@Rrrrnessa
The UK education system teaches the rise of the Nazis in detail at several points in its school history curriculum - at KS3, as an extensive option for GCSE History, and likewise as an extensive option for A-Level History. Leave us out of this.
@CllrDanielFry
@YTFC
If the sticker just said "Stop the Boats", maybe your argument would hold some water. Alongside the other phrase on the sticker, "Ausländer Raus" - the German-language equivalent of "Send 'Em Back" - the xenophobic & racist associatons are clear. A slogan of the German far-right.
@MartinRemains
This kind of vapid triumphalism is hardly going to help shore up the current electoral sandcastle. Labour *will* need to show that it can regain those votes in big cities in order to hold urban seats in 2029. He's right, whether you like him or you impugn his motives.
@flying_rodent
The journalist who covered this for the Mail is a certain recent graduate who, as a student, was responsible for running a fraudulent and toxic campaign to get a professor sacked at Bristol Uni.
She has form for lying about people and damaging their careers for political ends.
Part of the admittance that Sde Taiman is Israel's Abu Ghraib should also be the recognition that, like Abu Ghraib, many/most of the detainees are civilians pulled off the streets without reasonable suspicion or charge.
Instead you still talk of "Hamas prisoners".
Shameful.
Israel now has its own Abu Ghraib.
The investigations into the horrible state of affairs in Sde Taiman was instigated due to international pressure. Human rights organizations and the foreign media had amassed a large amount of incontrovertible evidence that detainees in the
@derJamesJackson
As frustrating a place as Britain can be to live, I think it's easy for us to underappreciate just how socially liberal the UK is compared even to similar neighbouring countries. Seems doubtful to me that 1/5 of England fans would be uncomfortable with the ethnicity of players.
@BobCrauford
@shashj
Do you think the population is actually growing by 1.2m+ per year? Bandying about the headline figure from a recent spike is meaningless without contextualising net migration, and its change over time (avg 245k/pa/25y). My bank account doesn't grow by the amount I earn each year.
@JamesDeroest
@RaggedTP
The idea that the promotion and enforcement of a neoliberal economy since the election of Thatcher in 1979 has nothing to do with 'capitalism', and has not been demonstrably destructive to the capacity of the state to support the social fabric, is frankly laughable.
@stephenkb
I'm a qualified ref and it was actually a penalty, so weirdly it's genuinely some sort of self imposed anti-England bias on show amongst those insistent otherwise.
@Lanceloadin
@tariq_raouf
I think openly gay bars are a clumsy metric to judge by, as they are not the sine qua non of queer spaces. Male homosexuality has quite a complicated history in the Levant and indeed in Islam, so what open queer spaces in Palestine ideally look like will be different from a pub.
@prescottcraig
@tanushkamarah
Craig, this is a serious crime against the democratic process no matter who the candidate is. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@CameliaDewan
@Rrrrnessa
You are attacking someone who agrees with you. I have a PhD in History from Oxford and I think that English culture in particular is greatly harmed by obsession with an imagined, sanitised version of World War II. My point was simply that Nazism is taught in our History classes.
Hi
@DavidLammy
- why does it appear that we are materially supporting Israel's war of aggression with military recon flights? Is Britain a co-belligerent and complicit in Israeli war crimes being committed against the Lebanese public?
just to underline this. a British military reconnaissance plane did a lengthy tour over Lebanon just two days before Israel's onslaught on the country started.
@harryph
@Peston
Her gripe basically amounts to a single use of the word 'disastrous' to describe her 2022 budget. It is a non-story about a non-issue raised by a nonentity.
Incredible really that the Oxford NHS trusts, University of Oxford, Oxford Brookes University, Oxford City Council, and Oxfordshire County Council, are all jointly willing to call out these riots as racist and discriminatory, but the government will not openly use those words.
@johnwalker_1986
The squad and coaching team at League One Birmingham this season is better than that on display at Championship Birmingham last season. Maybe the result and performance tonight was not down to Rangers being bad.
@UrbaneSlave
@apptitu
@faizashaheen
@Keir_Starmer
Maybe the Labour Party should not have treated her so disgracefully, then. The loss of voters over this goes beyond the constituency. It is a signal to a range of people who saw themselves represented in Faiza Shaheen that the Labour Party does not value their engagement.
@Rrrrnessa
This is nothing to do with the UK school curriculum, which - contrary to Arnesa's assertion - does teach the rise of the Nazis, propaganda, dehumanisation, the step-by-step tightening of repression of out-groups, etc.
@CameliaDewan
@Rrrrnessa
I've also taught History within the UK education from 9yos up to Oxford undergrads. The idea that there is not scope nor provision in the curriculum as it stands for children to learn to think critically about British history, especially WWII, just isn't true.
@Rrrrnessa
I've quite literally taught History at KS3, so before GCSE, and I know for a fact that schools that teach History well definitely teach the rise of the Nazis, usually at Year 9, from the ideological beginnings, through the various steps and phases, to WWII and the Holocaust.
@Rrrrnessa
There is an issue with the obsession with WWII in popular culture, which is flattened into good vs evil, often gives the UK far too much credit for its role, and is used as an unhealthy proxy for feeling positive and proud of contemporary Britain. This is cultural nostalgia.
@anunsafespace
@OwenJones84
I don't know how many times it needs saying that LGBTQ+ rights are universal human rights that should be respected everywhere, but not respecting them doesn't justify industrial-scale military annihilation.
It's really not hard. NATO isn't bombing Uganda for its homophobia.
@CameliaDewan
@Rrrrnessa
Again, you are attacking someone who agrees with you. I think it should be taught more widely (untrue to say that it is not taught at all), as should imperial history beyond just the beginnings of the slave trade. That was not really what was up for discussion here though.
@rcolvile
@thetimes
Your analysis of the left here is complete and utter lazy nonsense. Galloway is a climate sceptic, homophobe, transphobe, and religious social conservative. He has very little in common with those you have hand-picked as his potential bedfellows, especially the Green Party.
@SMartinStafford
@OwenJones84
Frankly bizarre comment. Do you demand to hear from every gay person their position on global gay rights?
Many local campaigners actually dislike interference from European/American activists anyway, as it plays into the narrative of LGBT people being a 'western invention'.
@Samanth27787402
@mehdirhasan
@JewishChron
@JakeWSimons
I take it that the Israeli journal that ran the investigation into the Jewish Chronicle's completely false piece, and the UK media regulator that has repeatedly censured the Jewish Chronicle for publishing falsehoods, are both also out to see "every Jew dead"?
@jkanalysis7
He gets abuse because the vast majority of armchair Prem fans only ever see him play once in a blue moon, so if he doesn't walk on water when they happen to watch him, it must be that he's overrated.
@History__Speaks
Your obvious enthusiasm for your subject and passion for being an active public historian is heartening, but I would advise you to quit this little spat now and take some time to reflect. You might end up regretting it later, and it really isn't worth all that.
@campbellclaret
@ThangamDebb
Politicians should not exploit football clubs for photo ops, and clubs should not allow themselves to be exploited. A Shadow Culture Sec should probably get that.
@giulio_mattioli
Managing to come across as xenophobic against other Europeans in order to defend xenophobia against brown children is probably not quite the clever look she thinks it is.
@thinkerbellllle
@mehdirhasan
Not sure if it's more cute or arrogant of Americans to imagine that your choice of president automatically endangers democracy in e.g. Western Europe. At the same time that Americans have become more polarised, e.g. British voters have got less partisan and more volatile.
@apcwwfc
Oh, you were joking? It looked for all the world like you were crying your eyes out that you'd lost to a club that is finally beginning to feel good about itself again. Fair play to Wycombe for getting two, because the actual standard of play on the pitch was a chasm.
@JoeTruzman
@alexbward
It's almost as if there is not a feasible military solution to this problem... Incredible how the myopia of military analysts causes you guys to consistently miss the obvious on this. Perhaps try consulting a Historian once in a while.
@derJamesJackson
I would stand by the idea that, on a cultural level, there's greater acceptance of ethnic & sexual minorities as normal in much of the UK than in many neighbour countries. There are also lots of angry racists still about, easily manipulated. Widespread condemnation of the latter.
@OwenJones84
If his parents came here from the country that people have been claiming, it's a 97.9% chance that he's not a Muslim at all. It really is mindless hate.
@Rrrrnessa
I also work with state schools and teachers all year round, so I'm well aware that there are big discrepancies between what schools should teach and what they do/can teach. There are definitely serious deficiencies, but what surprised me is that I wouldn't have said Nazis was one
@MaxNordau
@AbujomaaGaza
It was evil for Hamas to operate out of all three of those aid worker vehicles, and the church where those Christians were sheltering, and the skyline into which those IDF soldiers videoed themselves indiscriminately firing, and the space inside the heads of those sniped children
@awswain
@nelsabbey
The defence successfully argued that it was not a racial slur in its use on the placard. That's the opposite of a 'technicality'. The case wasn't dropped over a technical issue - the defence won by successfully arguing that it was not a hate offence.
@CliveNachas
@ori_goldberg
"We killed them all because Hamas made us kill them" is still genocide, you weirdo. The belief that one must exterminate the other preemptively is classic genocidal thinking, and the root of many a genocidal campaign.
@AyoCaesar
What did Edward Barton, second English ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, *really* mean when he wrote in 1593 that the Ottoman nişancı, Hamza Paşa, was his "especiall friend who secretly cometh to visit me divers tymes in the night delightinge to drink wine"? 👀
@OwenJones84
Happy birthday, Owen. Hope you're well.
Maybe it would be good just to leave this at "a shame some Jewish people were made to feel ostracised from a rally supposed to be unifying by a post that suggested that their acceptance in the community is contingent on their politics."
@SaulStaniforth
The only thing two-tier in what he's talking about is his insistence on focusing on one notable instance involving idiotic Muslim lads over the context of widespread white nationalist violence. I know black friends chased in the street in Brum & Asians staying home to stay safe.
@anunsafespace
@OwenJones84
I'm sorry, Richard. That simply isn't true. The evidence of Israeli targeting of civilians (including children), aid workers (domestic and international), and rendition of civilians to abusive prison camps in Israel, is overwhelming.
@derJamesJackson
The horse has bolted given how many people have already been sacked for criticism of Israel rather than anything to do with their academic roles. I would certainly think twice about working at or collaborating with German institutions at the moment.
@flying_rodent
Indicative of the state of foreign policy thinking in this country that he thinks this is a really clever photo op, jogging wearing a slogan that nobody is contesting rather than engaging in any serious conversations about the conflict and resultant genocide.
@mehdirhasan
@Keir_Starmer
@lukeakehurst
@faizashaheen
There is more than one antisemitism complaint registered against him with the party in relation to this, as I also put one in this morning, pointing out that it is the same kind of profiling and essentialism as calling Sunak a 'coconut' or far-right 'race traitor' narratives.
@ReadReceiptOnX
@PhilipProudfoot
@Ye_Olde_Holborn
Personally I would look at diversifying away from this goose-based economy towards something more sustainable than a magic cloaca. Perhaps something that is more evenly and productively distributed throughout that economy than golden eggs, which by their nature resist division.
@96Henrique
@MartinRemains
I'm confused at your response that seems to have missed my point entirely. Labour will want to stay in power, which will rely on retaining their banker seats. That means not putting e.g. Phillips or Streeting in a position where they are under threat from insurgents to their left
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@StanCollymore
Which is also, funnily enough, where the expression "crossing the Rubicon" comes from, with a similar meaning - since the River Rubicon was a boundary past which Roman generals were not to lead their armies. This meant Caesar was in open rebellion and would either win or die.
@SaulStaniforth
Come on, Saul. Needlessly putting 'Zionist' on a poster listing undesirables wanted out of Finchley along with the far-right was always going to antagonise the sizeable local Jewish community pointlessly. Don't be a div.
This is disgraceful framing from
@ITV
and the
@itvnews
@ITVNewsPolitics
teams who were stage-managing this spectacle.
@julie_etch
completely sanitises and censors the question for the two politicians, allowing them to avoid any of the difficult nuance of the original question.
⚠️UTTERLY SHOCKING BIAS⚠️
An audience member asks a question about
#Gaza
.
The host,
@julie_etch
, summarises by describing October 7th as an "atrocitiy" and the Israeli slaughter as simply "what unfolded after".
Engineered famine, ethnic cleansing, bombing hospitals and refugee
If Israel is the party in existential peril,
@DavidLammy
, and does not attack civilians... Why are we scrambling to evacuate our citizens from Lebanon?
Perhaps the UK government could consider evacuating itself from Oppositeland, stop arming Israel, and uphold international law?
The UK has worked with partners to increase flights and secure seats for British nationals to leave Lebanon. We are contacting those who have registered with us.
My message to British nationals:
➡️ Register your presence
➡️ Book the first available flight
➡️ Leave now
@RomyCerratti
@derJamesJackson
I also think that it would be a valid criticism of my point to question how different it would be if, like Gmny, players from minority backgrounds on the England team were also Muslim. But then cricket seems to suggest that this would still not be a problem for most English fans.
@owenjonesjourno
Extremely odd that people feel the need to relitigate Corbyn... Must be that their poor widdle anointed heir is not having a very good time now he has his fragile little bum on the throne!
@jfoster2019
@JustinWelby
@churchofengland
You're talking nonsense, Jacqueline. Hamas didn't exist when Israel first started expropriating land of Palestinian Christians and mistreating them. Israel attacked Lebanon more than twice as much in the past year as Hezbollah has attacked Israel. "But... Hamas!1!" is stupidity.
@Dan_1581
@PippaCrerar
Maybe he should actually back that up in his actions then, as opposed to slithering around like a grotesquely tumescent eel, trying not to get nailed down on anything that might offend the war criminals in Tel Aviv.
@evocone
@derJamesJackson
I wouldn't pretend for a second that racism has magically disappeared from English football. However, as someone who has been to a hell of a lot of English football, the situation is unrecognisable from when I was little. Likewise on homophobia. It's worth acknowledging progress.
@sul94544
@matthayesthfc
@Como_1907
Chan is part of his name. Jackie Chan is not his name. Jackie Chan is not from the same country as him. The player was deeply offended.
That's what all the fuss is about. It's not difficult; nobody is 'hustling'. Wolves made complaints on Hwang Hee-chan's behalf; nobody else's.
@Johnsuarez89
@PhillWatson1970
@johnmcternan
Universities *will* collapse, though. Some are already in dire straits due to the funding model being fundamentally broken. A war on international students will absolutely push some universities under, which ultimately means fewer educational routes for British people.
@GarySpedding
Not sure that's entirely true on this occasion, Gary. The photo was pilfered from a supporter of Israel who had taken photos at a NYC demonstration that included people alongside the woman pictures holding signs that said "kill the hostages". Check the replies to Levy for this.
@juamesedwardo
@krishgm
Not just this, but the 2022 judgement that people under investigation have a reasonable right to privacy. It's also possible, given his profile, that there were reporting restrictions in place so as not to undermine the case.
It will help if the BBC makes this clear now, though.
@WinterFell1701
@faizashaheen
The idea that this is in any way the fault of the left, when the most right-wing Labour Party apparatus in its history decided to deselect a popular and embedded local candidate for reasons purely related to its own venality, simply does not stack up.
@SolihullMoors
Maybe I'm not a case you should worry too much about, as I do live 40 miles away, but these kinds of ticket prices basically rule out the possibility that I'd be able to pop back just for a Moors game if I wasn't already in town. The game would cost more than my train travel.
@JossSheldon
I told my local Labour candidate, now MP, that I thought Starmer was a pathological liar.
His response was along the lines of: "I didn't vote for him for leader either but give him a chance." Such a ringing endorsement. Maybe he is already sick of being gaslit too.
I'm sorry, but if the people employed to run
@SolihullMoors
displayed such consistent incompetence in a for-profit sector or industry, Darryl Eales would have sacked them long ago. I am stunned at just how bad this club is at basic PR and instinct for doing the right thing.
@Harfagri
It is when they're shouting racist things and attacking a mosque because racist disinfo accounts falsely claimed that the murderer was a Muslim refugee. Her ilk is a clearly terrified local resident wanting the bandwagon-jumpers to go away and stop misappropriating their grief.
@evocone
@derJamesJackson
I was waiting for this.
The racist abuse was condemned almost universally in England and there was an outpouring of support for those players in the face of that abuse.
Large proportions/majority of that abuse was demonstrably from accounts of England 'fans' outside the UK.
@Rrrrnessa
I agree with you that there is a lot that could be improved about History teaching and the curriculum in England and Wales, much of which was vandalised by Michael Gove. However it's just not true to say that kids in the UK are not taught about the Nazis other than as WWII losers
@matthewsyed
By far the biggest and fastest growing area of the welfare bill is pensioners. This has been and will continue to be the case for some time.
Are you suggesting that people in receipt of state pensions "feel entitled to what other people have produced"? Totally bonkers.
@edwest
the hands of nationalism and the rise of the contemporary nation-state. The first is in defence of those people who essentially have the human impulse to back the underdog without necessary holding a great deal of expertise beyond that which they are immediately observing. 2/x