert baratheon has no haters i am dead.
“[…] he had assured her that what Robert did before their betrothal was of no matter, that he was a good man and true who would love her with all his heart. Lyanna had only smiled.
“Love is sweet, dearest Ned, but it cannot change a man’s nature.”
—— A Game of Thrones, Eddard
i hate people who post sh!t like this so much. it spreads so much misinformation. being jewish is not mutually exclusive with being a zionist. there are lots of jewish people who are pro-palestine and acknowledge what israel has been doing for decades is terrible.
“she probably likes those posts because of him” her relationship with joe & him being weird have nothing to do with her willingly following multiple racists, liking racist posts about meghan markle, supporting isreel and believing in reverse racism. be serious.
her daughters were nieces to a KING, they were 100% snatched up by at least one important reach family (and grrm goes out of his way to mention rhaena’s husband was a page for the tyrells)
why are you tweeting like it’s the 1950s and women can’t have lives outside of their children and still be good moms? are you gonna tweet at blake lively asking where her kids are at too?
so sophie turner didn’t wanna be a supportive wife and be apart of the jonas family but she’s okay with following taylor swift around like a lost puppy instead of being with her kids that she’s trying so hard to keep
‘haven’t read the book’ checks out. ‘her storylines aren’t my thing at all’ and yet grrm deems her important enough to publish a novella of just her storyline, which he won a hugo for. it’s always the npc fans running their mouths about dany…
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Haven’t read the book yet but a book without Dany honestly sounds refreshing💀 (I don’t necessarily dislike her as a character but her storylines aren’t my thing at all)
she’s their mother. they are HER children. please be so fr and stop suggesting rhaegal is jon’s dragon. he is more bonded to dany than he ever was, and will be, jon. that’s just the canon lore. regardless of whether jon rides him or not, rhaegal will always be more loyal to dany.
aemond is one of the most misogynistic characters in all of asoiaf yet aemondwives scream and cry when you point this out… truly of the same ilk as snape stans lol
to them a character suffering automatically means they deserve to be rewarded, except when it comes to daenerys (who brought back dragons using her own magic and earns her following through her charismatic, caring personality - not through handouts from men).
now why would you do sansa like that? none of the f&b characters are like asoiaf characters because f&b is a history book whereas asoiaf has fully fleshed out pov characters and narratives. ‘very clear parallels’ open the schools!
daemon is petyr baelish who knows how to fight. nettles is the same as brienne. alicent is sansa and rhaenyra is more like cersei
and the way these are very clear parallels the fandom at large simply refuses to acknowledge makes me scared for interpretation skills everywhere
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canonically helaena is described as “less striking” than most targs but still more beautiful than her mom. so their whole ‘alicent is more beautiful because she was thin’ is both factually incorrect as well as grossly fatphobic 🤷♀️ the obsession with nyra’s looks is so weird
@jaecarys
‘rhaena’s daughters were the children of a third son 🤓’ and they’re also nieces to the KING so what? ain’t no way they weren’t getting snatched up by powerful lords wanting to make a connection to the royals
sorry but it’s not a coincidence that jaehaerys targaryen, son of Aegon and helaena - two half andals - is the first targ to show the physical repercussions of inbreeding even tho the targs have been doing it for centuries at that point. this is a FANTASY series.
in the book it’s very clearly rhaenyra’s response to alicent’s wish for violence. it’s completely retaliatory & meant to be rhaenyra silencing alicent and pointing out her hypocrisy rather. she’s matching alicent’s level of threat.
10. “Sharply questioned”
“Sharply questioned” implies torture, except in the book Rhaenyra asked for that in response to Alicent AFTER she demanded for Luke’s eye to be cut out. In the show the order of the lines was changed to demonize Rhaenyra.
the way tumblr stans get so mad that it is arya who is like lyanna & not her sister is so funny 😭😭 grrm spells it out in agot and they still try to deny it like, are you not embarrassed??
i think aemma struggling to have children had more to do with her being married at eleven rather than the maester conspiracy, but there is a reason many characters in asoiaf suspects the citadel of manipulating lives behind the scenes and it’s not for grrm not to give it any pay
6. Deliberate mischaracterization of Jace and Luke
The “bullying” scenario involving Jace and Luke never occurred in the book. In fact, Jace and Luke were the ones antagonized by Alicent’s sons because they “stole their birthright”.
dany, arya, sansa, bran, etc - this fandom is unable to separate the mischaracterised show versions of the characters from their book counterparts and it is obvious in how they discuss them & theorise about the books ending.
when they understand that rhaenyra not being a morally perfect person is the POINT. like rhaenyra is not a ‘good’ person but aegon ii is objectively worse, highlighting that the only reason rhaenyra faced opposition was because she was a woman. if she were a man, no one
‘kindness for his kin’ you mean the kin he abandoned to continue to sleep with the captive he took as his bed mate? the blacks took king’s landing and instead of helping his family try to take it back aemond threw a fit and murdered thousands of innocents, including children
something something Aemond knowing he will die but still choosing to go to Gods Eye bc he believed his family, including Alys and their child, wouldn’t be safe as long as Daemon was alive. so he chooses both, like Amleth: kindness for his kin and hatred for his enemies.
let’s not pretend dany hating ned wasn’t justified and that he couldn’t have done anything to protest robert’s actions towards her and her family after the rebellion when he’s literally one of the only people robert takes seriously.
the show portraying that ginger as the ‘smart stark’ has done irreparable damage to the characterisation of the stark siblings & asoiaf in general 😭 wtf is this? all miss classist has done is poison her cousin and follow littelfinger’s orders- wow so smart and relevant!!
Far easier to speak of Prince Baelon’s wroth, “and how he came down upon Tarth on Vhagar, howling for vengeance.”
[…] But it is said that when [Baelon] saw his mother again, he fell into her arms and wept. “I slew a thousand of them,” he said, “but it will not bring him back.”
nah fuck him. neither him nor sophie are good people but those kids did nothing wrong and the way he’s put them in the middle like this & is refusing to allow them to go home is sick.
Sophie Turner is suing Joe Jonas for the return of their two daughters to England.
Turner filed the lawsuit in a Manhattan court Thursday requesting to secure “the immediate return of children wrongfully removed or wrongfully retained,” according to Page Six.
this man needs to stop pretending to care about women. he did it with got and he did it with hotd and he needs to never speak on women again. how does he think ‘pulled back’ on violence against women when he literally ADDED MORE.
the way that 70year old man has a better understanding of feminism than these losers is honestly embarrassing 😭😭😭 ‘aryasmercy’ get my girls name out of your dumbass mouth
only perfect women are worthy of being called victims of misogyny, if you aren’t a perfect woman & ruler it means you have no place in our feminism. men can be shitty people & rulers though.
if rhaego deserved to die for the sins of his father than so did aegon, rhaenys, jaehaerys, jaehaera & maelys. don’t come crying over elia and helaena’s kids if you’re not gonna have any sympathy for fourteen year old dany’s murdered baby.
the fact that people genuinely believe the death of a monarch would be the sole/main reason for a riot against like the storming of the dragonpit is a testament to the lack of understanding of the tensions that lead to such actions.
traders from oldtown and king’s landing in volantis— a city in which there is said to be five slaves for every free man — as of The Merchant’s Man, ADWD?!? somebody call the high septon 😨😨
i don’t hate jon at all (out of all the male characters in asoiaf he’s actually one of my favs) but his stans are really starting to make me resent his character 😭 just a bunch of misogynistic dunderheads who like to erase dany’s importance to prop him up
yes you love stark women so much you have zero tweets about lyanna and one tweet about arya — the starkiest of stark women & two of the only stark women who grrm fleshes out.
off. it’s a reasonable theory, especially considering we basically get confirmation from marwyn & barbara that SOMETHING is going on & we know the maesters were anti-targ and many targ women suffered during childbirth. like 2+2-4 at this point.
to fit into the boxes you like to sort asoiaf women into because you can’t compute female characters with realistic personalities and complexities. it’s never gonna be accurate xx
it’s also funny because f&b proves time and time again that the dance would’ve happened regardless of the parentage of rhaenyra’s sons because she was a woman. the only babies not being born that would’ve prevented the dance were alicent’s evil spawn.
And greens don't like it when we call them sexist misogynic, wishing the rightful heir to the throne to pass at childbirth just so that their rapist usurper can get the throne is not mysoginic apparently 🥰
they’re not even trying to hide their racism at this point because why do they have this problem with rhaego and not jaehaerys or maelor or elia’s kids?? constantly crying about those white babies but they demean rhaego & justify his brutal murder because of his father??
like they’re literally of the same class 😐 the only way rhaenyra is more privileged is that she is technically a princess and therefore holds slightly more legal power than alicent. but that power is immediately diminished by the fact that she’s a woman.
who did jonnel stark marry? who were ned stark’s parents? who did mina tyrell (daughter of olenna redwyne) marry? who did tywin lannister marry? how many times have the starks married outside first men houses? unfortunately, incest IS a tradition in feudalistic societies.
arya, bran & jon (the main stark/stark-adjacent asoiaf characters) are all intrinsically linked and paralleled to daenerys. all three of them are foreshadowed to ally with her and support her in the future - so stark stans can cry all they want, it doesn’t change canon.
emilia clarke isn’t still being bothered with questions about these shows for them to say olivia is what brought a lot of viewers 😭 the general public watched hotd because it’s about daenerys’ ancestors and she’s the most popular character of asoiaf & got
you always act like alicent was living in flea bottom just trying to make ends meet. the show’s writing of that scene was dumb and done to make the nasty misogynist greenies look better, but stop acting like alicent isn’t privileged and spoilt too.
and the hightowers pre-dance were very intertwined with the citadel & the faith - it’s literally suggested the shepherd was sent from oldtown at the greens behest. it’s not unreasonable to think alicent having FOUR healthy children was because she’s a hightower, not a targ.
y’all really love playing oppression olympics huh? sorry dany liberated herself and is now fighting to liberate others, guess not being passive to oppression makes her a girlboss? hope you keep the same energy when sansa becomes a ‘girlboss’ and takes down petyr in twow xx
cersei k!lling that incompetent r4pist abuser is the best thing she’s ever done actually… like she’s done many problematic things but causing robert’s death is not one of them. if only she’d done it sooner.
aemond house whent, viserys ii being a pretender, alicent being saera’s daughter… how many crack theories that can easily be disproven with canon are these people gonna come up with before they accept the fact that grrm killed all the greens off for a reason 😭😭
green stans: i can excuse a character being a homophobic, misogynistic bigot but i draw the line at defending a heavily pregnant & suffering character that ignored my fav once 😡
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Sansa can have a baby, has a home,, has a past she can be proud of, has a large group of people who unquestionably love her. How many of those does Dany have.
baratheon bastards >> legal baratheons btw!!
what kind of dumbass do you have to be to think asoiaf characters’ morality is measured by hair colour?? there are terrible people in all houses, even the starks (which everyone oh so conveniently ignores).
i watched tall girl sophie turner act her ass off from 14 to 23 and grow into a clearly brilliant hilarious unproblematic woman and I’m supposed to take this Disney channel side bang smear campaign ANYWHERE but serious?could’ve just filed n shut ur mouth now I’m riding at dawn
acting like rhaenyra had options either… forced to marry her cousin, unable to do anything as her father continues to have children that threaten her life. like both alicent and rhaenyra’s life sucked stop playing oppression olympics.
and you, racist, continue to prove you lack the brain capacity to understand nuance just like dumb&dumber. the dragons are capable of great destruction, but that doesn’t make them evil. here’s what grrm also has to say:
“Nonsense. It's a chair made of steel blades. Rhaenyra had wanted it all her life and sacrificed two sons for it. She likely gripped the damned thing to tight.”
—— Robert Baratheon
‘bully’ and it’s one little jokey joke that AEGON organised. meanwhile aemond was frothing at the mouth to call five year old luke a bastard and threaten his life. stfu please.
@aerystrgaryen
I didn't try to use my fucking trauma to win, I just responded to her because she was saying that Aemond shouldn't have allowed a boy younger to him to bullied him. What's the problem with trying to understand a character's behaviour according to their background.
all this because aemma just ignored her… aemma was used and abused since she was eleven years old and is heavily pregnant in that scene & evidently too occupied with worrying after rhaenyra to reply to alicent’s greeting. get over it.
Now they're mad at Aemma for "beefing", just a little side eye to a teenage girl while they ignores canon Alicent who really has a beef with a 9yo girl, they really hate the canon source🤭
sophie turner played sansa fucking stark, a woman who watched all her abusers fall without even blinking, and joe jonas thought he could win this custody battle???? be fucking fr
so the strongs boys deaths are justified because they fought back against their older uncle who assaulted three year old joffrey and tried to kill them? jaehaerys & maelor didn’t deserve to die but that’s not rhaenyra’s fault.
she’d already learnt from viserys, it was then time for her to rule her own household for a bit & put what she learnt into practice. that’s how the succession works 😐 she’s literally in charge of ruling dragonstone, just like the tyrells with highgarden or starks in the north.