hi, this is a complaint thread abt HYV's cc program pls read if u like
ive been a genshin content creator (cc) as a writer since july 2022 & we've just been told that we are getting kicked as of march 1. i'm not so mad abt not being a cc anymore, but more so abt what this says
🧵 my attempt at picking apart the chinese version of the lore text under scaramouche's drip marketing (the genshin insta post abt the farmer and scara visiting his friend's grave)
(since theres some nuance in the chinese version that doesn't entirely come across in the english)
i only realized this b/c a xhs account pointed it out😭 in the tgcf donghua ending song, in the lyrics, the 1st character of each successive line spell out 天官赐福百无禁忌 (by heaven officials blessing no paths are bound) and 身在无间心在桃源 (body in abyss heart in paradise)!!!
IF KAVEH WERE TO ASK HAITHAM FOR P MUCH ANYTHING AT ALL (EG. ASK FOR HELP, OR ASK HAITHAM TO BE GENTLER WITH HIM, OR ASK WHY HES EVEN IN THE HOUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE) HAITHAM WOULD FOLD IMMEDIATELY BUT KAVEH IS TOO PRIDEFUL TO SO HAITHAM IS STUCK HAVING TO LOVE SILENTLY WHILST
once again asking fans in general that if u read a fic u like, please consider leaving kudos or a comment😭 it rlly means a lot to us authors who already get very little recognition as is, due to the nature of our work & how much longer it takes to read fics (vs. looking at art)
about hyv as a company.
this morning, we received this announcement saying that the original cc program will no longer exist, instead we will "merge" with the hoyocontent creators hub (hch).
we've been told to apply for the hoyo content creators hub, but fanfiction is no longer mentioned as an accepted content in the HCH description & application form. the HCH program only accepts content on tiktok, youtube, insta, twitter and twitch; ao3 is no longer an option here
basically, it seems that us writers are getting booted out of the program. id like to mention that since the announcement they made is very vague, we are still emailing them to ask for a clarification, but my hopes are slim. + it says they may require 7 days to reply(?????)
and yet in the flood, your hands are the repose
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#haikaveh
2.8k • light angst • e rated
• theres a character study somewhere in the fic // kaveh in a skirt
• LMAOOO HAPPY NEW YEAR I CANT STAND MYSELF MIND THE TAGS OK BYE
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here is the river you carve from his mercy
#haikaveh
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e-rated • hurt/comfort & angst
the moments of respite amid all of the awfulness
hey, guys. fic is quite personal to me so id rly appreciate if u could read it & maybe comment, but do mind the tags
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HYV kicked out all artists with <500 followers & all cosplayers with <200 followers last month. i knew it was a matter of time before they did smth to writers too, so im disappointed but not surprised. but it just comes to show how HYV values reach over quality of our work, and
furthermore, the HCH program has a 1000 follower requirement in order for you to be eligible. in the HCH program there will be "incentive programs" where ccs have to participate in challenges/competitions to earn rewards like primogems.
i'm mad not really just because i'm not in the program anymore—tbh i dont rlly care and ive been thinking of leaving for a while, but this is the kick in the boot for me lol. im just mad bc of what this shows about how HYV views creatives like us. i knew something was up when
i think its harmful to judge someones creative work based on reach. reach depends on many factors— yes skill does play a part in it, but things like luck, popularity of the character u are creating content for, algorithm, etc. all play a part in it. reach≠how good ur work is and
this is also evident in the fact that just one month ago, they changed their standards to favour "eligible bonus content" (content related to the current patch, aka free promo for them) over other content. as a result many of us experienced a large reduction in rewards
the reality is that us ccs are kind of giving them free promo, thats why our numbers & reach mean so much to them. naturally we all know that ao3 doesnt have followers as a thing, so its unsurprising that writers are looked upon so unfavourably by this change
chinese and poc queer people have been saying this for the longest time and yet white fans will still dismiss coding & use the lack of "canonically stated sexuality/gender identity" to justify their own homophobia and transphobia
its important to acknowledge that numbers dont define u as a cc. more digestible content is more likely to do well unfortunately. fanfiction is one of the more "undigestible" kinds of content out there because it takes more time to read our work than it takes to watch
also, i find that the HCH program's "incentives" and challenges/competitions does not really align w my thoughts about content creation. i write as a hobby, not to compete. i know many artists who draw as a hobby, not to complete challenges.
3.3 spoilers
its not "hyv did this to redeem scara" though its "scara did this because he was in so much distress at that moment and now what's done is done"
the plot has to develop as a consequence of scara's actions and not the other way round
a 15s video on tiktok for example—so imo writers are already receiving less recognition than they deserve as a whole. while this isnt inherently anyones fault and just the way things are, it really sucks that HYV is adding fuel to the fire.
turning creative work into a competition for numbers on socials just takes away the joy for me. so in a way i think this is kind of a good change for me at least, because i finally feel "free" from the program somehow😭 i can finally interact w nsfw/leaks on twt etc.
so even if they do get back to us & allow writers in, i think this is still where i dip because the program does not feel like a fun space for me anymore & it doesnt align w/ my values
my main reason for writing has always been for myself so i wont stop writing bc of this change, but i am mad bc its very telling of how they see content creators. what a great way to tell ppl that their work isnt enough just bc of a few numbers
Bro r some ppl not reading the whole thread i never said ai writing is ok im a writer myself 💀💀💀💀 it was sarcastic & meant to mock the tiktok ppl & i never expected this tweet to randomly blow up anyway
as i said id already been thinking abt leaving when they booted the small artists😭 for small creators its already hard for them to get the recognition they deserve so this is just so like, 落井下石, throwing a stone in a well when the persons already at the bottom
@kunikunicore
YES i noticed this too theyre all covered up now :( whats interesting is that the only time when theyre depicted to be not covered up is when albedo draws him in the 5 kasen painting, +
@rinazamok
at this point comparing influence between ships from western and asian media is pointless bc the rulers being used to measure them are different. we're supposed to judge how a ship "influenced" western fandom culture but chinese ships were included? like obviously +
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due to recent changes in hoyoverse's policies, the genshin cc programme is being merged with the hoyolab programme, which does not have any category for writers. in turn, this means writers will no longer be recognised as official ccs. +
"you're arguing with a robot" yes i am and i once also argued so much that i made the AI break & stop interpreting my input and essentially stop working. Hope that helps!
i have so much to say abt characterisation vs mischaracterisation
tdlr we all write for fun, dont limit writers' creative choices as long as its not as if no care was taken into characterisation, only basing personality on stereotypes etc
Normalize mischaracterizing your comfort characters do it do it. I literally do not give two shits about whether or not a character would canonically do something. It’s my comfort, my art, my rules.
kaveh is such a good subversion of the idea that emotions = weakness because how can you be stronger than someone who saw and lived through the shitty parts of the world & still emerge out of it not only to tell the tale *but* also to keep *choosing* to remain hopeful in it
this thread is muted anyway, ai bros go argue with the wall. for those who r saying i dont understand anything or "it's not that deep", i'm a stem major at uni and i most definitely know how ai works. i have to code for my degree ffs. i'm still against ai though.
fengqing poll thread!!!!
doing this again pls dont flop if it does i never tweeted
*some of these are purposefully vague, u can interpret the questions as u will, feel free to qrt with explanations
1. who fell first?
@kunikunicore
+ not sure what significance this has but to me in the painting his outfit seems more like that of a ... wanderer ?? the joints are uncovered and even the veil is gone in the painting which could possibly be like . the future like when hes finally learning to accept emotions
kaveh provides comfort for many fans who struggle with depression or people who are in the arts/creative field who are experiencing its struggles... not everyone has to be extremely relevant to the aq in order to have significance zzzz
4. The farmer was terrified that he might had encountered some spirit, and hurriedly hid behind a rock. The figure spoke again. "What are you afraid of? Would a passerby such as I hurt you? I am merely here to tend to the grave of a friend."
if the idea of trans scara makes you uncomfortable then youre the problem idk what to tell u. And if my language and culture make you uncomfortable youre also the problem idk what to tell u
ok yeah it is confirmed that the HCH has a greater emphasis on numbers that the original cc program did not have. in the faq it says "you will be evaluated based on data performance and quality." & "data performance" is based on following, fans growth, views etc.
what is really disheartening to me is that writers' work has never been valued as much as other fancontent in general. as someone else in the cc discord said—everyone talks about ai art, nobody gives a shit about ai writing; zines looking for 30 artists and 5 writers.
then the rewards started dropping because of the new "changes" and tbh i have to say i think why HYV made it a rule for us not to disclose the amount we get is because they dont want to show how fucked up the system is—or at least, this is partly the reason why.
id like to add that writers have always been getting fewer primos than other content creators like artists, streamers etc. consistently. i was scared to speak abt this for a long while because we werent allowed to talk about how many primos we got, but+
uncharted turn ||
#haikaveh
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- 13k // rated E
- uhhhh improper use of alhaithams desk, apparently. but theres also angst bc its just hkvh things.
- IM GOING TO BURY MYSELF INTO THE GROUND
i think its time for me to talk abt it tbh. i always thought my work wasnt good enough because i got less primos (usually under 5k) than artists ik and i know streamers get 20k+.
HI KAZUHEI NATION HERE IS MY OFFERING i typed most of the fic in one sitting
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#kazuhei
#heikazu
- 10k words
- T rated
- canon compliant, fluff + light angst
- heizou asks kujou sara to give him kaedehara kazuha's case
so it really sucks that HYV was contributing to this all along. for the longest time i really believed maybe my writing was bad and thats why i got fewer primos, but no.
i joined in july and got the same amount every month up till november, regardless of quality.
i say we make a graveyard of our hands
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13k words // rated E //
#haikaveh
• unhealthy relationship
• hopeful ending
• hurt/comfort (kind of)
hi everyone i bear new fic
9. Chills ran down the farmer's spine as he finished reading the note. Tatarasuna had been deserted for many years, and it had been a long time since anyone came here to pay their respects. And even if there were, why would they appear on such a night?
i'm a native chinese speaker but my chinese isnt perfect so if ur also a chinese speaker feel free to add more in the replies! the CN text can be found on genshin's weibo
(also in the tweets ill be using traditional CN characters cuz i cant read simplified properly lmao rip)
3. This person wore a wide hat that concealed their face entirely. However, the farmer could hear breathing through the pitter-patter of the rain.
A moment later, the figure spoke: this is how humans should breathe.
GUYS HEAR ME OUT. "So, even though you have broken my heart yet again, I wanted to say, in another life, I would have really liked just doing laundry and taxes with you" BUT HAIKAVEH
2. There should no longer have been residents there, but as if destiny had decreed it, a farmer had come there, picking Naku Weed to make a living. Thus it was under the moonlight that he saw a phantom figure standing on the edge of the cliff.
omg why do chinese fanwork creators have the most fanfic-esque stories remember that time there were 2 rival fic writers who secretly read each other's fic on alts and one of them sent the other one supplies and shit when they were sick during covid or something
gonna start crying…. so the artist low-key found out all the accounts were the same person & even said she’s willing to continue creating art just for HER
“我都会为你一个人创作下去的。”
i think they should just get married
LIKE WE'VE SEEN HOW THAT MAN ACTS WHEN KAVEH SHOWS THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF BEING UPSET HE JUST FUCKING FOLDS IMMEDIATELY HE'S SURRENDERED SO SO LONG AGO IM TELLING U GUYS... BUT HE CANT LOVE KAVEH BOLDLY OR DIRECTLY OTHERWISE KAVEH WOULD FREAK BUT HES ACCEPTED HE CAN WAIT...
SIMULTANEOUSLY PRETENDING TO BE INDIFFERENT ON THE SURFACE SO AS NOT TO DRIVE KAVEH AWAY AND I JUST SLFKAJSFWOIEFNHIAVDNIHWROAS... KAVEH IS TOO PRIDEFUL + GUILTY TO ASK FOR HELP (AND ALSO DOESNT WANT TO ADMIT HES GOTTEN THE WRONG INTERPRETATION OF EVENTS WHEN IT COMES TO HAITHAM)
so.. when will i get someone who would offer me their place to stay without asking for anything in return and leave notes in my books when im depressed and take up commentator for an event to help me reach closure with a problem in my life and buy apology wine and
kaveh: i hate alhaitham he is so annoying
some random: i hate alhaitham too
kaveh: WHAT DID YOU SAY? how dare you say something so outrageous how dare you call him rude or unfeeling how could you see him as a robot with no emotions just say you don't understand him and go