Ao3 doesnโt need a โdislikeโ button.
It needs a button where I can leave kudos on every individual chapter because one kudos for the whole work is NOT ENOUGH.
@lazyuniverses
I know people who have a more flexible homeschool regimen that both provides a proper, standards meeting, education to their kids while ALSO making the childโs choices and creative exploration a priority.
Itโs fully possible.
But โunschoolingโ is PURE child neglect.
Have you actually read Lolita?
Nabakov was a CSA survivor & Lolita is a brilliant look at how predators groom not only the child but the ppl around them.
The beautiful prose starkly contrasts the horror of Humbert's actions in a way where the reader too is, in effect, groomed.
There is a massive difference between misinformation being spread through popular fiction, and the idea that by reading dark & twisted themes in fiction that are fundamentally contrary to the your morals & desires, that fiction will somehow make you want & justify The Bad Things.
โFiction doesnโt affect realityโ Lemmings do not commit mass suicides, goldfish arenโt that forgetful, bulls hate the swift motion of the cloth (not the color red) most animals donโt fully hibernate, dolphins are not as docile as they seem, neither are hippos, ducks, or most apes
Lauren M. Davis decided to attack Marve Michael Anson accusing her of โcopywrite infringementโ bc Lauren thinks she owns โsun powers.โ
This nonsensical drama is likely the only chance Laurenโs book EVER had at getting anyone to take notice of it seeing as it is weird garbage. 1/
If your morals are changed by dark fiction, the issue is you. Reading abt murderers will not MAKE you a harm others.
As for fiction fundamentally changing a personโs desires, thatโs the exact argument used by conservatives to ban queer books claiming they will โturnโ kids queer.
@RenardReads
@lizcourserants
It certainly can and does? You could definitely argue to what extent and how easily, but to claim that fiction doesn't effect a persons desires or morals at all is just flat out wrong
@elmaxish
Genuinely what is wrong with asking if a book contains romance? For all we know they could NOT be in the mood for romance and trying to avoid it.
@CaelanConrad
โCohen Goldstein.โ
โCohenโ is a last name, but given how she named Cho Changโฆ
Or maybe โShlomo Goldstein.โ
Shlomo is an actual Hebrew name, but itโs ALSO the name antisemites will call you when trying to mock & degrade bc to them it sounds โweird.โ
Or sheโd make me a goblin.
Not only is the concept convoluted & the cover an AI disaster (which, given that AI relies on ART THEFT is pretty fucking ironic seeing as Lauren is having a hissy fit over a copywrite she doesn't even hold), but the excerpt on Amazon reveals a lackluster story & bad prose. 2/
@lazyuniverses
Iโd agree that a LOT of times homeschooling doesnโt function in the best interest of the child either educationally or socially. Especially in cases of homeschooling being used as a tool of religious isolation.
Most of the homeschool families I know are through figure skating.
@richardsiken
Should we โrenounceโ a large part of Renaissance art (really just Bible fanart if you think abt it)?
What abt Miltonโs โParadise Lost?โ
Danteโs โInferno?โ
James Joyceโs โUlysses?โ
Shakespeareโs โRomeo & Juliet?โ
Fanfic & fanart are human endeavors of creativity. AI is NOT.
The excerpt reads like a Wattpad story written by a teenager who is getting a C+ in her creative writing class.
The prose is bad. I donโt care about the characters. Hell, Iโm not even sure who is a real person with Nova, Lydia, Avryll mess and the head hopping doesnโt help. 3/3
Here we are folks, I hope all those who wanted me to do this enjoys my Adventures with a Red Pen.
This is my last engagement with Miss Laurenโs writing as it is giving me a headache.
This is the first nine pages of โSolar Girlโ as posted to Laurenโs blog.
Brace yourselves. 1/
So it looks like Miss Lauren M. Davis has deleted her account, but since I have already finished the red-pen-ing of the first nine pages of "Solar Girl" from her blog I'm still going to post it bc why should our fun end just because she's left?
@AuthorLMDavis
It's actually hilarious that you're accusing another author of copywriter violation for having a character w/sun powers when you support AI abominations that rely entirely on the theft of real artists' work.
Meanwhile, the author you're attacking supports & commissions artists.
@nolab123
@sheologian
OP didn't distinguish. They just called it "creepy" to love the book. I don't know a single person who loves Lolita who "think[s] that Humbert is a role model."
I understand Goodreads having an automatic safeguard against review bombing. Freylor is a shitty person, but review bombing can ALSO be weaponized by bigots against marginalized authors who have done nothing wrong.
But at LEAST let me remove their books from my shelves!!!
I donโt understand how people like this can look at history & side with the censors, the book burners, & the fascists.
Fiction cannot rewrite a personโs actual desires & morals. Exploring the taboo in fiction does not corrupt.
And those who burn books eventually burn people.
@stasreads333
I have two identical copies of some of my favorite books because one is for annotations and one is a "clean" copy.
I also have multiple copies of a specific mass-market paperback Pride & Prejudice bc I carry it with me at all times & they tend to get very worn after a few years.
Where on earth are some of yโall getting these claims?
Who reads words like โdangerousโ and โmorally greyโ and โbad decisionsโ and thinks โAh yes, this book is going to be cute.โ
And if you havenโt read it, why are you commenting on its โtastefulnessโ or lack thereof?
@kuromibatwingz
You have cause & effect flipped.
Racist stereotypes in books are an ex. of REALITY affecting fiction, not the other way around.
The racism was already there in society & the author.
Fiction can reinforce existing systems/bigotries/desires, but not CREATE them from whole cloth.
@moniza_hossain
Lol.
The earliest I can find of people weighing themselves in Western Europe is the mid/late 1800s and itโs very basic (person stands on one side of a balance as weights are added to the other side) and only done by the military for soldiers.
Are you serious?
In no fucking universe am I going to stand up on the train and announce that I plan to read smut on my phone where no one can see and ask if everyone around me is okay with it.
Iโm just going to read it and mind my own business.
Announcing it is not โnormal.โ
@challah_chic
Yeah? I feel like that'd be a pretty normal thing to do if you were already planning on reading porn in public. There's no reason to be so coy about it imo
@richardsiken
AI isnโt even REMOTELY comparable to fanfiction and fan art.
One is a machine that relies on mass theft to churn out soulless facsimiles that obscure and erase the original.
The second is a human creativity that draws inspiration from things we love to craft transformative art.
Sorry, but the "X is for readers" argument holds no water when it comes to fanfiction.
This isn't Goodreads, it's Ao3.
You don't get to be as much of a dick as you want where you KNOW the writers who are providing FREE stories will see it just bc it's bookmarks not comments.
AO3 bookmarks are for readers. Yes, the writer can see them, but they're for the reader. If they want to leave themself a note ("not my favorite plot, but such good smut," "gotta show this one to the bros," "so-so but this is my OTP") that's fine. I dislike writers discouraging--
With all due respect (which is none) and as someone who is also hard of hearing, shut the fuck up.
If you consume the content of books youโre a reader. Prioritizing technical definitions over the inclusion of all who enjoy books in whatever form is complete and utter bullshit.
with all due respect, listening to audio books doesnโt make you a reader. we donโt need to bend and break definitions of things just to make people with disabilities feel included. iโm hard of hearing myself btw, before you guys start attacking me lmao
@shotaconned
Lolita is honestly a brilliant look at how predators groom those around them, not just their victims. The way Nabakov crafted the narration, it's like Humbert is grooming the reader as well. It's a study of an unreliable narrator. The point is to unravel that and see the horror.
@sjfolklore
Ignoring for a moment that this is Fourth Wing, what is overall so wrong with the page?
Itโs a marketing tactic & itโs validating & giving attention to average readers in online book communities (the bookโs target audience) instead of just professional publications & critics.
@fubroshi
Yup. I skate with a lot of kids and if you just treat them like PEOPLE they are very talkative and articulate.
Kids NEED adult role models who treat them with respect and care about what they have to say instead of always patronizing or condescending to them.
@callmenephila_
If the trauma belongs to you / your culture / your community, you should be able to explore it in your fiction.
Hell, yt dudes have been writing complicated power dynamics & trauma narratives about other people for decades w/o anything NEAR this amount of scrutiny or backlash.
What in the white goyish fuck am I reading?
YES, all Nazis were bad ppl.
YES, all enslavers were bad ppl.
Any good qualities are overshadowed by the EVIL they perpetrated in slaughtering and enslaving those they viewed as lesser.
#WritingCommunity
, please don't tolerate this.
@AncientMemeTomb
I think there is a big difference between โfiction helped open my mind from believing bigoted thingsโ and โfiction can make someone belive its okay to abuse a child or kill someoneโ which is what a LOT of people are claiming fiction can do.
Not only is the concept convoluted & the cover an AI disaster (which, given that AI relies on ART THEFT is pretty fucking ironic seeing as Lauren is having a hissy fit over a copywrite she doesn't even hold), but the excerpt on Amazon reveals a lackluster story & bad prose. 2/
This site would have torn Judy Blume to shreds if she were alive & publishing today.
She would be attacked not only by conservatives, as she was in her day, but also by self proclaimed โprogressivesโ & โleftistsโ for daring to portray teen sexuality in a frank & honest manner.
@lizcourserants
I was on a horror kick a while back including books from the perspective of the villains.
Those books never made me want to go out & hurt anyone any more than reading books abt m/f romance made me want to kiss girls (ie: not at all).
Fiction canโt rewrite our desires or morals.
@tenkunsung
@prttyposionxoxo
"Porn addiction" is pseudo-psychology.
It's Evangelical Christian fearmongering.
I swear the hate against smutty romance so often boils down to "But if we let the Women Folk read books, their weak lady brains will become addled by lust!"
Sing a new song. This one's gone stale.
@AncientMemeTomb
@lizcourserants
If your morals are changed by dark fiction, the issue is you. Reading abt murderers will not MAKE you a harm others.
As for fiction fundamentally changing a personโs desires, thatโs the exact argument used by conservatives to ban queer books claiming they will โturnโ kids queer.
@storyjunkie
I'm so tired of seeing nonbinary authors misgendered.
Thankfully OP seems to have genuinely been unaware that Oseman is nonbinary & thanked a commenter for correcting him & posted a correction. It sucks that those of us not licking Elongated Muskrat's boots can't edit tweets.
@lingerie_addict
If they can act like people are not a part of the garment-making process it's easier for them to ignore the exploitation of garment makers.
If you tell yourself fast fashion is not made by human hands, then why would you listen to people talking abt how those humans are treated?
@arabic_bad
โMy native language is just more profound than my second language. This is of course due to the inherent superiority of my first language and couldnโt possibly have anything to do with my closer familiarity with it.โ
Part three.
This part includes the screenshot that was circulating earlier of โI sent my Black MC back in time & made her a slave.โ
Sit the fuck down Lauren, Octavia Butler you are NOT.
Not only is this RACIST, but the depiction is not accurate to slavery in 1788 England. 3/
@toIerateit
This alsoโฆmakes no sense?
Taylor re-recorded her songs to claim them for HERSELF, but this guy is using the โTaylorโs Versionโ phrasing to put HIS CLAIM on a woman?
There is a big contradiction in there.
@elmaxish
How though? Plenty of books that could fit a similar description have romance in them. Itโs a reasonable question and isnโt even indicative that theyโd WANT a romance.
This is the mindset of conservative book banners.
The purpose of fiction is not to "teach morality." If a novel presumes to preach to me about morality it is getting put down. I don't read fiction to be lectured at. I read to experience stories & explore characters & emotions.
@jhonpl55
@GlitchyRom
@JThesomething
If any piece of writing or fiction or story actively teaches bad morality, it will always objectively be shit. I'm digressing here anyway, and I dont care too much about MDUD's moral judgements, I'm just commenting on the faulty premise and the intentions behind the work
@1dand5sosfeelss
@historicalfits
As a costume designer who makes and sells predominately 16th-19th century period & fantasy costumes, I maintain my position that while Jacqueline Durran shines in Barbie & Atonement, she has some MAJOR fails namely P&P (2005), Beauty & the Beast (2017), and Little Women (2019).
Do they think we don't have eyes? That we can't see they are using darker-skin profile picture & emojis while not being even close to that skin tone?
Yes, Latine people can be white or have light skin, but the fact Freylor is using darker pfp & emoji than THEY are is...telling.
You're the kind of person who thinks Nabakov is on the side of Humbert Humbert, aren't you?
If you think that "protagonist" is synonymous with "likable" you need to return to elementary school because you can't be trusted with media above a fifth-grade level.
"You're not supposed to like Bojack Horseman/Scott Pilgrim/X problematic protagonist" Yes you ARE, if a character was supposed to be unlikable then we would not be able to invest in them as protagonists. Their stories are only compelling BECAUSE they're likeable to the audience.
@Tulieries
@CrimeInNYC
He's literally facing the door. No one is sitting in front of him. No one COULD sit in front of him. Plus, it looks like he's wearing full-on shorts under his jeans. Even if his jeans fell down, he'd still be fully covered.
Not only is the concept convoluted & the cover an AI disaster (which, given that AI relies on ART THEFT is pretty fucking ironic seeing as Lauren is having a hissy fit over a copywrite she doesn't even hold), but the excerpt on Amazon reveals a lackluster story & bad prose. 2/
@purplebookcover
Sorry, but the "X is for readers" argument holds no water when it comes to fanfiction.
This isn't Goodreads, it's Ao3.
You don't get to be as much of a dick as you want where you KNOW the writers who are providing FREE stories will see it just bc it's bookmarks not comments.
Too many people moralize not liking a book & it makes it hard to have conversations abt books tht really are harmful when ppl call everything "problematic."
What does harm is often not showy.
The Boy in the Striped Pajamas is infinitely more destructive than dark mafia romance.
"Porn addiction" is pseudo-psychology.
It's Evangelical Christian fearmongering.
I swear the hate against smutty romance so often boils down to "But if we let the Women Folk read books, their weak lady brains will become addled by lust!"
Sing a new song. This one's gone stale.
people donโt like it when fae are described with non-human/animalistic features/traits bc they donโt want to admit that theyโre attracted to it ๐
Authors writing for adult readers are under no obligation to cater their storytelling to a hypothetical 14-year-old's edification.
How about you campaign for comprehensive sex-ed in schools instead of demanding that authors use the sex scenes in their books to teach condom use?
@ZoeYorkWrites
But does a 14 year old sneak reading?
Or a very sheltered 19 year old??
I'm a bit surprised with this *is all about me* attitude in thia reply
Watching new people discover that The Fucked Up Vampire Horror Sex Novel is indeed a deeply fucked up vampire horror sex novel is always fun to witness.
@thatpunkcat
@skiftsnep
"I'm literally a transgender male, homosexual, demisexual"
Congratulations. Me too. Do you want a cookie?
None of that excuses you for perpetuating fascist ideologies towards fiction.
I don't deny that The Hunger Games has some really good messages and themes, but the way some folks read it and then act like they have ascended and have the Supreme Understanding of All Human Conflict to the point where they have no need to listen to anyone else is exhausting.
You think that one of the literal CREATORS of the characters is...*checks notes*..."trying to ship them" by...*checks notes again*...writing them the way he wants to? And that's bad bc YOU want them to be "the bestest of best friends?"
I'm sorry but this is a truly bonkers take.
@Tulieries
@CrimeInNYC
You're not "experiencing a situation differently" you're creating an absurd, oddly sexual, fantasy about a man dancing silently on a subway.
@KateCameron_NZ
@stephenwhittle
Classic "The enemy is both weak and strong" rhetoric
So, according to transphobes, trans men who take T get brittle bones...but trans women can't compete against cis women in sports because "testosterone makes their bones too strong" even if they're on estrogen.
So which is it?
thing is, if you ONLY read fictional porn with no variety then perhaps you should start considering what's going on in your life that makes you need it as an escape so bad, idk
@gworlfailure
If you need fiction to preach a Good Moral Lesson For How To Live Real Life, stick to fables & children's cartoons.
Some of us like STORIES & will continue exploring dynamics in fiction that don't reflect our IRL desires.
Also, Jane Austen called, she thinks you should shut up.
@Nyssaki
It doesn't seem like you have ever been any kind of ally. Allyship should never be dependent on whether or not your feelings are constantly prioritized & everyone is always "nice" to you. Ally is a verb & allyship is in service of the rights of others. Not to serve your own ego.
Something I learned while still being perceived as a woman & a history-adjacent undergrad, is that when many cis men talk about their "interest in history," "history" means "WWII" or "the US Civil War" & "interested in" means "uncomfortable obsession w/Germany or the Confederacy.
So it looks like Miss Lauren M. Davis has deleted her account, but since I have already finished the red-pen-ing of the first nine pages of "Solar Girl" from her blog I'm still going to post it bc why should our fun end just because she's left?
Someone gave a very good example that I want to reiterate about how liking something in fiction =/= liking it in reality: Smoking.
To illustrate,
Smoking in fiction: Very sexy. 10/10. I am already taking off my pants.
Smoking irl: I have asthma. Please go away. I will die.
@incrementalfox
You are off your nut.
Iโm going to read my book and if someone decides to snoop over my shoulder and sees something they donโt like even when I have turned away from them, that is THEIR fault.
I grew up being told to never share my name or face online. Basic internet safety.
Now Iโm seeing a surge in people demanding that others use only their faces and full legal names or else theyโre โnot real.โ
Sorry, I care more about my safety than your ridiculous validation.
You have cause & effect flipped.
Racist stereotypes in books are an ex. of REALITY affecting fiction, not the other way around.
Racism was already there in society & the author.
Fiction can reinforce existing systems/bigotries/desires, but not CREATE them from whole cloth.
1/
"fiction doesn't affect reality" tell that to the world's HUMAN population, especially people of color who have been stereotyped through media for centuries.
What do people mean when they say they want more "non-spicy books?"
The majority of books ARE "non-spicy."
Are they open to reading other genres, or do they specifically want non-spicy Romance/Romantasy?
The whole issue seems to me to be entirely Popular TikTok Romances-based.
@barelytolerabIe
I adore North & South. It's easily in my Top-5 books & the BBC mini-series is wonderful.
But I would never recommend it as "If you liked Bridgerton..."
I usually recommend it as "If you loved Pride & Prejudice, but also wished economic & class commentary was more center-stage."
Iโm going to need proof this letter is real.
Even as someone who has spent over two decades of life facing rejection & ridicule for being autistic & has gotten ableist feedback on writing characters like me, this reads as nonsensical.
Itโs an over-the-top caricature of ableism.
@Ophallic
What do people mean when they say they want more "non-spicy books."
The majority of books ARE "non-spicy."
Are they open to reading other genres, or do they specifically want non-spicy Romance/Romantasy?
The whole issue seems to me to be entirely Popular TikTok Romances-based.
First we suffered through, โHorror doesnโt need to be horrifying.โ
Now we have people saying that, โRomance doesnโt need to be romantic or have a HEA.โ
Whatโs next? Mysteries donโt need to be solved? Crime novels donโt need any crimes? Fantasy doesnโt need to be fantastical?
What you are is a pretentious teenager w/a superiority complex who CLEARLY doesnโt know the first thing about literature and who probably hasnโt even formally declared their major yet as a freshman or sophomore in college.
Stay in school kid.
You may actually learn something.