I, a lowly FY1 with a simple ultrasound machine cannulated a patient on first attempt that anaesthetics had failed 12 times on. Pinnacle of my medical career and I will never stop bragging about it
This is my pay for December, for 167 hours of work (plus I finished over an hour late on at least 3 shifts this month, 1 of which turned my 13 hour Sunday shift to 14 hours, and I was back at work less than 10 hours later) and 36 hours of annual leave
I really don't know how I feel about private patients in NHS hospitals. You're paying loads of money but you're cared for by NHS juniors, nurses, physios, etc who get no extra money. You're taking an NHS bed. Using NHS funded equipment (obs machines, cannulas, etc)
People are turning up to ED in their normal numbers (rather than thinking 'can this wait?') And I think that's largely down to the general public thinking that junior doctors are always supervised and aren't actually the majority of doctors that patient's see
Shout out to the HCA who had a go at me for not having done a discharge summary yet. It was 4.30, my shift is 8-4 and I hadn't stopped yet (I ate while requesting things)
Stopped me and said "I really want to apologise for yesterday, I felt terrible afterwards. I shouldn't have assumed that you weren't a doctor, it was wrong of me" π
The irony that I'm doing a locum today and getting unsocial hours pay (Β£40/hr), yet if I was simply scheduled to work I'd be getting the usual Β£14/hr
Had a pt (genuinely really lovely lady) say to my male reg yesterday "Ooh I was wondering when I'd see a doctor!" To which my reg explained that I am also a doctor. She apologised, we moved on, it happens most days anyway. Today I saw her again and just as I was leaving she
Not only do the general public not understand doctor pay, I'm pretty sure they don't understand what a junior doctor is either. I'm the one who gets called for all medical ward issues overnight, I'm the one who does your ward round 3 days a week and makes decisions about yourcare
There is no agenda to replace doctors with physician associates.
This is just one hospital.
This is just one 6 month period.
Credit u/sildenafil_prn
@MedReddit
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Apparently the hospital I'm at is prioritising PAs attending ALS over FY1s (PAs are not part of the crash team, FY1s are. As an FY1 on the crash team last year I only had BLS training)
Since people are complaining about comparing fy1 wage with barista.. as someone who has worked both, I can wholeheartedly say that even my worst barista shifts were nowhere near as awful as many of my fy1 shifts
Complaints of 2 hour wait at ED due to the junior doctor strikes... I waited 12 hours and it wasn't a strike day so what's your point? Strikes aren't causing anymore harm to patients than the usual chronic understaffing and funding.
Just asked switch to put me through to the on call anaesthetist and they put me through to the consultant. At home. For a cannula request. I'm never living this down.
I was FY1 on call and was handed over by a ward team to review one of their outlier patients because they didn't have time to see them at all today.. anyone else think that's not an appropriate handover job?
Why are Labour promising more medical student places like that's going to fix the problems? For the past 2 years there have been more FY1 applicants than places. There's bottle necks at all training levels. Without pay restoration, a good proportion of those are going to leave.
For Β£2100 in November I worked a 50 hour week of nights where I cover all medical patients, plus 4 further 12.5 hour on call shifts. I worked 172 hours this month, actually across 3 weeks because I had a week of AL
Every junior I know would rather have pay deducted and more days off. I think if we get full pay restoration, there is going to be a mass shift of doctors working LTFT. I would rather get paid what I am now and work 40 hour weeks than get paid more and carry on at 48 hours.
Unless my calculator is wrong, that's a take home of Β£10.79 an hour, excluding the additional unpaid hours and including the crem form pay. I worked 9.5 hours on Christmas day for just over Β£100.
House hunting as a doctor is impossible. You're telling me I've got like 6 weeks to find, view and secure a dog friendly house 5 hours away in a notoriously difficult area to find a home whilst working >40 hours/week?
Someone tell me what the 25+ hours of part time work a week whilst commuting >1hr each way every day for uni that put me in nearly Β£100k of debt for 6 years, followed by 2 years of hell on the foundation programme, working 70+ hour weeks for as little as Β£14/hr, was for?
Are nurses really so out of touch with the role of an FY1? Had one make me administer a slow IV drug because they were too short staffed so didn't have the time. Meanwhile I am the only gen surg doctor in the whole hospital. I get that nurses are busy and IVs are a pain, and I
The whole argument that junior doctors shouldn't be paid more because one day they'll earn loads is the stupidest take every. Okay let's pay everyone apart from CEOs and managers 50p an hour because one day they might be a manager themselves and earn more!
I thought you couldn't use paramedic prescribing to prescribe as a PA? In the same way if I picked up a shift as a HCA, I couldn't start making medical decisions about patient's care?
I love how many patients seem to think I'm a nurse even after introducing myself as a doctor and yet a kid in the lift yesterday managed to figure that I'm a doctor with no introductions
@Harry121212786
Yes, if I had a normal hour job. Not for 206 hours. Not for weekends/evenings/Christmas day (no nights this month). Not for the responsibility.
Why are people so pressed about me saying Β£32k isn't a terrible wage. Yes doctors deserve more for the length of training, skill and stress of the job BUT my point was you can live on Β£32k, and many families live on a lot less.
I think the saddest thing about the fact I don't want to be a doctor anymore is the sheer number of barriers I crossed to get here. First gen uni student (my parents and older brothers all left school before 18), growing up with a disabled brother, yes I went to a grammar school
I'm tired of being treated like rubbish and paid rubbish whilst having to jump through all the hoops with no actual support. I shouldn't have to fight to attend core teaching which, by definition, I'm supposed to be able to attend
Surgical rota is so short staffed I did 8am-11.30pm yesterday when I'm meant to be 8-8, which has now swapped to 11-11 for the rest of the week, doing 2 separate jobs 11-8 with another junior doing 2 separate jobs and the ward at least 1 junior understaffed
Ive prided myself on being a team player the past 2 years, picking up rota gaps, checking in on people, constantly going above and beyond for both patients and colleagues, but the reality is it has always been at the expense of my health and learning. Is medicine really that cut
The BMA are really highlighting the fact that FY1s are only paid Β£14.09/hour without actually acknowledging the impact these strikes are having on us. 3/4 days pay is a *lot* when you're on a small amount and potentially struggling anyway. "Pick up locums!" They say, like it's
This is my occasional reminder that I'm not actually anti-PA. I've worked with some really good ones and, when used appropriately, find they are of use to the team. Do I think the money spent on PAs would be better spent on doctors? Sure. Am I infuriated at their pay , working
Was on medical nights and called to review a rash or something at 3am. Whilst in the bay, glanced at the patient opposite. I asked them immediately to do obs on them. Gone from NEWS 2 at 10pm to NEWS >10. Couldn't work out why they were worried about this other persons rash when
Few weeks ago we walked into RAU and my crewmate said to me βJesus that guy looks really unwell Iβd bed his sats are in the 70sβ the ED ACP overheard and said βnah heβs fine I was just in thereβ about 5mins later a student nurse shouted for help from inside the room, Sister and
The variation in med schools across the UK is shocking. From what I hear from my housemate, I would not have ever graduated from her med school. Who's a better doctor? She is. Am I a bad or unsafe doctor? Absolutely not.
Thursday morning spent first 2 hours dealing with someone with haematemesis whilst consultant went and discharged 9 patients. Continually until I did them I got bleeped from the ward and discharge lounge to get the discharges done, despite saying that I had been dealing with an
If you're having chest pain and we think it's an MI at 3am, it's me that gets bleeped. Cardiac arrest? I'll be there. Need some pain relief? BRB just prescribing it. Ward round on the non-consultant days? Gotcha.
So tired of the never ending cycle of service provision and then portfolio being inadequate. Make it an actual training programme, or service provision. Not both
I've got an iBSc, good range of foundation jobs, national teaching programme, presented at a national conference, multiple QIs and audits, loads of teaching. How am I not even getting an interview?
People wanting to train as a doctor could achieve their degree by an apprenticeship route from September 2023.
HEE has supported partner organisations to develop the Medical Doctor Degree Apprenticeship standard which NHS organisations can now use.
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@Cazbat1978
@vikingstadt
I do understand my pay slips and rotation, and I understand I'm on slightly more an hour than you. But I don't think it's wrong to expect to be paid more for 6 years at uni, unsocial hours and looking after peoples lives.
@CleoKenington
They certainly aren't supernumerary. On surgery here it's only F1s (plus 1 F2 and a PA). Foundation rotations are important to get a good breadth. Suggesting we aren't entitled to learning opportunities is a bad take given that we are the future registrars and consultants.
So at 18, when I was studying full time at medical school, and working 25+ hours a week in retail and bar tending to afford uni, I'm also supposed to have time for compulsory volunteering??
I dont know why people are so upset about the fact that I'd rather take a year out of medicine and refresh my mindset than do a medical job I have little interest in for a year after struggling through a year of rotations I'm not interested in π€·ββοΈ
Try and help out when I can, but what am I supposed to do when the patient needs the medication, and while there's another 3 that need reviewing and another in ED to clerk?
I finished 45 minutes late tonight too
Do they just genuinely not know?
Pharmacists to offer advice and treatment for earache, impetigo, infected insect bites, sinusitis, shingles, sore throat and uncomplicated UTI.
Okay but how are they diagnosing these? Ruling out differentials? Deciding what is causing the earache?
Tbh who do I actually raise this with because it's mad. I have a lot of respect for PAs and worked with many fantastic ones (and this also isn't the PAs fault at all) but opportunities like this should be shared.
To clarify: this is definitely my pay for December. I haven't done any extra shifts, just my contracted hours. We don't get paid extra for working bank hols.
Talking about job options for next year today
Lots of seniors were shocked that I haven't had any interviews following applications considering I have an iBSc in crit care, led a national teaching programme and presented at a national conference
@lozzlemcfozzle
Absolutely not. My future pay shouldn't dictate what I get paid now. Given how difficult training places are, what if I remain an SHO forever? My pay would forever be below a PA.
@mstotty88
@Dr_Rajiology
There's loads of F3 crit care jobs. There aren't lots of medical or ED SHO jobs available either. I've been looking. Heaven forbid I want to do something I'm vaguely interested in after a year of jobs I've not been interested in
Whenever I read pt:Dr ratios I find it wild that we have 1 fy1 covering all medical patients at night (& arrest bleep) (with the support of reg... if reg isn't caught up in ed/at a stroke call)
"Just 3 juniors were covering 500 patients," London junior doc
@abrams113
told
@WHO_Europe
at the workforce conference.
"A patient told me I was a bad doctor & should be ashamed of my work...I left crying and sat in a broom cupboard."
@bmj_latest
The fact that I used my TSwift code to get my assigned med student (and 2 of her friends I dont even know) tickets rather than going to 4 shows by myself means I should win FY1 of the year
Jesus the whole point was in retaliation to a doctor saying Β£32k is impossible to live on and all I'm saying is Β£32k is a dream salary for many people. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not saying it's an appropriate wage for anyone (incl doctors)
Interestingly if I started med school this year, I'd be entitled to >Β£6000. How did student finance drop from Β£4500 to Β£3000 over the 4 years when my household income didn't change?