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Adam Blumberg

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Delivering high-quality crypto education for financial advisors. Cofounder Interaxis. Trained 2k+ financial advisors in crypto & 11k+ YT subscribers

Colorado, USA

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@Interaxis8

Adam Blumberg

9 months

In 2017, my business partner Ron Dixon talked me into buying crypto for the first time. In the past 6 years, we have: - built a crypto education business dedicated to financial professionals - built a crypto YT channel with 11k+ subscribers - and much more! This is my story of

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@Interaxis8

Adam Blumberg

9 months

@ATRightMovies Matt Damon singing Scotty Doesn’t Know

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1 year

On the bright side, pretty big name to be in crypto custody, and one the SEC might not take aim at. However, seems we're set up for NASDAQ, Fidelity, and BNY Mellon to be the main crypto custodians in the US. Meet the new boss...same as the old boss

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Nasdaq Eyes Crypto Custody Launch by End of Second Quarter

Nasdaq Inc. expects its custody services for digital assets to launch by the end of the second quarter as it joins a growing pool of traditional financial firms that could fill the role of crypto...

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7 months

@AlexThomp Correction: There's an exactly 4:20 cut of the commercial. Can't be accidental

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10 months

@Judianna My grandfather was a navigator with him. They played craps together, and Jimmy Stewart got my grandfather promoted.

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4 months

@EricBalchunas ETF investors aren't trading. They're not degens. They expect the volatility, and in for the long term benefit. When they're investing 1-5%, the short term downturns also have a minimal effect on overall portfolio.

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8 months

@Timccopeland That doesn't make sense. People that have been holding BTC are choosing to move from owning that actual asset to owning a fund? Something was lost in translation

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4 years

@pitdesi Without their chosen craft, they don’t get those other opportunities.

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4 months

@mcuban 25 years ago that comment would have been a letter to the editor of the local newspaper asking: Other than gambling, porn, and selling pez dispensers, what's the utility of the internet? Someone working on "knowledge governance" should know better.

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Adam Blumberg

1 month

Car Title and Blockchain! The DMV has tokenized car titles on the @avax blockchain What does this mean? It means better tracking, no more outdated databases, and new opportunities for buying/selling cars, lending, and more! With car titles on-chain, the CA DMV doesn't need

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

It's March 2020. Bitcoin is trading below $6,000. ETH below $100. NFTs sales are non-existent. DAOs are not popular yet. What would you get into first?

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Picked up my new license plates today. @AaveAave

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2 months

@litcapital I think it’s worse that I am from the US and watch this as part of our presidential election process

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

The podcast between @APompliano and @mattysino was straight 🔥 They talk about so many interesting things: - Solana - FTX - SBF - China + India As an advisor, a few things struck me about Matty's investment thesis🧵

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Another round of funding for a crypto-custody company. It's @CaitlinLong_ Avanti Financial Group. Caitlin has been a pioneer in the crypto space and what she's doing for digital assets-based banking is amazing. @Blockworks_ article by @LizBitCoyne

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Adam Blumberg

1 year

Today is my grandfather’s 100th bday Flew 36 missions in Europe in WW2. Received flying cross Met the Queen Received a promotion from Jimmy Stewart Married to my grandmother for 67 years Still tells dirty jokes and wins at poker. Ultimate role model

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4 months

Trying to plan my day tomorrow Is there a certain time we expect to hear from the SEC? Can I slot it in mid-morning so I have time to have my coffee, and have the rest of the day to scroll? @EricBalchunas @JSeyff @NateGeraci

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Got home from #mcon2021 last night. Best conference I’ve ever attended. Not hyperbole to say the people at that conference are going to have a bigger positive impact on the world than any group I can think of.

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8 months

@iampaulgrewal This is actually incorrect Those currencies need to be invested in something to earn yield. They don’t do so natively.

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

In 2022, real-world assets on DeFi will be worth $100 million. What is this market? And why does it matter? 🧵

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

@mrexits That house is in Kingwood, not Houston. Kingwood is all chain restaurants and sprawl and probably a 60 - 90 minute commute to downtown.

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

If anyone wants to start building DAOs there are a lot of resources on the internet But very few experiences of success and failure In this 🧵 we list down all our experiences of building not one BUT two DAOs 👇

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Adam Blumberg

4 months

@ErikVoorhees Bitcoin is more aligned with the original ideas of America. The dollar is more aligned with the current 'Murica. Backed by guns and private bank accounts

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

And the time has come! Looking forward to joining the CoinDesk team at #Consensus2021 , May 24-27! Join us as we discuss the crypto’s mainstream adoption through NFTs, ETFs, central bank digital currencies, and more. Register:

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Adam Blumberg

8 months

@xlampsx @Timccopeland Now I see that line in a comment after the initial post. I made the mistake of not reading every comment in the post. Thank you for using your twitter anonymity to make a snide remark instead of kindly calling my fault out.

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Adam Blumberg

1 year

Real world assets and credit are now being digitized and integrated into DeFi protocols, transforming traditional finance as we know it The power of pooled funds is creating unprecedented array of borrowing opportunities. @maplefinance @goldfinch_fi

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Real World Assets Lending

Real world assets and credit are being brought on chain through DeFi protocols, allowing people to pool money and lend it out to real businesses and people. ...

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Adam Blumberg

1 year

@Jason @POTUS @SecYellen Tomorrow morning, depositors will get up to their $250k FDIC insured amount. Plus 50% of additional deposits The rest is 3-6 months but they will get 100%. Those that need more than the 50% above $250k can easily get a loan against the guarantee Where's the crisis?

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

Maybe my favorite morning walk. Crossing the Brooklyn Bridge before the start of @MessariCrypto #Mainnet2022 . Of course, with the ever present @maplefinance hat.

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

An exciting announcement from Interaxis: Interaxis and CPE World, two digital asset education companies, are merging to form a comprehensive platform to teach financial advisors and accountants how to incorporate cryptocurrencies into their practices.

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Minted an NFT with a pic of my daughter on @DefiNft . Put the equivalent of her piggy bank money + tooth fairy money into $OHM and staked it, and put the $sOHM into the NFT, and locked it for a year. @OlympusDAO Once a year when we count her piggy bank, we'll do it again.

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Hey Mom, look I made it on @business , @BloombergTV ! 🙋‍♂️ Great fun talking to Bloomberg's @RomaineBostick , @riggsreport , and @CarolineHydeTV about Crypto, DeFi, NFTs and the Metaverse!

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

Interesting question from a large group of CPAs yesterday: The banking system has been around for hundreds of years. Why do we think we should replace it with DeFi now? 👇👇

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

@d_evvy @chainyoda @AaveAave @centrifuge I think this will be a top 3 story in crypto/DeFi in 2022. Real World Assets and DeFi. Mortgages, invoices, income streams

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

Tellor is providing a much-needed service - getting off-chain data on chain, and doing so in a decentralized manor. Very excited. @WeAreTellor @JustBrendax @themandalore9

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

In 2021, we helped 100+ financial advisors get started with digital assets and DeFi! From understanding Bitcoin basics to client conversations. In 2022, the goal is to reach 1,000 advisors and grow the @PlannerDAO community!

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

Looking forward to @MessariCrypto #Mainnet2022 next week. I get to deliver a talk called "An RIA Walks into a DAO" in which I'll discuss @PlannerDAO . We're bringing education, compliance, technology, and incentives to financial services.

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Just finished this great podcast with @CamiRusso for @DefiantNews , with @thattallguy . Always interesting to hear about Social Tokens, #DAO 's, etc. Thinking more in terms of wealth creation than income.

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"There Will be Billion-Dollar Communities on the Internet:” Jess Sloss by The Defiant - DeFi Podcast

In this week’s episode we speak with Jess Sloss, the instigator of Seed Club, a DAO that builds and invests in community tokens. We talk about the emergence of the social token economy, and how...

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

To all the #DeFi projects. Some of you are looking for funding, or users. It might help to have a video to explain it in simple terms. We can create a 15-25 minute whiteboard video of your project. Payable in crypto - 1 ETH. DM for requests.

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1 year

@mattysino She gives really bad takes full of bad information...but she's remarkably consistent with it

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

This is how finance should work! No regulation needed here. Transparent books Quick responses Excellent risk management Thank you, @M11Credit and @maplefinance

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M11 Credit

2 years

1/ After reconciling and validating information on exposure to FTX and FTT from borrowers across our pools on @maplefinance we want to share the following insights. In summary: No loans to Alameda, limited FTX exposure and robust overall health of the loan book. A thread:

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Adam Blumberg

5 years

As we delve further into the risks in DeFi, we first have to address the next concept. Last video introduced Smart Contracts. Now we'll tackle #oracles Mentioned: @BandProtocol @UMAprotocol @chainlink

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Oracle in Decentralised Finance | Meaning & Explanation | Interaxis.io

In this video, we will talk about oracle and its meaning in decentralized finance.__________________________________________________Watch the next video: htt...

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Advisors in 2017: This Bitcoin thing is a bubble, stay away. Advisors in 2020: DeFi isn’t going to change anything. Advisors in 2021: These NFTs are just jpegs, save your money. Advisors in 2022: I really need to start learning about Bitcoin, DeFi, and NFTs.

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Adam Blumberg

9 months

@CoinDesk @sndr_krisztian I see a future where TradFi and DeFi are working together, and I believe Coinbase could play a big role. Whether that is custodying Bitcoin for ETF companies, or tokenizing assets for institutions on the blockchain.

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Adam Blumberg

6 months

Late last year, @RasterlyRock of @BitwiseInvest listed 10 predictions for digital assets for 2024. One of them was that bitcoin will hit an all time high again, driven by ETFs, halving, etc. Looks pretty accurate so far.

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Sitting here with my grandfather on his 98th birthday. He was a navigator in WW2. He’s telling us about shooting dice and playing poker with Jimmy Stewart, who was his supervisor, and had him promoted. Had no idea until today.

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

@twobitidiot Several months ago I asked about DCG’s solvency, mainly because they were funding @circle yield. Your response was “if DCG goes down, we all died already.”

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

There has plenty of negative around crypto for a few weeks, mainly in the CeFi realm. Hopefully this spurs actual adoption of the tech, rather than investment-only "adoption" Here are some important projects I want to highlight: 👇👇

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

@camiinthisthang Different Last one there were no use cases, no DeFi, and it was very speculative This feels a bit more painful because the networks are more legit. However, full confidence in the tech. The bear is for prices, not uses. Keep building

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

People often say “DeFi will change the way banking works.” But how exactly will this happen? How will wallets allocate for retirement savings versus children’s allowance and will this be better than the current financial system? Here I try to run this thought experiment:

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

Need to just appreciate the @EtherealSummit over the last couple days. Incredibly well done. That is how virtual summits should be done. Congrats to @DeFi_Dad and the team.

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Adam Blumberg

9 months

@RyanSAdams - High demand for blockspace on the network. - ETH turning deflationary. - Big institutions like JP Morgan using Ethereum to tokenize assets. Ethereum's investment theses has everything lining up for it.

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Adam Blumberg

6 months

About a foot of snow so far. Still gotta get outside and play a little.

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

Such an honor to be a guest writer for @BanklessHQ . We’ve been a subscriber since the beginning. Thanks @RyanSAdams and @DeFi_Dad for holding us up. As financial advisors we see the benefit in #DeFi for the unbanked, and everyone. Look at it as investment. Stay safe.

@RyanSAdams

RYAN SΞAN ADAMS - rsa.eth 🦄

4 years

What do financial advisors think about DeFi? Most don't know it exists. It's too out there. Too scary. But I found one Financial Planner that's down with DeFi Adam from @Interaxis8 shares how to Invest in DeFi like a Financial Planner Read:

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2 years

Thought it was important to post this again today. The price of the tokens are irrelevant compared to the tech and the system being built.

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Why Crypto Will Make It!

There has been so much talk about the possible value of crypto assets, and opinions on both sides as to whether those assets should have value.Our opinion as...

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Thanks for the name change @Blockworks_ Was getting tired of Adam anyway!

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5 months

School gala theme is 1964. We went Mad Men. Did we pull it off?

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2 years

Step 2 - Got my Bitcoin Billy from @benmezrich and @FrensWithBeNFTs

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Adam Blumberg

5 months

On May 30, 2024, we will be organizing a private FA/RIA Day at Consensus with @CoinDesk . This will be your chance to: 👉 Learn the nuances of the most important topics in the digital assets space, such as financial security, tokenization, and risk management. 👉 Network with

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Adam Blumberg

1 year

New week - more Real World Assets DAOs cannot invest in treasuries because they aren't corporations. Protocols like @maplefinance and @OndoFinance are buying treasuries with USDC.

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

I have finally completed my second reading of the Crypto Review of the CFP Curriculum by @OnrampAcademy Twice? Why? 1 I'm a CFP 2 I'm kinda into crypto education 3 The time @DeadCaitBounce @jus10castelli & @eriksmithcfp put into it warrant my time.

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Onramp Academy

3 years

1/ Today we are excited to release a comprehensive, 55-page review of the CFP curriculum through the lens of cryptoassets. The report is available for all Academy members and can be accessed here

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

***Financial advisors*** Go buy some crypto (can be USDC or DAI) Move it to a wallet (not part of an exchange) That's it This isn't financial advice This is career advice

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Imagine someone in 1994 saying "Why are you sending an email when you can write a letter?" That's exactly what it feels like when someone says, "Why do you want to send money through crypto when you can use the bank?"

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

There's no easy place to start learning about crypto. So, bookmark this thread because we're covering starting educational docs you'll need when you're entering the world of Bitcoin and DeFi We'll constantly keep adding to these with new findings! Here are some of my favorites

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Part of the benefit of #DeFi is that it unlocks value we were previously unable to utilize. It also makes the process more efficient to find and realize value. This isn't entirely new, but moving fast. Some examples 👇👇👇

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

Really great op-ed from @indexcoop This is a key time to not only distinguish the difference between CeFi and DeFi for those outside, but to look inward and make sure we're abiding by the ethos we portray.

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Index Coop 🦉

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We must make it clear that the failures of FTX are not just unlikely to afflict true DeFi, but that they would be impossible under the immutable, decentralized, transparent and permissionless nature of DeFi

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5 years

Oracles have definitely been the talk of the DeFi community in the last week. Here is our conversation with @WeAreTellor @JustBrendax #DeFi #Oracles

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Adam Blumberg

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@RealEmirHan The Americans

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

This is why we do what we do! I've been receiving calls, text, emails, DMs...all asking if I'm done in crypto now. Too many scams, hacks, schemes, liquidations, bad actors, good people making bad claims, etc. Times like this are WHY WE ARE EDUCATING ADVISORS! 👇👇

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

@morganhousel Was talking about that with a neighbor. There are some GameStop cashiers that are ready to retire on their stock option gains now. "You said my video game infatuation wouldn't pay, Dad!...Scoreboard!!"

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

Independence bike parade…still have @maplefinance represented.

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

Can't say enough how impressed I am with how far @CamiRusso has brought @DefiantNews . I subscribed when it first launched, and #DeFi was barely started. Now interviewing billionaires and bringing them to our world. Congrats!!

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Excited for this. We have known @sidbpowell and @maplefinance for some time, and thrilled the protocol is launching. Congrats to the Maple Finance team.

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Maple

3 years

We are proud to announce the upcoming mainnet launch of the Maple protocol and the details of the Liquidity Mining program🥞 Maple's decentralized corporate debt marketplace will grant crypto-native companies access to on-chain growth capital🚀

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7 months

Financial advisors, I'm guessing you have clients asking about crypto by now Understanding if and how to help clients allocate will be important This is a conversation you may need to have soon If you’re not sure about these conversations, the @consensus2024 FA/RIA Day is the

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Adam Blumberg

1 month

Hope everyone can find someone who will do a 2-day trip to NYC in August to see a play with you. There’s also a few cocktails, some fantastic food and shopping thrown in.

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Adam Blumberg

1 year

This is definitely the dumbest bank run and crisis ever. SVB seemed to have plenty of liquidity to sustain normal business, and didn't take on anything overly risky. We're not in a war or some other "crisis" requiring everyone to have cash. It seems a few people got spooked

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

I'm done arguing - on social media or otherwise - with those that are vehemently anti-Crypto, anti-DeFi, anti-Web3. I'll just keep teaching more people about how it works and why it can be important. If you have legit questions, ask. If you're trying to pick a fight, I'm out

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Adam Blumberg

7 months

Financial Advisors! Your favorite word - FREE! Consensus 2024, the world's largest crypto conference, is taking place in May in Austin, TX, produced by @CoinDesk . And you can attend for FREE! First, why would a financial advisor attend a crypto conference? You know your

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1 year

Looking forward to this call tomorrow. Good for ETH community to talk about advisors, and for advisors to learn more about ETH staking

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Rocket Pool

1 year

Our next Community Call will feature Adam Blumberg, CFP ( @Interaxis8 ), co-founder of PlannerDAO/CDAA. We'll chat about how financial advisors view crypto, & ETH staking in particular. Plus there's a big bi-weekly update to cover! 👇Join the Twitter Space @ 1am UTC on 26 April

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2 years

The best part of this crypto bear market is the insane amount of building going on, both on-chain and off. The price of the assets is largely irrelevant at this point. The value in the underlying systems is the important part.

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Adam Blumberg

8 months

@NateGeraci I think @Matt_Hougan knows a thing or two about ETFs

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

If you’re at @MessariCrypto and want to learn more about the RIA/Financial Advisor space and crypto, I’m talking about it in 10 mins. Come join us.

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Adam Blumberg

8 months

@Matt_Hougan I don't think anyone knows how to value Coinbase? Just looking at transaction and custodial fees is short sighted. How do you value an Ethereum L2, coupled with on/off ramps and custody? How do you value a tokenization platform being piloted in UAE?

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7 months

@HHorsley Interestingly, the data centers that are essentially bitcoin mining facilities are also going to house computers processing AI and graphics rendering. Bitcoin mining pushed the ability to profitably house data centers anywhere.

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Adam Blumberg

10 months

Please forgive me, but today will be a more personal post. Today is Veteran's Day, and something pretty special happened last night. There are less than 120,000 WW2 vets still living in the US, and my grandfather is one of them. I posted about him in August when he turned 100.

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

So everyone has seen that Andreessen Horowitz @a16z has closed their latest Crypto Fund with $515 million. If any protocols, Dapps, DeFi, etc. would like a whiteboard video to help with adoption or fundraising, DM us.

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

New hat for my morning @Stepnofficial walk with the dogs. Thanks, @maplefinance

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

Early last year I bought $SNX for $0.30. Had it locked this whole time. When I met @mediodelphi in San Fran he told that was amazing price and it will fly up. Good call.

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Adam Blumberg

1 year

Last day in the office that launched Interaxis. Off to Colorado.

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2 years

‘Cuz we’re the three best friends that anyone can have…🎶. @DeFi_Dad @BraveDeFi

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

My friend @DeFi_Dad pointed out this great report from @KenzieSigalos from ETHCC

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Ethereum creator excited for crypto upgrade to minimize gas fees and make the blockchain more...

CNBC's MacKenzie Sigalos reports on news from the Paris Ethereum Community Conference.

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Adam Blumberg

1 year

@CampbellJAustin @EleanorTerrett @BradSherman Brought to you by the team that continues to allow stock trading by those that make the laws. I guess its ok to be the ultimate insider traders as long as they pay their taxes.

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

The Bitcoin for Advisors conference from @CoinDesk is underway! @TR401 and @APompliano kicking it off right! If this is something you're fired up about, we can teach you a bit more:

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Adam Blumberg

10 months

On-chain structured products are an underrated area of DeFi asset management. What are on-chain structured products? On-chain structured products are somewhat like funds (e.g. mutual funds or ETFs), but using crypto assets on the blockchain. The investment portfolio is created

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@Interaxis8

Adam Blumberg

3 years

“This project is great, you should get in early” Me:

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

Again, Financial Advisors. Clients are now going to get directly into crypto and DeFi whether you're prepared or not.

@RobinhoodApp

Robinhood

2 years

A wallet worth the wait. Beta testing is now live for 10K customers from the waitlist, with @0xPolygon as the first blockchain supported. You could be next:

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Adam Blumberg

4 years

7/ ...and that just happened - I can now get loans based on my #NFT art and collectibles. @nftfi

NBA Top Shot CEO Backs Platform for Loaning Out NFTs - Decrypt

NFTFi secured $890,000 in investments from top NFT execs, venture capitalists and companies.

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Adam Blumberg

3 years

Was at a 6 year old bday party tonight, talking to the other dads. They were all asking me if I think crypto is even going to make it since it’s been down lately. I forget how few people are as immersed as we are.

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

The ABSOLUTE FUCKING AUDACITY of the US government to try to disconnect a new technology and industry from the banking system is appalling. Of all countries...the one that almost 250 years ago fought the incumbent system because they thought there was a better...

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Adam Blumberg

1 year

@fintechfrank But look at the crap they're keeping - ETC, LTC, SHIB

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Adam Blumberg

2 years

@rleshner Of course they are. They can't get those yields otherwise

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