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🧵| [Thread Collection] A collection of all my threads on a variety of topics.

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🧵| A thread on Mary as part of the Trinity in the Qurʾān

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Muhammad literally thought that Mary was the 3rd member of the Trinity (Surah 5: 116) 😂

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One of the purposes of some modern Islamic studies academics is to undermine Islamic traditionism, and to pave the way for a more liberal, modern, way of practising the Islamic faith. In that respect, their goals align with that of modernist Muslim thinkers.

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🧵| A thread on Qurʾānic intertextual engagements with the Hebrew Bible

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🧵| A thread on the Qurʾān and Clementine Homilies: A proto-Islamic heritage I've noticed that a big complaint against the Islamic faith is there being no continuity between it and what came before it. If true, this would be odd, since the Qurʾān explicitly stresses continuity.

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🧵| Dynastic Parallelism in Luke and Surah Maryam: A thread on an eye-catching intertextual engagement in the Qurʾān

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🧵| A Qurʾānic (intertextual) Critique of Rabbinical Wisdom in al-Kahf

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🧵| A thread on the Jewish subtext of the Qurʾānic Asḥāb al-Kahf, provenance & custom. @Salemm_5

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1/ Just so you know, the co-cowner of the 'academic (apologist) Quran' subreddit @chonkshonk1 is a rabid Islamophobe with a past of insulting Islam and the Prophet Muhammad. He claims that he is not trying to ''debunk the quran'' with the DQ argument, (he is lol see attachments).

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🧵| A thread on the Qurʾānic primordial covenant and creation narrative

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isn't it funny how certain researchers that will do anything to convince you they're not anti-islamic consistently come up with revisionist theories and run apologetic blogs?

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Ultimately, the actual defeater of the Mary-trinity hypothesis is the fact that there is an entire chapter in the Qurʾān dedicated to specifically responding to the Nicene Creed. This was first put forward by Dr. Neuwirth in “The Qur'an and Late Antiquity.”

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Interestingly, much like modern-day Muslims, the 9th century Islamic theologian al-Jāḥiẓ harnessed contradictions in the Gospel accounts in order to discredit their reliability. It seems like this is not a new argument from the Muslim side.

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🧵| Qurʾānic intertextual engagements with the Talmud The Qurʾān is a rather hypertextual text, often engaging with various Judeo-Christian traditions. It is thus an extremely promising field for both critical scholarship and apologetics.

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Thread: On Dhu al-Qarnayn, Cosmology, and What-Ought-To-Be. A useful way to approach any theological "problem" in the Qur'an is to first ask the question - "What would we expect from divine revelation?" My friend @ZaidAbuHurayra has shown me how universally applicable...

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This also seems to be in line with the current scholarly consensus within Qurʾānic studies, that this verse is not a silly mistake but best understood as a polemical statement made against the deification of the Virgin Mary. (Neuwirth, Sells, “Qur'ānic Studies Today” Pg. 302)

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There are obvious elements in the Talmud that stand in contrast to monotheism. One of these is the story of the Oven of Akhnai where God admits that the children of Israel defeated him in a legal debate, this is precisely what the Qurʾān is criticising.

The Oven of Akhnai - Wikipedia

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🧵| The Jews and the Hand of God, chained or not? Q. 5:64 as a Talmudic engagement

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The Qurʾān charges the Jews with the deification of their Rabbis in Q.9:31. Now, do Jews state that their Rabbis are gods? Of course not, but that is the logical entailment of their belief according to the Qurʾānic mind. The Qurʾān relays the entailments, not verbal attestations.

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The oft-repeated claim is that the author of the Qurʾān believes Mary is part of the Trinity due to a verse found in Q.5:116 “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to take me and my mother as two gods from besides Allah?”

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Cuypers, Griffith, Sinai, Neuwirth, Sells as well as Reynolds all agree that the Qurʾānic retelling & configuration of past stories cannot be characterised as simply “borrowing” from them. The Qurʾān is a unique text, and cannot be reduced to mere sources.

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@GnosticQuran It's not a consensus

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🧵| A Gospel Deconstruction: Luke's Rejection of Mark.

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This might seem compelling at first sight, but upon closer inspection, it really is just not. It is unappreciative of the literary quality and intertextual sophistication of the Qurʾān. The author of the Qurʾān is obviously prone to use deification in a loose sense.

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These Byzantine hymns stand in stark contrast to the central message of the Qurʾān; monotheism and prayer to God alone. It is not hard to understand why the Qurʾān would attack these kinds of practises. This is more elaborated upon in the lecture below.

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@chonkshonk1 Herein you claim that ar-Razi, (I presume al-Fakhr,) al-Maturidi and al-'Baghdadi' (which one?...) and Ibn ʿAbd Rabbih held to a flat-earth cosmology, i've skimmed through what I can but I found nothing. Did you just make this up? Evidence?..

From the AcademicQuran community on Reddit: Flat Earth isn’t a “Quranic”cosmology

Explore this post and more from the AcademicQuran community

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academicquran meet up

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It is interesting how the kerygma of the Pseudo-Clementines and the Qurʾān is strikingly similar, the same goes for the Book of James. Even more interesting is that the Ps. Clementines instruct the reader to first compare the teachings of a Prophet with that of the Apostle James.

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an academic that publishes articles on his hatred of the specific denomination of a religion is an apologist, an example is @GabrielSaidR who despises the Salafi denomination of Islam and has blamed it for the terrible persecution of Christians in Egypt.

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The Qurʾān appropriates Psalmic imagery, while negating the anthropomorphism present within it.

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Now, we can appreciate that the Qurʾān may relay the entailment of known beliefs condemned as ‘Mariolatry’ by protestant Christians, also more simply known as Mary-worship. This is the likely object of the Qurʾānic critique. Mary heavily featured as a near-deity in Byzantium.

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@Haqiqatjou refute him lmao

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a monotheistic hymn from the 15th century BCE

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It's the height of obsession to block someone and then stalk them on alternative accounts to bother them

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is your daily anti ashari or salafi post really doing anything besides riling people up and boosting your ego? this is really something muslims should think about on this app

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🧵| Apostolic Succession or Deconstruction?: A review of Polycarp of Smyrna

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This just goes to show that these people cannot be trusted to run academic subreddits/servers, because they hide behind the veil of academia in public while being rabid islamophobes and apologists in private. If the owner of that subreddit has any decency he should demote chonk.

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It's weird to assume stories have a dependent relationship due to similarities, this is a common trope in western academia, this Indic tale has obvious similarities with the Qurʾānic Solomon-Ant story, but they are completely disconnected.

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@Amicus__curiae_ yeah lol, it's funny how 'traditionalist' muslims quickly fingerpoint odd fatwas from Salafi scholars, who overall do mean well, but completely ignore frankly disgusting statements from Ashari-Maturidis scholars

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Instead of explaining why and how ISIS is not Islamic after raising the question fGabriel S. Reynolds goes on and quotes a writer that says that ISIS is ''very islamic''

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You can read more on this, and different topics related to intertextuality in Surah Maryam in this paper by Dr. Dye, some points are simply far-fetched but lots of good stuff as well in my opinion.

The Qur'an and its Hypertextuality in Light of Redaction Criticism

This paper argues that the application of the tools and methods of Redaction criticism to the Qur'an can yield extremely fruitful results. Studying, more specifically, surah 19 (Maryam), it shows...

www.academia.edu

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@Rurouni_Phoenix 1. What is the evidence his horn imagery was known to Western Arabia. 2. The Neshana depicting him as two-horned doesn't prove that he was widely known as ''two-horned'' in Late Antiquity (note that I do believe he was known in the Qur'anic milieu)

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The Qurʾān's engagement with the Genesis-Joseph narrative is fascinating, I wonder why no paper has been written on it as of yet?

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@chonkshonk1 why didn't you show the entire thing?

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(2) Q.50:38/Exodus 20:11 The Qurʾān follows the six-day/period creation account of the world, but denies the theologically inappropriate notion of God resting on the seventh day. It should be kept in mind that the word used for 'days' here can refer to time-periods as well.

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Complete unacademic individual, don't see why anyone in their right mind would visit that sub, unless they're just trying to disprove Islam. That can be understood, just be honest about it instead of lying.

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This particular form of detailed awareness cannot be explained through any form of oral tradition, according to Dr. Zinner, who has recently published a paper on this particular topic expounding on the detailed Biblical knowledge of the Qurʾān.

The Qurʾān's Detailed Knowledge of the Bible:The Explanatory Inadequacy of the "Conversational" or...

The article demonstrates that the Qurʾān has knowledge of a wide scope of fine details of Biblical passages, including the Tanakh in Hebrew and Syriac (Masoretic Text and Peshitta) and the New...

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What happened to the priest in Australia is disgusting, praying for his family. We should try to settle our differences through interfaith dialogue, not violence.

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@chonkshonk1 I wonder why they were so popular, seems like a lot of Christians were averse to standard doctrines like the Trinity if they were so inclined towards circulating the Ps. Clementines. That's not a surprise, though, since Eusebius himself said most Christians rejected the Trinity.

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I personally think that this is a very fascinating intertextual engagement with the Gospel of Luke, Guillame Dye also agrees with the conclusion. I also believe that this is a good step forward in showing that the author of the Qurʾān was not just garbling traditions together.

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the syriac fathers should be taught in madrasas

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(1) Q.2:93/Deuteronomy 5:27 Q.2:93 relates a known event in Israelite history, the acceptance of the ten commandments. In Deuteronomy 5:27, the same incident is recorded, there the Israelites respond with, “we hear, and we obey”, which is ‘w’šāma‘nū w‘āśînū’ in Hebrew.

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@chonkshonk1 LOL. you clearly believe that it refuted islam and even made blogposts on it! youre a dishonest apologist - learn some decency from your mother please

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(5.5) Though the dog is not found in any extensive version of the legend, he is in fact present in a little known and primitive text known as the ‘Pilgrimage of Theodosius.’ This text makes mention of the ‘the seven sleeping brothers, and the dog Viricanus at their feet.’

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(3) A ṣaḥīḥ report confirming that this verse was revealed in response to a claim made by Jews of being given great knowledge of the Torah. Thus, we have two Talmudic intertexts in al-Kahf that are aimed at negating the Jewish claim of being given great knowledge of the Torah.

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(7) Q.38:30-32/1 King 10:28 & 1 Kings 11:11 Materialism/riches are the cause Solomon’s idolatry in the Bible, his possession horses in the Biblical account leads him to the worship of idols besides God. In the Qurʾān, his possessions of horses increases his piety.

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I think this approach to Qurʾānic intertextuality is both fresh and conservative. The Qurʾān historicising these tales is not implausible at all, since the Qurʾān seems to be negating false-cosmological elements in the Song of Alexander.

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The Ps. Clementines have some interesting anti-Paul passages, such as Peter's opponent alleging that he is more familiar with the doctrines of Jesus due to a vision, as well as Peter stating that some Gentiles ‘reject my legal preaching’, and believing falsehood about him.

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@safwanSpiker7 @shaykhu_lislaam erhm how are they no hujjah on you, they are the cavalry of the religion and the novices of the companions

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This can easily be observed if you compare the two narratives found in Q.19 together, see the image for a comparison between Zechariah and Mary. It should be noted that I don't completely agree with Dye's translation. We can see obvious similarities between the two.

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(9) Q.38:23-24/2 Samuel 12:1-3 In the Biblical account, the story of the two sheep herders is used as a parable to call David back to piety after he slept with his mistress. The Qurʾān instead presents this as a literal event and lesson, referencing the event of Q.21:79.

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The thing is that if the Qurʾān was really adhering to the same literary theme of dynastic parallelism, we would find the same kind of comparisons for John and Jesus themselves. As a matter of fact, we have just that! The Qurʾān is clearly rejecting the Lukan representation.

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The Qurʾān has evidently undermined the Rabbinic-Talmudic motif, attributing knowledge to God alone, not the Rabbis.

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@chonkshonk1 @Alfredovich65 @GabrielSaidR Which mask lol? You mean the one that you put on when you run your psyop subreddit where you try to discount Islam. You have an entire blogpost crying about how Dan doesn't like you, you're a hypocrite and a pathological liar.

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@chonkshonk1 yes lol, you promoted your post on DQ (that is meant to disprove islam) on the AQ subreddit.

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In other words, God himself was chained, according to this Rabbinic exegesis of the Book of Jeremiah. This must be what the Qurʾān is actually referencing. This engagement proves that non-Muslim texts are vital to understanding what the Qurʾān states.

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The subtext is clear! [1] The Aṣḥāb al-Kahf practised dietary law [2] They were located in Southern Israel [3] They feared the punishment of stoning [4] The Qurʾānic account features a detail purposefully omitted from the Christian versions.

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(3) Q.21:105/Psalm 37:29 The Qurʾān references & evokes this Psalm, traditionally attributed to David. Subsequently stating the actual source of the passage, the ‘zabūr.’ Evidently, the Qurʾān approves of the non-anthropomorphic psalmist passages.

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Now interestingly, the Qurʾān does the exact same thing, but in the exact opposite way; the author of the Qurʾān follows the theme of comparing the two houses, but negates their inequality by way of parallelism; putting them on the same level, as equal sides.

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(8) Q.21:104/Isaiah 34:4 The metaphor of the skies being folded as a scroll is found in Isaiah 34:4, the use of the word folded however reflects a folded garment, this is due to Hebrews 1:11-12 making use of the imagery found in Isa 34:4 and applying it to a cosmic garment.

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(10) Q.34:12/1 Kings 7:23 The Qurʾān references the massive Solomonic fountain containing molten materials featured in the Jerusalem Temple in the Book of Kings, this particular reference is most likely aimed at a more literate Jewish audience aware of certain Qurʾānic subtexts.

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(10) Dr. Zelletin goes on to say that: “in light of the evidence provided by the Didascalia, the Qurʾān’s position that it is “confirming what was before it from the book” (Q 5:48) seems plausible.”

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I should emphasise that I do not believe that a conservative Muslim has to reject the historicity of the Mūsā-Khidr narrative in order to accept my suggestion. An argument in favour of the historicity of the narrative was published here:

The Qur’an’s Engagement with Christian and Jewish Literature | Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research

The Qur'an engages with the Bible and Torah in what is known as "intertextuality". How does the Qur'an both affirm and correct Christian and Jewish literature?

yaqeeninstitute.org

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In the Song of Alexander, it is Alexander whose assistant loses his fish in a body of water when Alexander is in need of a meal, leading him and his assistant to discover their mysterious destination.

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ok this is actually hilarious.. this dude is crying about apostasy laws being criminal while calling for the murder of a denomination that opposes his beliefs @Theogeopol this is why no one takes your religion seriously

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(4) Q.5:112-114/Psalm 78:18-19 In these verses, the Qurʾān recounts a table spread in the wilderness upon request, drawing on the Psalms and re-scripting an event. This is in line with the wider Biblical tradition, wherein older figures and events serve as typological pre-types.

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@DrShoaibAM you've published so much great work on evolution & islam, but there is barely any literature on islam & miracles!

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(6) Q.57:11/Proverbs 19:17 This proverb is found and alluded to in various verses; in the Qurʾān (2:245; 5:12; 57:18; 64:17–18). Proverbs 19:17: “Whoever is kind to the poor is lending to the Lord, who will repay him the kindness done.”

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"The Jews Say the Hand of God is Chained": Q. 5:64 as a response to a midrash in a piyyut by R....

In Q. 5:64, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of describing God as a deity with a chained (maghlūla) hand, a charge the Qur'an understands as indicating divine miserliness. However, a foray into Jewish...

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@OrthodoxOrigen same thing with islamic studies, sad that some people view secular scholars as objective angels

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Interesting, this is reminiscent of the story of Moses, who converted to Islam in order to rid himself of a demonic possession he was bothered with since birth.

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Bar Hebraeus (d. 1286) tells an incredible account in his Syriac Chronicon of a man from the village of Nasraiah (Nasiriyah in Iraq?) who in the year AD 891 chose 12 disciples and (after he escaped from prison) wrote a "Book of Faith" (Ktōbō d-haymōnūthō). He claimed that Jesus

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(7) The Clementine Homilies also have a remarkably low Christology, the author states: “Our Lord neither asserted that there were gods except the Creator of all, nor did He proclaim Himself to be God.” Even more fascinating is the complete negation of a divine nature.

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@abduallah_amin @chonkshonk1 yeah i went through the references for al maturidi and ar razi and theyre both flat out wrong. dont trust these people unless they show the actual arabic text.

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(2) The occurrence and brilliant appropriation of a well-known Rabbinical motif, originally designed to emphasise the knowledge possessed by the Rabbis in v.109. See the images for a side-by-side comparison of the Qurʾānic appropriation of the Talmudic motif.

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The Qurʾān for example states in multiple verses that it is a confirmation of what came before it, (Q 5:48, 3:3, 2:97). I think that it is reasonable to conclude that the Qurʾān is referring to pre-Islamic Judeo-Christian texts, one of which being the Clementine Homilies.

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typical zionist filth

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Asking College Students if They Know Why They are Protesting via @YouTube

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@ApostateProphet @HATzortzis @abduallah_amin @shahanSean @AliAghaei_qhs She hesitates because miracles are outside the purview of the historical method. From where do you derive 'the question is not about anyone in the present'?

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me when i see another orientalist with a receding hairline

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@provingislam How is this evidence if it's over a century removed from Peter? Besides that, the Pseudo-Clementines have obvious contra-Islamic contents.

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(5) Q.38:41/Job 30:20-21 The Qur’ānic Job follows the original/older version of the Hebrew Book of Job, wherein the person blamed for Job's miseries is Satan, not God. This is in line with the wider Qur’ānic theme of the removal of sins of Biblical figures.

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The Qurʾānic version follows a very straightforward and natural cosmology, as pointed out by Yaqeen. I think this can easily be seen as evidence for Islam, since the Qurʾān purposefully rejects false & popular circulating antique cosmological motifs. (Also pointed out by Yaqeen)

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(2.1) This is odd since the Qurʾān seems to be fond of setting a powerless faithful protagonist against an evil-idolater king (Pharaoh-Moses, Abraham-Nimrod). The focus in the Qurʾānic account seems to be placed on Shirk.

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(5) This shared teaching was brought to light by Dr. Vaccarella who commented that ‘the Christian writings before it, this Islamic text claims that the scriptures have been corrupted, apparently by the hands of humans.’

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@Haqiqatjou ohh so you're an innovator AND a pedophile

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(4) The penalty the Qurʾānic companions are fearful will be imposed on them is stoning, instead of the Syriac flogging. Stoning as a punishment for idolatry is a typical Jewish penalty, not a Christian one.

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(6) In the Christian account, there is no structure constructed over the burial place of the sleepers, in the Qurʾānic account.

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(9) We can observe a great deal of continuity between these pre-Islamic Judeo-Christians and the Qurʾān. The claim that the Islamic faith is not in continuity is thus obviously false.

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(3.2) This word is derived from the Aramaic word ‘‹zky›’, it is thus a loanword derived from a Jewish context to designate a Jewish practise (Dietary law).

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