Better known as "Thrawn McEwok". Sithposting on sci-fi, occasional remarks on other things. Once co-wrote a Star Wars book, but that doesn't count for anything!
The classic grey-green Imperial uniform is there, of course - based on the Prussian uhlan kurtka worn by the Red Baron in WW1, and made from genuine German stahlgrau. But note, it's only worn by a few senior officers, and all except Tarkin have boxes on their belt.
There's also the black variant, worn by the three officers who report to Vader, though they may be more directly to do with Stormtroopers and TIEs, plus officers in the hangar gantry and one in the detention block...
Unusually, the detention block officer lacks belt boxes.
There's also an odd variant worn by actor Syd Wragg, a pale tunic with a black cap and breeches, seen in close-shot with a red/yellow badge, but in set photos with all-red. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a modification of an actual uhlan kurtka, either vintage or from a WW1 movie.
The officer we now call Yularen wears a white tunic, as does his subordinate in the corridor. Like Syd Wragg, they have black caps and breeches. But look - it's a looser, simpler type of jacket, probably vintage militaria loaned by the costume designer! Not like later canon...
The light colour and red badge make me wonder if this is the same costume used by one of the "Generals and Senators" who
@jasonfry
later named as Trech Molock. But I think Hurst Romodi with the yellow badge just wears the standard version sans pocket cylinders, like Officer Cass.
And this, as they say, is where the fun begins. Because the other background Imperials don't wear what we expect, either. There are a lot of simpler grey-green uniforms with a narrow lapel that fastens to the left, and straight trousers, worn either with the cap or with a helmet.
But the looser-fitted uniforms remain a distinctive element of the first film's visual characterization, and the bigger point remains - the Empire uses a limited vocabulary of simple uniform elements, and has a mix-and-match military grammar that combines them in different roles.
And yes, two of those are the same actor in different hats. There are other troopers who wear the helmet with a black uniform, but although it's hard to see on-screen, it's not the same as the officers. Loose tunic, unstructured trousers, short boots. Except when it's a jumpsuit.
Gunners just have a different helmet and padded armour, though some also get a distinctive leather jacket with Vader-style details on the front. And TIE Pilots also use the same black jumpsuits, long gloves and short boots, adding their flight helmet and torso armour.
There are several different variants of this. Belt boxes and a holster on the right. No belt-boxes, holster on the left. One guy giving orders seems to wear the loose uniform with a cap (short boots!). Imperials on the Devastator wear caps with the jumpsuit. But always gauntlets.
Last but not least, there are the scanner techs, who have black caps - worn in 1977 by every Imperial who doesn't wear a grey-green uniform, thus by more or less everyone - but grey jumpsuits. Do these line up with the pale tunic that's also worn with a black cap and breeches?
So, where does that leave us? The thing I'd emphasise is that the uniforms are both simpler and more complex than we expect. The classic tunic is confined to senior officers, with several less tailored alternatives, plus widespread use of jumpsuits.
In Empire and Jedi, the alternative tunics disappear - the black-helmet types acquire the standard black uniform; but the black jumpsuits remain with both helmet and cap, and the scanner techs' grey one is paired with the standard grey-green cap and the combat helmet.
@muaddibstyle
Yes. The problem is that they can't see other people with similar abilities, or groups guided by them. The opening scene of the third novel has a Guild Navigator explaining to Irulan how he could see the effects of Paul's victory in advance but not the people actually causing it.
@eleventhirtyate
underrated clever thing in RotJ: Luke being a dork used as a way to infodump stuff to people in the audience who might be confused about that part...
@i_am_cromulent
Also helped that they had an existing wardrobe of costumes. The rank insignia were revised for ESB, and RotJ matches that better than is often thought, the big puzzle being Piett's return to a captain's insignia (left on his costume from whatever was filmed last in ESB?)...
@skywalkerthrawn
No, she died "For Dathomir". To get all those stasis-podded Sisters home.
I thought Lars Mikkelsen did a tremendous job of showing Thrawn cut up over it, both because he cared, and because he realised it wasn't really about him for her at all. And he understands exactly why too.
Much as I love Dreadnaughts and 8km SSDs, perfection is the Doug Chiang design for the Interdictor (and by extension its Vindicator and Enforcer hull variants)...
I'm really curious, what's everyone's favorite Star Wars ship originating from Legends?
Personally, I think it's hard to beat the classic Dreadnaught-class
@YourAvgBellman
That may be what they were going for, but the movie allows a contradictory interpretation - Vader in his armour is not just powerful but iconic, and Ren wants to duplicate that power - because although he has no physical need, he feels similarly broken and vulnerable, incomplete.
@Fan26_America
I'd say that the Sentinel, being bigger, looks more important, with more room for "office space" on the upper deck. Very Tarkin.
Way back in the pre-reboot novel Planet of Twilight, his ex-partner Admiral Daala used one as a mobile command post, complete with a small drinks bar.
@KevinKindelber2
Where I disagree is that I don't think it was "random"! John Mollo, the costume designer (Oscars for ANH and Gandhi, also did stuff like Alien, Outland, and Hornblower, a military/uniform historian by background wrote a brilliant book on Wellington's cavalry) was very, very good.
@doctoriverposts
That's not a drunk Matt Smith, that's a drunk Eleven flipping back into existence in the timeframe of Twelve and channeling all the psychic angst of the associated feedback loop...
So, the Mofference? A thread!
Pelly!! And Hux's dad!! Instantly-recognizable, pitch-perfect, and huge fun. Kudos to everyone involved in this...
And is that a 7th Fleet badge Pellaeon's wearing?
@ek_johnston
I used to review sci-fi novels for a website, and I absolutely hear this - I always tried to make clear that less-than-enthusiastic responses were subjectively individual, and to distinguish between instinctive reactions and ones that were more reflective. More importantly? (1/2)
Apparently some of my fellow-countrymen can't grasp that there's nothing wrong with Vanessa Hudgens taking a selfie in front of the Forth Rail Bridge...
She's here to make a movie, which is nice for the economy. She's _been_ here since before the lockdown began, and hasn't quit.
@EckhartsLadder
Um, yeah... I assume you know that _exactly this happened_ with the "Executor" in one of the old OT-era comic strips, and that used to be something of a go-to for why hyperspace ramming doesn't work...?
I think I've been suppressing the memory of this image since 2017...
@ek_johnston
Even with good intentions, editing out phrases that can be misread as criticism takes effort. So don't take negativity too seriously - it might not be intended! Bottom line: writing a publishable novel is a whole lot harder than reviewing one, and deserves a ton of respect. (2/2)
@Merman_Melville
Well, yes, but this is a place where General Obi-Wan Kenobi disarming one of the most wanted criminals in the Galaxy provokes only "Is that a Jedi... okay, that's a Jedi... back to our drinks", and Han and Greedo having at actual shootout in the corner barely raises an eyebrow...
So, the E-wing. Personally, I think it's great. But some fans feel it's too like an X-wing, and/or hate the hull-top cannon.
A thread.
I'm going to start with Doug Chiang's sketch from the old EGtVV, which I think does a great job of making this look NOT like an X-wing... (1/9)
@jessnevins
Downright fascinating. I immediately thought of the Baker Street Irregulars / Sherlockian Game (with Dorothy L Sayers playing a leading role), and the fact that "Rebecca" is actually a distant (fanfic) sequel to "The Three Musketeers" (same De Winter family)... (1/2)
@IowaAvsFan
@EckhartsLadder
Thrawn has been having a lot of bad hair days, but he's still carrying off being Thrawn - I thought that was tremendously impressive storytelling and performance...
@ReverendDrDash
Almost everything in the stack is about the attempt to find poetry in the male experience of the American industrial dystopia, with a strong emphasis on the tribalism of the migrant experience.
(2/9) Rey is her own character.
Defining her as an adopted Skywalker or a biological Palpatine or the proxy of every voice she hears inside her head simply diminishes her. That just makes her part of someone else's narrative.
The only narrative she should be in is her own.
@XWnHIST
@base_lucidity
@eleventhirtyate
Honestly? Luthen's spent fifteen years carefully laying the groundwork to take on the Man, and all he's doing is Beckett-style heists and assassinating his own people; he sees Marva and Brasso do it better with a brick, a droid arm, a colliery brass band and five minutes's setup.
@SciFiFa26502583
@NiecyOKeeffe
I think it's a cricket metaphor. Your First XI is your good cricket team. Your Second XI is your student Beer Team, playing for fun.
Anyone who's in the 4th XI... they shouldn't even try. They really shouldn't.
(7/9) No.
She's.
Just.
Rey.
She doesn't need any of that stuff.
But at the same time, she's *also* entirely entitled to do sexy things with Ben Solo.
Probably helps she's the one person who thinks she's absolutely cool and perfect as she is.
True love, kids - it's a thing.
(2/9) I don't think the basic resemblance to an X-wing is a bad thing, though. The E-wing is meant to be a self-conscious successor to the X-wing from the same designers. That's why it's similar. The look tells you exactly what it is.
And that also explains the hull-top cannon.
@TheLadyNivlac
@i_am_cromulent
On my one official "gig" for Star Wars, I got to do an Imperial rank table that works with ESB, RotJ, and pretty much every novel/comic/sourcebook reference I could find. The only thing it doesn't explain is why some officers behind Jerjerrod switch badges between shots...
(10/9) ****, my ad libs are long. Kudos to Cam Kennedy for designing the E-wing. Gratutious tagging to
@ScoutTheTrooper
,
@XWnHIST
,
@SethLunchquest
, and
@The2ndQuest
, all of whom were bouncing around ideas in Scout's (awesome) earlier thread - this is meant as a simplified reply!
(4/0) So while the E-wing's tech is meant to be more sophisticated and maintenance-intensive, this actually makes the basic hull a lot simpler and lighter.
And no, the gun doesn't complicate cockpit ejection either - the barrel's shown as being attached directly to the canopy...
@lightsabrqueen
Plenty of good things to say - some of the best VFX of any movie ever, a genuine Star Wars vibe to the visuals, excellent lightsaber sequences, top-notch casting of Portman, Neeson and McGregor, and it hooked a whole new generation of audience... are these opinions controversial?
@jkozal
@Cheeto377
What makes it harder is that Leto's vision is derailed by headcanon, a spice trip - Herbert could just never quite bring himself to drop the "gotcha!" he'd been setting up since the first book...
@WookOfficial
In terms of projects that could be completed straightforwardly, then Sword of the Jedi, followed closely by Star Wars: Detours.
In terms of big unproduced screen projects, the theorised Jaina-centric version of the Sequels, or if that's a nothingburger, Star Wars: Underworld...?
@Knightly_H
My favourite example of the unexpectedly effective use of the sword is at Waterloo, where some French cuirassiers dismounted and waded into the Allied strongpoint at La Haye. Very quickly showed that swords and breastplates win a bayonet fight, at least when you're houseclearing.
@SethLunchquest
Does she *call herself* Rey Skywalker, or is this name being awkwardly foisted on her as a clumsy attempt to construct a layer of meaning she doesn't actually need, based on focus-grouping the popcorn audience?
This is a big, complicated question, but I think worth asking? (1/3)
(9/9) And I'll conclude by noting that in pre-reboot canon, the E-wing ends up complementing the X-wing not replacing it - while faster, more sophisticated, theoretically tougher, it's more complicated, harder to maintain, less rugged, and the guns probably lack the same punch...
(3/9) Look at the X-wing. In attack position, the guns are positioned high and low, which means that the converging shots form a "box" that increases the chance of a hit - a classic WW2 fighter design principle. The E-wing's hull-top gun gets the same effect without strike foils.
(6/9) Now quite a lot of depictions have an offset in the guns' lengthwise position and a discrepancy in barrel length, so maybe *that* is what some people are twitching at? But that's easily fixed, and pulls the entire design together really tightly...
This fan-art gets it too!
(4/9) The only thing Rey needs to be is herself.
Remember that girl we saw abseiling into the ruin of a Star Destroyer at the start of The Force Awakens?
She already had everything she needed. She had her own music.
All she needed to do was *realise*.
(5/9) One point I would make is this. The three guns ought to be aligned at the same point lengthwise on the fuselage, so that their energy shots converge properly. So the back of the cockpit and the front edge of the wings should form a straight line across the ship - like this.
George Lucas' ideas evolved, and he has a very deadpan sense of humour, but it's never exactly been hard to find out about the page-canon plot-points he approved, the setup he specifically asked to be included, and the ideas he rejected as contradicting his vision for the GFFA...
@jessnevins
(2/2) You can also spin this sideways to "If It Had Happened Otherwise", which is basically AU fanfic of world history by some world-class literary / historical figures (at least one of whom was in the Irregulars as well)...
@SCentralized
(2/3) I'm the sort of fanboy who thinks they'd do peace and justice better by using smaller carriers, fast gunships and, above all, a network of local X-wing bases - by being the Rebellion, in other words. And that then raises the question - why _aren't_ they being the Rebellion?
This guy is probably the best match for descriptions of Moff Randd, who really ought to be involved. I'm not sure why he's wearing a Mon Calamari sweater like an Imperial version of a Royal Navy submarine commander in 1940, but he likes to hide his ships, so I'm good with it...
(7/9) Anything else? Firstly, the original Dark Empire depictions show the torpedo launchers right forward in the nose. That means the main sensor array has to be further back, working through a panel (or panels) in the sloping forward hull.
I think that's a *very* funky detail.
Speaking of retcons, this blackshirt commander who likes to raid New Republic hyperlanes looks and acts exactly like Ait Convarion, even though he was last seen getting his Star Destroyer crushed in the rubble of Alderaan by Rogue Squadron during the Bacta War. Escape pod, maybe?
@TheLadyNivlac
@i_am_cromulent
Seriously, they're not. Captains have one code cylinder next to the rank badge. Jerjerrod has a second code cylinder over at the right shoulder. This has been explained since the late '80s as a commodore-like rank suitable for a junior Moff - and it may even be production intent!
@SCentralized
(3/3) The answer, I think, is that they've inherited one of the worst errors of the Empire. They believe in the architecture of power inherited from the Old Republic, failing to see that it's a form of mutual flattery among people at the top that doesn't solve problems very well.
Alternatively, either of them could be Colonel Nuress, the aged Clone Wars veteran who commands the élite TIE Fighter unit Shadow Wing - although her being here would admittedly retcon an important element of her off-screen story, I'm surprisingly okay with that...
@admiraljello
@pabl0hidalgo
But the military "stormtrooper" was never particularly Nazi. Sturmtruppen for "shock troops" dates back to the 1700s and was Englished in '14-'18 - whereas the Nazi usage applied specifically to the paramilitary Party militia whose power was broken in 1934.
I know too much... :p
Not sure about the background of this design, but that's absolutely brilliant - I might tweak the impulse deck just slightly, but overall IMHO, a much more successful reimagining of the Connie than any of the official versions...
#Andor
is good - it feels like Star Wars, and it feels like a part of the Galaxy we've not seen before; but is it good enough to be the new Baby Yoda? I'm not quite sure...
This show takes a risk - it starts small, without the bombast of having an ISD in the opening scene. (1/5)
Jokes aside, it probably doesn't matter who they are - the important thing is that they all look absolutely right - it's a great scene, that turbocharges the best
#Mando
episode this season. All I ask is not to spoil it by having them misidentified by clumsy continuity decisions?
@EvanSchultheis
thinks the female commander with the two-tone hair is Director of Intelligence Ysanne Isard, which makes sense. The other one might be the obscure Moff Tethys, named for a female figure in Greek myth. Neither is a redhead, which ought to rule out Admiral Daala...
@pottermcu
I agree absolutely, but I think this is even better than that. Vader takes Ahsoka as his left hand blade, a weapon. But Skywalker the man is protecting her. Which is both mindblowingly balanced in the Force, _and_ reflects forward to his OT storyline with Luke and his redemption.
The Willow sequel series is probably the most Lucasfilm thing that Lucasfilm has done in the Disney era; it's mid-afternoon fantasy played with the structure of a matiné serial, the architecture of an Old Hollywood western, and the quest elements of an Indiana Jones film... (1/6)
@ScoutTheTrooper
I think what this episode was doing was capturing how listless and self-questioning Boba feels inside. Quite a bold and interesting approach, and meta in a way that's effectively disconcerting. Only an understated, ambivalent answer...
Also, was that... thing... a Vagh Rodiek?!
@EckhartsLadder
This may be fanworks, but Thrawn being ineffably Thrawn and then having a fistfight with Vader in the Hoth hangar bay is quintessential Star Wars LEGO...
@SethLunchquest
(2/3) The basic idea that she needs to cease being Rey from Jakku seems to me to be flawed. The movies are full of people thinking "Jakku is bad" when they mean "the system that exploits and takes the good things away", and all the while they act as an *extension* of that system.
@EthanCaron13
@CobaltGreen1138
Actually in ANH, but not for background officers, and definitely not in vintage militaria that doesn't have the pockets for them (almost certainly loaned by the costume designer from his own collection)...
@SCentralized
Honestly, I don't think the mistake was that the NR downscaled, it was that they did it ineptly. The Starhawk is an ugly tool to out-Empire the Empire, not disguised by its Rebel badge, and the new ships in the Ahsoka trailer look like pompous, unnecessary hyperlane queens. (1/3)
@SvensationalGuy
They looked, and sounded, great, but they needed some more things for them to shoot to make them feel more dangerous and interesting...
(8/9) One thing I do think doesn't work (is that a phrase?) is the really small rear section on the topside gun on a lot of depictions. The longer module on the Chiang sketch looks much more convincing. Whether the wings shift position is something I have no real view on though.
And this General looks a bit familiar - what do you say,
@VeersWatch
? Obviously, not as good as Julian Glover returning somewhere later along the timeline, but would you be okay with recasting his younger self...?
(6/9) The Sequel trilogy consists of a whole lot of people thinking *they* have to provide Rey with narrative and purpose. From Palpatine to Lawrence Kasdan.
Even the guy who's trying to *tell* her that she doesn't need any of this stuff fails, because he's *telling* her.
And last but not least, this guy's ceremonial robe of office reminds me of a description of Moff Disra; but Disra seems more Tarkin-shaped than this, so maybe it's Grand Moff Kaine, whose sector and palace Disra swaps into at a later point on the timeline?
@mimodow93
@jkozal
@Cheeto377
And it's not just Fenrig that's psi-shielded. One sideplot is the Corrinos' sponsorship of the spice-smugglers, who have non-Guild FTL ships and who the combined skills of the BG and Guild can't intercept. Why not? They're using no-ships with computers, psi-shelded by technology.
And yes, there are some obvious Imperial holdouts who're missing here, most notably Admiral Sloane and Warlord Zsinj. I don't know, maybe they're being hunted by both sides, and in hiding somewhere?
(5/5) Order and power are broken narratives. The system doesn't work, and thus relies on the very people it tries to exclude to keep it running. And these are truths too big for the participants to grasp, ideas that can only be told as story. And thus far, it's done very right...
@SWCozyCoffee
Simply by telling her story as Zahn told it before the reboot - Emperor's Hand backstory, iconic in the Thrawn trilogy, marries Luke Skywalker; I don't know why anyone would think this was a difficult decision...?