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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

This has been a fairly good week for tribal sequencing among Iranian groups of the Zagros! We are proud to present the lineage of the Harki Chiefs from Pirmam, Kurdistan Regional Government. The tested individual is a direct patriline descendant of Fattah Agha Herki.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

New Bakhtiari yDNA result acquired via the Iranic Genomes Project as a result of full sequencing of the Y Chromosome. The result is: J2a-M47 -> BY144360 The individual's DNA however is still in processing so these are only preliminary results.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

We're back! To those more observant, the Iranic Genomes Project has been somewhat inactive as of late on social media platforms. We are pleased to announce that, in spite of a social media hiatus, we have been working in the background, and are now back to posting data, both

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@YavuzSelim23_1 Almost all of these "Arab" families are traceably Ajam/Huwala with recorded origins in Southern Iran, particularly Laristan. There is nothing Arabian about the distribution of J2a-M47's subclades, and whoever you are QT'ing does not know what he is talking about. Here's an

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

It is with some sadness that we announce that our project's founder and now former spokesman, Azad, is stepping away from the Iranic Genomes Project for personal reasons. He has decided that it is time for him to move on, as real life demands meant that he lacked the time to

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

This individual belongs to the following tribal organisation: Bakhtiari -> Chaharlang -> Meyvand -> Fouladvand -> Khanjamali This is an important result as Iranians at large are severely undertested, and so representation on YFULL helps with understanding the nuances of Iranian

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

در سطر ذیل راهنمایی کاربردی برای انجام آزمایش دی ان ای توسط ایرانیان ساکن خارج از ایران را خواهیم داشت. برای آن هایی که ساکن ایران هستند، شما گرینه ی انجام دادن آزمایش در ایران از راه از مرکزی به نام «مای اسمارت ژن» رو دارا هستید، این مرکز قابلیت آنالیز هاپلوگروه و تبار و همچنین

The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@PooyaR2 This will depend on your preference. 23andMe and LivingDNA provide yDNA and mtDNA predictions as a part of their service. 23andMe also has possibly the most robust IBD system out there for DNA matches. MyHeritage and AncestryDNA tend to have chipsets that overlap better with

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

5 months

There is no way in which a reconstruction based on a literal neanderthal can be accepted as a valid hypothesis.

Rtam卐

@Rtam86418021

5 months

Hypothetical reconstruction of Iran_Paleo.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

For further reading on how and why the distribution of M47 on YFULL can be misleading, and why its distribution reflects a Southern Iranian one.

The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@YavuzSelim23_1 Almost all of these "Arab" families are traceably Ajam/Huwala with recorded origins in Southern Iran, particularly Laristan. There is nothing Arabian about the distribution of J2a-M47's subclades, and whoever you are QT'ing does not know what he is talking about. Here's an

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@TORUKMAKTO_1 @YavuzSelim23_1 Other than you, no one is cherrypicking anything. Go all over M47, and you'll find that most of these "Arab" families have origins that can be traced to Southern Iran. This is an reality that cannot simply be dismissed. A flag on YFULL won't change that most of these lot are

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@TORUKMAKTO_1 @YavuzSelim23_1 It is seriously advisable for you to learn the basics of statistics before discussing popgen. This also is not a rebuttal against the fact that the majority of the "Arabs" you're talking about aren't actually even Arab by any traditional/tribal metric.

🇩🇿 Abderrahim Derouiche 🇩🇿

@ARahimDerouiche

6 months

@TORUKMAKTO_1 I don't think you understand what sampling bias is. Again, if a population is not sampled enough compared to another, you can't compare them. That one Iranian sample on that branch has 100s of times the statistical weight of any of those Kuwaiti or Qatari samples.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

Large Global Outgroup F3 project incoming, to be conducted and maintained by the Iranic Genomes Project. We will be posting the data for Iranians, Tajiks, Pashtuns and Baluchis on twitter, while publishing the rest of the data through a shareable google drive link. Stay tuned!

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

Fattah Agha Herki belonged to the following tribal divisions: -> Herkî -> Mendan -> Male Îse

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@PooyaR2 This will depend on your preference. 23andMe and LivingDNA provide yDNA and mtDNA predictions as a part of their service. 23andMe also has possibly the most robust IBD system out there for DNA matches. MyHeritage and AncestryDNA tend to have chipsets that overlap better with

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

While we lack the terminal SNP that he belonged to, this is still very good progress in the right direction. Hopefully we will also be able to assist in getting this.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

Interestingly, the Banu Harb were not specified as Ajam. Rather, these graphics show other clans such as Hammadi that actively are. This sort of nitpicking defeats the purpose of honest discussion.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@TORUKMAKTO_1 @YavuzSelim23_1 I have repeatedly demonstrated that the individuals you use to prove the "Arabness" of this clade are not even Arab. You have never managed once to provide a valid counter that stands on its own axioms. Your opinions on this matter lack any basis in statistical understanding too.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Hadeirankd @TORUKMAKTO_1 @YavuzSelim23_1 It's not so much about educating him, rather others.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

This project's first iteration will take a look at 39 different modern populations, analysed using ten different outgroups. Future additions to the project are also planned, however its first iteration will focus only on the above.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@YavuzSelim23_1 @vooxfrar @TORUKMAKTO_1 Idk what the relevance of Seyyeds are, but based on the academic data, ~85% of "Seyyeds" in Iran are not even J1 (forget the Quraysh L859 clade). Iran is accordingly also the country with the highest number of false Seyyed claimants in the world per square km.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@vooxfrar @TORUKMAKTO_1 @YavuzSelim23_1 1. Appeal to authority + doesn't actually counter the (perfectly valid) point about statistical biases 2. It's a flawed one, because those clades were being attributed (incorrectly) to Arabs 3. No demonstrable relevance.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@vooxfrar @TORUKMAKTO_1 @YavuzSelim23_1 Refer to the images provided above for evidence of incorrect attribution. Ajam quite literally translates as "non-Arab" yet these same people who are "non-Arabs" acc to the Arabs are somehow evidence that this clade is Arabic in origin 😂😂😂

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

There is nowhere in which the Banu Harb are stated as Ajam.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@TORUKMAKTO_1 @YavuzSelim23_1 To be clear, and for your information, an ad hominem attack is one where the character of an "opponent" is attacked during a debate. What you've done here actually falls under "strawman" fallacy. That isn't what happened here. If you would like a nice list where logical

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

4 months

It appears an error has been made. The correct tribal structure is: Bakhtiari -> Chaharlang -> Meyvand -> Fouladvand -> Khan Qa'edi While Khanjamali is a branch of the Qa'ed line of the Fouladvands, it is not the branch that this individual belongs to.

The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

This individual belongs to the following tribal organisation: Bakhtiari -> Chaharlang -> Meyvand -> Fouladvand -> Khanjamali This is an important result as Iranians at large are severely undertested, and so representation on YFULL helps with understanding the nuances of Iranian

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@vrohi4453 Azad has informed of your ongoing situation waiting for DanteLabs' results. We will be keeping in touch with you sporadically through twitter.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@YavuzSelim23_1 @vooxfrar @TORUKMAKTO_1 The Arabs of Khuzestan number about 1.5 million people though. Compared to an 88 million population in Iran, this is a rather small number.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Ashurbanip4574 @YavuzSelim23_1 I have already answered this elsewhere. Not going to bother doing this again. What you have posted is an MDS plot of a small number of ySNPs, and if anything it shows Syrians closer to an Iranian cluster than it does show Bakhtiaris closer to Syrians.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@YavuzSelim23_1 What?

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@vooxfrar @YavuzSelim23_1 @TORUKMAKTO_1 Utilising the same substantial academic papers, under 5% of Iranians are under J1-P58, and most of them are not under Banu Quraysh L859 based on what little we see of Iranians under J1 in FTDNA and YFULL collections. 8% claim to be Seyyed in Iran. This stands as sufficient

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Factonlym35 @YavuzSelim23_1 @vooxfrar @TORUKMAKTO_1 I think this is an unfair analysis given that there are many large Arab tribes in Ahwaz such as Banu K'ab who have a very old presence in Ahwaz stretching back to the Early Islamic Period. It's more proper to refer to them as quite "mixed" rather than "not Arab" in my opinion.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

4 months

The yDNA position on the live yDNA tree has been updated, with full terminal position being J-Y576680.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Factonlym35 We do not know yet. Only E1b-Y4972 is confirmed. Hopefully we will be able to get the terminal SNP soon by upgrading to deep Y.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Ashurbanip4574 @YavuzSelim23_1 That's not really what's implied here.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Ashurbanip4574 @YavuzSelim23_1 No. This is a misconception. Bakhtiari is not a homogeneous unit, firstly. It is a large confederacy named after one tribe. This one tribe is stated in Tarikh Gozida to have come from Jabal al-Sumaq. It is the same one tribe as the Behdarvands of today, who were historically

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@vooxfrar @TORUKMAKTO_1 @YavuzSelim23_1 You're sort of defeating your own point here.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@germanicgems @wylfcen You can talk to Alfred in Old English. Can't do that in Proto-Germanic.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@PooyaR2 Ultimately the raw data file matters most. So probably AncestryDNA if you're not keen on spending too much money. Otherwise, Whole Genome Sequencing is the best.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@PooyaR2 Again, if you don't want to spend too much money on top of the money you pay for AncestryDNA, but still want to find out your in-depth haplogroup data, then YSEQ's yDNA panels are good options too.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@Silver19967452 Thanks.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Factonlym35 @YavuzSelim23_1 @vooxfrar @TORUKMAKTO_1 Yes, the famous "mawalli", I am familiar with this concept. My point is that the Arab-speakers of Khuzestan are not exclusively mawalli.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@PooyaR2 @dokhtarefars Distances can be misleading, this seems generally akin to Central Iranians. That being said Gedmatch is a pretty poor tool in certain respects.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@thesidonian @persianbaddiex The intestines sound rather tasty.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@YavuzSelim23_1 @Ashurbanip4574 The Persian Gulf.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@Rozekurdno Feel free to shoot us a DM.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Factonlym35 @YavuzSelim23_1 @vooxfrar @TORUKMAKTO_1 Interesting.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@MMohamed48106 I will check to find instances of H4a in papers.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Ashurbanip4574 @YavuzSelim23_1 This is called a "founder effect", and the founder of the Druze faith was also a Persian called ad-Darazi. M47 is notably absent in neighbouring populations to the Druze.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Ashurbanip4574 @YavuzSelim23_1 It does not.

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@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Ashurbanip4574 @YavuzSelim23_1 Hogwash

The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Ashurbanip4574 @YavuzSelim23_1 No. This is a misconception. Bakhtiari is not a homogeneous unit, firstly. It is a large confederacy named after one tribe. This one tribe is stated in Tarikh Gozida to have come from Jabal al-Sumaq. It is the same one tribe as the Behdarvands of today, who were historically

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Ashurbanip4574 @YavuzSelim23_1 What you think is of little consequence given that its distribution is almost entirely around the Persian Gulf (both sides).

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

6 months

@Ashurbanip4574 @YavuzSelim23_1 M47 is generally quite uncommon in the Levant. Subclades under M92 and even L70 are generally far more common. M47's distribution tends to be around the Persian Gulf and Southern Iran.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@Seteriz Yes, they have recently started offering this, but it is only 10 STRs and does not show much.

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The Iranic Genomes Project

@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@acisumaxout Welcome back, Ilke!

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@Iranic_Genomes

8 months

@Seteriz In my opinion, the best for a beginner is AncestryDNA. However, the tweet that you responded to is for Iranians. Who do not have access to FTDNA, or other Western companies.

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