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Options via algos | IIT | Tech | Product

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@taruntrader21
Tarun
6 months
FY24 (1st Apr 23 to 31st Mar 24) P&L Fully automated trades via algos Strategies: Intraday Selling, Intraday Buying, Overnight STBT/BTST Cap: 1 Cr. Broker: Composite Edge (Doesn't support verified P&L) P&L%: +59% Max DD: -7%
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@taruntrader21
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3 years
A thread on getting intraday (any timeframe) data to excel without any coding. Limited to only last 60 days. Fetches from zerodha chart. 👇
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
If you're stunned by 1cr+ profit and a YT video explaining trades, I recommend this YT free channel. Watch and practice these 8-10 videos over next 3 months and I believe you'll be one of the best discretionary traders.
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4 years
Thread on calendar spread options trading. Getting started with calendars, watch all the videos from this link to understand the basics RT if you find useful. #Trading #Options #Calendar
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
Gains are in lacs and losses are in % of capital 😂 Saavdhan rahein satark rahein.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
After Zerodha last week, its composite edge's turn today. They haven't started the trading server for today because the guy who starts it hasn't reached office yet 🙌 Moral of the story - all brokers are same whichever it is, divide capital and save costs as much as possible.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
+7.1L for the day. Looks like one of the toughest expiries today but my algo managed it really well. If I traded with my discretion today, the + would have been - 😂
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
-4L for the day. Went from +3L to -4L. Had predicted the top at 18200 perfectly but then got a TG notification of buying 18100 CE that got be biased. Learning - turn off all notification while trading. No regrets, a good learning day.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Quite an achievement it looks like 😂- Learnt python, backtested multiple strategies, coded the first algo that went live and made me great money. All in <1 month with a no coding background.
@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Any suggestions for an online python course? Beginner course, video lectures, a few assignments, short & sweet with highest learning/time ratio.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Gamma pehelwan revealed! Its @jitendrajain
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
@PatilBankNifty @jitendrajain For once I thought that's jitendrajain 😜 #facematch
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
One of my strategies hit SL 18% DD today vs 9% over 4 yrs of historical backtesting. Saved due to lower allocation. Don't rely too much on backtests is the new learning, data will create new patterns over time.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
Weekend is here, saavdhan rahein satark rahein 😉
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Tested Covid +ve today. With no symptoms (except mild fever), I will be in home isolation. Please let me know any useful stuff around treatment, food, faster recovery etc. 🙏
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
😂
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
With green today, its the longest winning streak for me running for over a month now. Diversify strategies and make a basket I was told and it worked 🙏
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Trading idea - On a Monday, if Nifty is down by -0.85% from price at 9:20 AM, short ATM PE with 15-20% SL and close by eod for ~79% win rate. Think about it and backtest before you trade.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Done for the day with saving brokerage and costs! 😬
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@taruntrader21
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3 years
1. Automate all trades 100% with no discretion. 2. Diversify systems to avoid large pnl swings. 3. Have a job for a consistent income stream. Over a period of time, you won't have any mental stress or need time for market unless you're doing something new. #Brotip
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Brotip on conviction - Let your backtests give you the confidence to execute without fear. Sold 50 lots of naked puts on two 30L accounts today. Entries and exits below.
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Hitting the new personal best today with +7.5L. Sold puts aggressively since morning, huge MTM swings on the selloff. Logic - Look at trendline breakout in 15 min Nifty chart and first 3 15-min candles.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
#BroTip Nobody will tell you their edge over a YT video, Twitter Spaces or a thread. Skip all this and go back to your own thinking/analysis for next steps. Utilize the weekend wisely!
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
How many of you faced this - on trading rules, the SL is 2% (lets say) of total cap loss on any day but sometimes it gets beyond 2% loss and we still hold hoping it will come to profit? Will post a small hack around this that I do this now.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
PDF link. Let me know your thoughts, suggestions and criticism!
@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
Thank you @asthanashishir for putting this beautifully! 🙏 @moneycontrolcom
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
Spent ~10 hours testing/analyzing 4 different strategies, nothing worked well! It all looks logical at start but at the end you realize wtf 😂
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
Assume you are in a train, no pantry. Its 9pm, train stops at a station. You're very hungry, step down and the only vendor available says Rs 1k/dinner-plate which should be Rs 100. You agree to pay 1k, eat it, mutual benefit. Now you complain this to Railway Minister. #FreakTrade
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
+6.1L for the day. Good expiry after a few weeks this time, shorted calls all the way. Got lucky at the end and realized that the system needs lot of work.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
My answer - spend 3 months mastering python - next 3 months collecting data, backtesting strategies. Find 4-5 strategies that are non correlated - next 3 months live testing and improving execution 9 months -> full time trader without losing your job. Realistic.
@AshishGupta325
Ashish Gupta
4 years
Half the DMs received are around asking about my capital or capital required to take up full time trading. Will try to answer it in this short thread. If your annual salary is say X and expense is say .6X. Then you need at least 3X as your trading cap with no liability and +
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Algo updates for today. Deployed 20L to test out this new strategy. Chill life now, no logins 😂
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Tarun
4 years
#Brotip - If you're using upstox, keep dartstox, nest, web and mobile app handy for issues like the one today. Dartstox was working today.
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Tarun
4 years
Brotip - Before joining any webinar, check for these (not P&L/ITR) - Backtest report if its a mechanical strategy - Trade logs for executed strategy (>6m atleast) if its a discretionary strategy - Speak to atleast 3 people who attended the webinar to get a review
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
Insecurity 101 😂
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Thread - What's T+0 line? In short, the breakeven at expiry for 2 strategies might be same but 1 can bleed far more with the movement in underlying. Flatter T+0 line is better. It indicates lower MTM losses on large movements and gives time to adjust. #Options #Trading
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Thanks @upstox for wonderful memories. Hope we never meet again! Didn't expect something like this and wouldn't risk my money by opting for your premium plan.
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
What should be the right qty per order to minimize costs. A thread with an example below. All data backed. Problem statement - Short 100 lots (7500 qty) of Nifty Options. Should I push 100 lots or 10 lots or 1 lot per order? #Options #Trading #Execution #Optimization 1/n
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Got DMs on how to start building algos for your working strategy. A few important points - 1. Algos can only automate trades if you have a working strategy and you want a machine to operate on your behalf. Don't expect profits just by building an algo. 1/n
@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Quite an achievement it looks like 😂- Learnt python, backtested multiple strategies, coded the first algo that went live and made me great money. All in <1 month with a no coding background.
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Brotip - Option selling adjustments: first buy hedge and then think what next! My delta neutral strangle never went >0.3% loss today. Bought PE hedge first then rolled CEs down (not aggressive else reversal will kill you!)
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Backtest P&L for today +4.3% Acutal P&L 0% Code errors😬
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
-5.6L for the day. Got stopped out both sides today.
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4 years
Popular myth - Algo eliminates emotions. When money is at stake, emotions will play out. My hack - Algo resets password every morning so that I can't open the terminal and intervene 🤪
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
First 15 days, net 13% up. Added trailing SL logic to my algo just before the month and the first half turned out all choppy. One of the accounts below (cap 25L)
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Kitna slippage aata hoga isme? 😆
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@taruntrader21
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3 years
For people looking to start their algo journey, this is a good staring point. Paid course for 400-500 rs but adds good value for money.
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4 years
One of my strategies is now in DD more than that seen in the entire backtest period of Nifty weekly options. Realize the importance of running a set of uncorrelated strategies.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Why share MTMs? 1. Invites serious learners to see through the trades without spoon feeding 2. Gives motivation to people that money can be made 3. Shows credibility of the person, "skin in the game" In the hindsight, all logics work. I was so inspired by MTMs of @Mitesh_Engr
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Realized today is a trading holiday by looking at an unexpected increase in trading gyaan tweets😂
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Batman strategy coined by Tarun Nayak. Nomenclature inspired by @itjegan sir. Best strategy if you don't know what to trade in this market.
@taruntrader21
Tarun
5 years
When you remember the Batman amidst Corona spread! 😂
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Volatile expiry, explosive move. Same prediction on most expiries and nobody knows if the success rate is <10%.
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4 years
Thread on one way of Price Action Intraday (5 min) trading. Concept - A concave curve + reducing size of candles / increasing size of wicks indicates loss of momentum. A reversal might come from here / fresh shorts only below the lows. 1/n
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Looking at my twitter feed today, traders are punching tweets instead of orders. Kuch to punch karna hi hai aaj! 😂
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
I see a negative correlation to my trading profits and paid stuff (platforms, webinars, courses etc.). Now I pay absolutely zero money to anybody for anything related to trading except the broker.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
I avoid all handles that just troll, compare, promote their paid content etc. and follow handles that deliver real good content/trades so that I learn. For entertainment, I have other avenues. @bhatiamanu 's trades are all transparent and free to learn.
@PRSundar64
P R Sundar
4 years
Pre Market and Post Market analysis are waste, only this kind of analysis is good. 😂😂😂
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3 years
For people who want to backtest Fut/option strategies based on technical indicators without coding.
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4 years
Brotip - When you're new to algo trading and keep checking MTM every few mins, try to reduce either your MTM swings or position size. Make it boring!
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
This is why I don't consider trading as a full time career. You never know what shit they will come up with next. You may master trading over few years and it can all be banned in a day, leaving you nowhere.
@Nithin0dha
Nithin Kamath
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Yesterday's FAQ on margin collection by exchanges now means that once you sell a stock, you can't use the proceeds until T+2 day to buy anything else. 😬 This is going to push back the industry by a couple of decades, hoping they reconsider. Details here:
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Came across a chart on Twitter. I literally had to search where the price candle is on the chart 😂
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
Most people I've spoken to have this myth that commodities are illiquid. Reality is 3-4 scrips within commodities have better liquidity than BN futures. See the Natural gas liquidity below. 1qty = 2.1L margin.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Bad day today! Shorted Nifty calls at open, went from +4% to -4%.
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Tarun
3 years
Pump and dump on an index that too intraday 🙌
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
#Brotip - To free up margin blocked from your SL orders in zerodha, place GTT orders instead of regular orders. Downside - GTT orders are not placed with exchange, hence if zerodha goes down it will not place your SL on time.
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
Done for the day. Got multiple confirmations at open that today is both side swing day. 😬
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@taruntrader21
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4 years
@itjegan Sir would you allow me for webinar if I have the donation receipt? I have already donated for Covid-19 once.
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Tarun
4 years
1.35L+ for the day. Not a full timer hurts, looks like a good day to trade intraday today.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
If you have 'x' years experience in stock market and still have to write 'x' years experience anywhere then something has definitely gone wrong here.
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Tarun
3 years
In trading, you may still find a holy grail strategy but still have to look for a new broker forever in India.
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Tarun
4 years
An example from today's expiry using these principles. Thread 👇 #trading #options #charts
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Tarun
4 years
If you're stunned by 1cr+ profit and a YT video explaining trades, I recommend this YT free channel. Watch and practice these 8-10 videos over next 3 months and I believe you'll be one of the best discretionary traders.
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Brotip - Save yourself time. Ignore anybody giving view of any stock/index without giving key metrics such as win-rate and risk-reward. What if you're right only 10% times with RR of 1:1? I don't know till you get me those numbers. And I totally ignore #MaineBolaTha RTs
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3 years
#Brotip SEBI can hit you with a ban on APIs any time, best time to learn and prepare yourself on web scrapping to automate your algos on web without APIs. Lots of material on YT, one example -
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Tarun
4 years
Any suggestions for an online python course? Beginner course, video lectures, a few assignments, short & sweet with highest learning/time ratio.
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Tarun
4 years
Regular MTM posting on time line /posts of popular traders or tagging them frequently on posts is the first sign of a desparate attempt to get followers to sell something (excl exceptions). Be careful.
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Tarun
4 years
#Brotip - Do not enter 1 or 2 lots at a time to avoid slippages. See the below screenshot of how bid/ask change with depth. An example below.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
Finally somebody giving calls on TV which people can rely on. Good going! 🙏
@sourabhsiso19
Sourabh Sisodiya,CFA
4 years
First time on a show on @CNBC_Awaaz and won it :) Couldn’t have asked for more😬 Markets and God have been kind :) Special thanks to CNBC team @subhashmaurya @AEHarshada @pandyapradeep @shail_bhatnagar @hemant_ghai #markets #trading #stocks #khiladino1
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4 years
Brotip - Adjustments in expiry intraday trading. One of the best resources - by @itjegan Learn the adjustment styles and adapt to liking of your premium (may Rs. 2 or 200). Concept is key and this is enough to trade expiry.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
After 25 days of DD (max DD 22% vs. backtest max DD of 16%), back to equity ATH today with +9% for the day. This was my first time going through this deep DD, so was a bit painful but sticking to the same system did pay off.
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Tarun
4 years
One of my strategies is now in DD more than that seen in the entire backtest period of Nifty weekly options. Realize the importance of running a set of uncorrelated strategies.
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4 years
Turn off moment at the Algo Convention amidst some good sessions. Somebody asks a genuine question and that's the answer he gets. And he has paid to ask this question, just wow! @AlgoConvention
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4 years
What a start to the month after so many Upstox API issues in Aug (ended -0.4% net). Sep is running at +7.6% net on the full capital till today. Lets see what Sep has in store.
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Tarun
4 years
My trading on BN today (thread) 1. Hourly chart - get the breakout levels, no cluttering, draw trend lines that you see in under 1 sec.
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Tarun
3 years
My cook - "Taking a leave for 4 days next week, going to a family wedding outside Bangalore" Me - "Is it more important than even your life and probably others you may infect? Do you still want to go?" Cook - "Yes" Nobody is to blame for Covid but people themselves.
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Tarun
3 years
Learnt 👇 from a wall street quant trader. Think physics. Acceleration, velocity and distance. For a forward moving object to reverse, first the acceleration will come down then velocity and then the (change in) distance. Partial exits using this logic.
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Tarun
4 years
11500 PE today. Jumped directly from 75.55 to 81 in 1 second. Wow!
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4 years
2.9L+ for the day. A good expiry with limited interventions. TCS result trades are on.
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4 years
That feeling when you've reached a stage that anybody tells you PDH / PDL / VWAP support/resistance, you say - show me the backtest report 😂 One of the best expiries today 🙏
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Tarun
4 years
Learnt from past and didn't get hit today due to Zerodha's login issue. Remember that - all brokers are equally bad - find 3-5 brokers and split capital equally Mine are - Zerodha, Upstox, 5Paisa for Algos and Angel for backup.
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Tarun
4 years
Lesson of the day - Equal money split across all brokers accounts, each of them is equally bad 😂 Dissolving the concept of main account from next week.
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4 years
Would you call this an arbitrage opportunity? Spot, Fut > 11450 still 11450 weekly PE > 11450 weekly CE. Strategy - Sell put, buy call, sell future for a risk free profit. Assuming slippages and costs = 0 for now (large HFT funds)
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@taruntrader21
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3 years
For an option buying system, I was looking for an edge for a long time and it came out to be on the position sizing. Full credits to @tony_gazillioni for convincing me on this 🙏
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
4 years
BankNifty hourly - Very important support trendline, close beyond these lines + confirmation + entry based on 15-min charts -> trading plan for this week.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
3 years
I always believed coders + non traditional thinkers will outgrow orthodox traders in long run. Happy to help people in that journey while I learn. 🙏
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4 years
Realized how powerful quality trading is. Did an experiment on a 16L account and traded only for 5 days in Jul, whenever the system generated signal. RoI - 32% for the month.
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@taruntrader21
Tarun
5 years
How to track real time straddle price, OI, change in OI and all other stock information real time in excel for free? Nest/Odin has Link to excel, paste on excel then it updates real time. Thanks to @Pathik_Trader
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Tarun
4 years
Keeping it simple. Bias was bullish, hourly candle breakout -> put writing. 70k+ for the day. Closed day early at 1:30 pm due to some other work.
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@taruntrader21
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From traveling in a train general compartment 15 years back to booking a business class flight for a Euro trip, life has come a long way. Moral of the story - don't fall in the trading trap and focus on your job 😋
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Tarun
4 years
Nov series ends today. What's special - it creates a different level of intraday reversals vs. past few years. Brotip - Don't do positional un-hedged option selling looking at the backtests. A 5k point gap can still happen and wipe you out.
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Tarun
4 years
Nifty intraday traders in Nov series
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Tarun
4 years
Now that people are talking about leverage, this is how I decide my leverage. 1. Max loss/day set at 5% (this gives enough room for my systems to work best) 2. I sort the backtest P&L for last 4 years (all losses first). Leveraged system should sustain on compounding.
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Tarun
3 years
Spent multiple hours to code my systems for @kotaksecurities only to realize that they don't take the order tags to orderbook. So you can pass whatever but they don't care to store and won't tell you this in any documentation. Idk how are they even going to survive.
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@taruntrader21
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3 years
@Nithin0dha Can you please share these numbers if possible 1. % of profitable traders using algos vs not using algos 2. Avg profit % in the last few years for traders using algos vs not using algos. This should help clarify the claim imo 🙏
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Tarun
3 years
Thank you @asthanashishir for putting this beautifully! 🙏 @moneycontrolcom
@moneycontrolcom
Moneycontrol
3 years
#GuruSpeak ⚡️Tarun Nayak explains how to trade successfully without quitting your job: #trading #TarunNayak | @tarunnayak
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2 years
What % of people not beating FD returns didn't get there just because of brokerage? @Nithin0dha
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Tarun
3 years
Fantastic month so far, running at +11% 😍
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Tarun
3 years
#brotip for 9:20 straddlers (1st one is obvious, 2nd will make pnl much better but will need some thinking) 1. Diversify 9:20 straddle with other timed entries. If you're doing 30% sl each leg at 9:20 then do the same at 10:20/11:20/12:20/1:20. Pick any time but stick to it.
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