On fandom radfems (''anti-shippers''), anti-fujoshi, exclus and other indoctrinated jerks spouting conservative rhetoric. Reactionary mentality in fandom spaces
The moral panic on display here is insane. Made in Abyss is one of the best anime series one can watch and 700k+ people on MAL have rated it above 8 out of 10. You all need to go outside ASAP.
Do not trust personal feelings of discomfort when it comes to whether some sexual fantasies are "normal"/"healthy" or not.
Believe the research.
Believe the experts (psychologists, therapists, sexologists, etc).
"I find this gross" is not proof that something is bad/unhealthy.
"sexual violence in fiction is bad but nonsexual violence is cool and ok, see it's not the same because everyone knows violence is bad! it's ok to enjoy nonsexual violence because nobody excuses murder!" says the american teen while a literal genocide is being funded by america
Someone tried to claim with their whole chest that this scene is sexualized. The scene starting with the kid saying her abuser was a horrible person, with no "sexy" angle, with sad music playing in the background, with no suggestive (e.g. back and forth movement) animation...
For the record, nobody minds if you just state that you wish there were more fics of your f/f ship.
The problem is that statement being so often accompanied by stuff like "ugh i hate those gross freaky fujos and their gross yaoi they're all lesbophobes bc they don't ship my otp"
PSA: "kink critical" is radfem rhetoric.
You don't have to believe me, some rando on the internet: check the "kink critical" tag on tumblr and see for yourself.
The Shinigami Eyes extension shows in red the usernames of known TERFs. Now check these screenshots.
This is a textbook example of a non-sexualized abuse scene. It doesn't linger. Doesn't focus on her body.
A sexualized scene would have her ass up face down, with the camera focusing on her body/thighs/chest, suggestive movements and sounds, a blush on her face and so on.
Trying so hard to call anything you don't like misogyny that you've circled back to homophobic "men loving men is misogynistic bc they're not loving a woman" rhetoric
Omegaverse is really funny because it's such a clear example of fandom misogyny to me. It's like they'd rather invent a second puberty so men can get pregnant than write a woman into a ship LMFAO
Antis be like "hi this is my 5th account, my previous 4 accounts all got suspended for violating twitter's rules against abuse and harassment, teehee! Anyway, thread on why liking fictional content i dislike normalizes abuse:"
antis will say "this character would HATE you if he knew you ship him with his brother!" and the character they're talking about canonically forced his brother to impregnate his sisters, against the consent of all the siblings involved
// tw suicide mention / topics regarding abuse
in addition, here is an article from japanese artist maromi about the topic. please do read it.
(english translation)
Fancops: proshitters want to be oppressed sooo bad haha
The Human Rights Watch itself: anti-shipper rhetoric is dangerous and it's complete bullshit
Fancops: haha so funny
Adults who "look like kids" for whatever reason have all the right to have sex without their partners being shamed and accused of horrible stuff over it.
"If someone wants to love or have sex with you there must be something deeply wrong with them" is a horribly ableist message.
Love that PROSHIP is in all caps as if it were the worst thing on the list but stuff like "genocide" or "attempted murder" are in lowercase like an afterthought
As someone who had a horrible childhood, shows that depict childhood trauma are some of my favorites. Not because I enjoy seeing fictional kids in pain, but because they make me feel understood. When all shows do is give fictional kids happy childhoods, it just feels alienating.
"BDSM involving minors younger than 12" is not BDSM, it's torture.
BDSM is safe, sane and consensual. CSAM can be none of those things. Tying up a child to sexually harm them is torture. Prolonged sadistic violence onto a child is torture, both physical and psychological.
Black proshipper here. I haven't seen more racists among proshippers than among antis; a lot of antis have a very surface level understanding of racism. They happily say racist stuff that they think they can get away with. That's the point.
One month later, here's AO3's official response on the zionist volunteers situation.
I don't think there's any problem in continuing to use AO3 (as they don't make any money from people using it) but, personally, I will no longer be supporting AO3 via donations.
Similarly to how we remind people to say CSAM or CSEM instead of "cp", we need to also keep in mind that the term "revenge porn" has the same issue.
Image-based sexual abuse (IBSA) is the better term for it, so let's get used to calling it that instead.
Great article!
remember when a white anti tweeted something like "me when i have to go to japan to teach japanese people how to not be pedo freaks" and it got tens of thousands of likes, as if that wasn't a disgustingly racist tweet
The amount of people loudly complaining about the lack of F/F fanfiction VS the number of views, likes and comments on existing F/F fanfiction are not even close.
Do you actually read F/F fanfiction or do you just want to complain?
Us CSA survivors go through horrifying abuse as kids by people like Kyle Carrozza, then grow up just to be abused all over again by people like Kyle Carrozza... because of our fucking coping mechanisms.
And people are just okay with it.
Fuck anyone who has ever sided with him.
ARCHIVED VERSION of the MEGATHREAD by
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on Anti-Shippers and Radfem Rhetoric
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dont mind me, im just doing a little thread just cause
Perfect example of how these people always claim they said something completely different as soon as they get backlash
went from "if you have pocd you're a pedophile" to "but i just said pedophilia is wrong!" to "but i just said you shouldn't harm kids!"
"okay sucks that someone in my community off themselves but maybe if they weren’t creating problematic things they could’ve prevented that."
Cop mentality
@skiftsnep
IM LITERALLY A TRANSGENDER MALE, HOMOSEXUAL, DEMISEXUAL, AND POLYAMORUS??? what is you talking about!!! 🗣️🗣️ okay sucks that someone in my community off themselves but maybe if they weren’t creating problematic things they could’ve prevented that. But also who knows! 1/2
“we need to protect a03, it’s a safe space for queer people” mind you this is the same site that won’t do a single thing about the rampant racism, antisemitism, and overall bigotry there under the excuse of “freedom of writing”
It's all "haha why are you so upset at teens they're just babies, they're widdle babies who don't know better haha it's so dumb to point out bigotry and misinformation among teens, just ignore them haha they're teens they're just harmless!" until the teens start murdering people
@NA0Ml_
No, because this absolutely on y'all. This is exactly what anti rhetoric leads to. CSA survivors being abused all over again by sadistic abusers that y'all will praise as "heroes" until they're outed for being actual real life pedophiles.
This is on you.
Us CSA survivors go through horrifying abuse as kids by people like Kyle Carrozza, then grow up just to be abused all over again by people like Kyle Carrozza... because of our fucking coping mechanisms.
And people are just okay with it.
Fuck anyone who has ever sided with him.
the entire field of psychology: taboo fantasies are normal and healthy
fancops: well it must be just ONE weirdo who said that, surely? no i will not actually check, i have decided it must be so. I have also decided that everyone agrees with me. no i will not check if it's true.
@bidem0n
you took one weirdos fucked up take and took it as “so what im doing is justified!”. if you surround yourslef with freaks who enable your behavior that doesnt mean its right!
Notice:
"sex negative"
"women against porn"
"queers against porn"
All radfem shit.
Young teens in fandom are getting indoctrinated into radfem rhetoric through anti-shipper rhetoric.
(I WILL BLOCK U IF U HARASS THEM)
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What Do Your Taboo Sexual Fantasies Say About You?
"Take comfort in knowing that you’re NOT A FREAK, even if you like to get a lil’ freaky in your imagination."
I hadn't noticed until now but on Thursday a certain VA DM'd me letting me know they checked the sources linked in a few of my threads and realized they've been too reactionary by condemning people over fictional content this VA finds uncomfortable.
[ Psychology Today ]
Women's Sexual Fantasies – The Latest Scientific Research
"Women who have rape fantasies also tend to have more positive attitudes toward sex, high self-esteem, and more frequent consensual sexual fantasies."
"It starts fictional then goes into real life" is literally, word for word, radfem anti-porn rhetoric. "Porn is the theory, rape is the practice" is literally one of their slogans.
"Based on the works of Gary Wilson"
when I say that teens in fandom spaces are falling for conservative (& radfem) anti-porn propaganda... this is what i mean
It's so sad to see more and more leftist accounts immediately fall for radfem kink critical rhetoric about how "liking x in fiction means you like it irl / normalizes it irl" when it comes to fictional underage.
For many it's a knee jerk reaction, but it doesn't make it right.
Antis will act like imagining something is just as bad as doing it, but they sure don't want to examine the way they love to go into great detail about their constant extremely violent fantasies towards real people.
This, by the way, is what actual normalization is.
Not Normalization: "Warning: this fictional ship/content contains rape/incest/abuse! That said, enjoy."
Normalization: "This work does NOT contain rape/incest/abuse, because I Like It, and if u think otherwise ur a freak!"
it's like, for things that THEY enjoy, they refuse to recognize problematic, abusive, and other concerning aspects of ships, characters, and shows when problematic aspects ARE present, because they don't want to admit that they could ever enjoy such a thing.
A must watch on "degenerate art"
Fun fact: nazis hated "degenerate art" so much that, instead of trying to hide it away, they would willingly expose more people to it... to dunk on it. 🤔
Who's Afraid of Modern Art: Vandalism, Video Games, and Fascism
And now the person Jay Goldstein doxed is about to die. Jay Goldstein and Holly Meadow Disch caused the death of a disabled person over fiction.
Jay Goldstein and Holly Meadow Disch have a real person's blood on their hands.
I sure hope animation hopeful Jay Goldstein doesn’t get a bunch of tweets associated with his name (Jay Goldstein) about how he (Jay Goldstein) went out of his way to dox someone in the industry they want to work in. That would be pretty bad for Jay Goldstein.
How many of the people complaining about sessrin (canon ship from Inuyasha) and calling it a grooming ship that "only pedos would like" are however perfectly fine with shipping hualian (canon ship from TGCF), because rules for thee but not for me?
Hundreds of thousands of people are currently claiming that a person must be bad for saying they watched and liked one of the most beloved and highly rated anime of all time.
Moral panic and how easily people on this site fall for it is scary as hell.
@akumanotyt
"With this profile" and the profile literally just says that he's a csa survivor, that he's gotten out of a cult (ex anti) and that he's a queer poc. Would love to know which of these characteristics make you think he'd be lacking in personal hygiene.
What's with all the people suddenly saying that incest can never be consensual? Rape is nonconsensual. CSA is nonconsensual. Incest can involve those but not necessarily, therefore even if it's wrong it's not inherently nonconsensual.
Fancops have this fantasy about therapists as if they're these magical creatures that automatically agree with everything said fancop believes.
To them they're not people who practice based on what actual evidence and research says, they're accessories to project any belief onto.
I'm so angry. I'm trying to not get carried away but... why do we always have to be the "better person" who can't even show how rightfully angry and distraught they are over actual harm, over a person's death??
Sure is fun being a black person in fandom and seeing 43k people agree that they would prefer having a tattoo that lets me know they want me dead for not being white than a cringe but innocuous one about small fictional characters
"If you asked random Normal People™ irl what they think about people with taboo kinks they'd agree with us antis!"
Let's pretend that's true - don't stop at that. Ask them what they think about sex work, too. Ask them what they think about trans people. See how many are bigots.
Is There a Double Standard When It Comes to Sexual Fantasies?
Feminist article, focuses specifically on the most taboo kind of fantasies, such as incest/underage incest, and how people tend to judge women way harder for having them.
Lots of people on this website won't like to hear this but being a person of a certain race, ethnicity, nationality, culture or marginalization does not magically make you omniscent about everything about it, especially when it comes to niche subcultures in it.
Remember when we had to constantly remind people that trans people can, sadly, sometimes be radfems because nobody believed it was a thing... and now every day I see a bunch of trans accounts with radfem in bio talking about how sex work bad, porn bad, and trans men are traitors?
I'm not happy about the news about Kyle Carrozza. I'm fuming. I'm glad he's facing consequences but I am just so fucking angry. It's taking all of my self-control not to call him a monster because i oppose dehumanization on principle but holy fuck.
I've said this before elsewhere but I will say it again: we need to gradually stop referring to fancops as antis. They are fandom radfems. It's an accurate description and they can't try to change its meaning.
Random anti pretends to be a CSA survivor's ex (an ex who had sexually assaulted him), doxes him, calls him being sexually assaulted "cute", sends a bunch of minors messages claiming that said survivor molested real kids (a lie, obviously)... all because... "it's funny"...
No, the HRW obviously doesn't call it "anti-shipper rhetoric" because they don't care about fandom terminology.
Yes, they call accusing someone of pedophilia over manga-style drawings "bogus" and "baseless".