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Storytelling, video games,& musing about oddities. 36, Spoonie, writer, #pluralgang

Kansas City, MO

https://t.co/RFnKGXUrZe

Joined August 2009

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

Intro thread: J. Shea Forrest is the pen name of The Cambrian Crew, an endogenic system. A system is a group of ppl sharing a head, endogenic = this experience wasn't caused by trauma. We are collectively afab, mid 30s, work in healthcare, multiply disabled, & geeky/artsy. /1

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

@iconic_midget @DegenerateThing @LeftAccidental I'm sorry, you're getting cut in half down the midline so half of you can be deported. In line with their agenda, they're only deporting the left half. The right can stay.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

Dear all y'all, Endogenic does NOT mean "doesn't have any trauma at all." It means "not formed from trauma". That's it. Sincerely, A very tired-of-explaining-this endogenic system with CPTSD whose origins are something other than the trauma we went through #syscourse

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

Cw syscourse "But endogenics make singlets think we're fake!" So does having introjects, nonhuman headmates, age sliders, nonbinary headmates, mogai headmates, headmates with accents, being polyfragmented, being too overt, being too covert, having or not having amnesia...

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

11 months

#syscourse Alters and sysmates can indeed die. They can go dormant in a way that feels equivalent to death. It is incredibly insensitive to tell people who are mourning the loss of a sysmate, "They're not really dead, they're just dormant." Either way they're still gone.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

PSA: Being triggered by a thing doesn't mean you think it's bad. Being squicked by a thing doesn't mean you think it's bad. Not wanting to see a thing doesn't mean you think it's bad. Your boundaries and comfort zone doesn't equate to what you think is good or bad for all.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

1 year

@JudSawyer @MuirDragonne @heraldscotland @Lenniesaurus Not all people who menstruate are women or girls, but all women and girls are people.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

Thread of experts acknowledging nontraumagenic and nondisordered systems. The diagnostic manual the ICD-11, written by doctors of the World Health Organization, has this to say in the Boundaries With Normality section of the DID entry:

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

9 months

Thread of experts saying that endogenic and nondisordered systems are valid: First off, we have the Plurality chapter of the book Transgender Mental Health by Dr. Eric Yarbrough, Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric, published by the APA in 2018 :

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

"Endo systems stop lying to the whole world" OK, we'll stop acting like a singlet then, just for you. Because THAT'S the lie. We may look and act like one person in the outside, but inside we're def diff people, working, playing, loving our friends, and just Being together.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse Hate to be the bearer of bad news, y'all, but if you spend any significant amount of time actually looking at the research about DID, ESPECIALLY if you also look at research on other disorders and diseases and conditions...

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

7 months

You can partially break a bone, it's called a fracture. You can even get hairline fractures from stress where there's no actual "break" moment, just stress over time. And as you've been told, P-DID is a dx in the ICD-11 where 1 person is frontstuck and rarely/never switches out.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse I am so tired of hearing that endogenic systems invalidate traumagenic systems just by existing. Invalidating is an ACTIVE verb. Someone else existing in a way different from you is not at all the same as actively telling you your way of being is wrong or impossible.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#pluralgang Just a reminder that it's perfectly okay to not know who's fronting at any given time. You can just vibe and simply be, without worrying about that. You're fine.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

We know pro dx'd systems who have been fakeclaimed for most of these by singlets who think the whole idea of plurality is unbelievable. Close-minded people are going to think you're fake no matter what you do or say so better to get used to it now, and be yourselves regardless.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse Gotta love seeing people say that the age range for developing DID is in the DSM when it's absolutely not. Sysmedicalism is worse than a game of telephone. Someone says something like it's fact, and people spread it around til folks think it's an Official Fact™.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

"But it's just fiction!" Good-hearted writers don't use harmful stereotypes in their writing, and they sure as hell don't make them the crux of a story.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 months

#syscourse "Notice how endogenics focus only on having headmates, not the other symptoms of DID." Yeah cuz for the most part we *don't have or claim to have DID.* Why would we talk about having symptoms of a disorder we're adamant that we don't have?

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

... having clearly defined roles, not having roles, being too distinct, being too similar... All perfectly fine things for real systems to have or be. The problem isn't being endogenic, another just fine thing for a system to be. It's singlets being stupid. Blame them, not us.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 months

#pluralgang #pluralpride Crystal Willow: So we Officially™ came out as plural to our team at work and per our supervisor's advice sent an email explaining plurality and what we'll be doing now that we're not all pretending to be the same person. Results have been... Mixed.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

What people think it's like being plural: Bunch of people talking over each other all the time like five TVs tuned to different channels simultaneously What it's really like: *crickets* "I'm bored." "Me too." "Same." *collective sigh*

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

... it quickly becomes exceedingly obvious just how little research on DID there's been and how poorly it's been done. I'm not saying that to suggest that DID doesn't exist. I'm saying that acting like it's proven that plurality only ever comes from trauma is so not true.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

7 months

#syscourse We saw a take that insists that systems can't be endogenic because being a system takes up too much brain power. We have to expend extra energy to pretend to be a singlet. Being plural is our effortless base state. The only time it's harder is when...

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

My big problem with the whole separate spaces for DID systems vs endogenic systems thing: They don't really mean all DID/OSDD-1 systems. They mean traumagenic DID/OSDD-1 systems who have a very specific, purely medical idea of their multiplicity, who also want...

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

7 months

Yet another #syscourse thing I love (/s) Blaming endogenics for the reason DID systems aren't taken seriously. Before us it was the false memory syndrome foundation. Before that it was Satanic Panic. Before that it was bored housewives. There has ALWAYS been an excuse.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse tangential The fmri study on folks with tulpas is finally done getting people in the machine! Now they're on to analyzing the data, writing up the results, and then getting it reviewed and published. Exciting!

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

10 years of study on it here, and no trauma is not a criteria for DID/OSDD-1 in the DSM, nor is it a trauma related disorder like PTSD is. Also the phrase you were looking for is "theory of structural dissociation". 6 years of research & you don't know what it's actually called?

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Let's say this again, Endogenics don't exist. DID/OSDD is a TRAUMA related disorder according to the structure of dissociation, the fact its a dissociative disorder, and its in the dsm criteria. 💕 - A system whos done over 6 years of research on the disorder. #systwt #syscourse

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

#syscourse It's not about "identifying" as a plural system. We Willows + Crew ARE a system, whether we identify that way or not. We were many minds in one head before we knew about plurality & we would still be plural even if we never had. It's what we are and always will be.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse Yes, media representations of DID absolutely DOES affect non-DID plurals. Anyone who doubts that is welcome to hear in detail how our host's ex believed we Crew must obviously be dangerous, largely because of the influence of media depictions. It affects us all.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

Hey #pluralgang #systwt artists and creative folks! We've come up with a creative challenge for this month for systems. Post your art or other creative works under the hashtag #systober22 !

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

1 year

#syscourse Having a reason for your plurality that isn't trauma, doesn't invalidate the trauma that other people and through. It's just "I got here for other reasons". Now, "You're faking, endos aren't real" THAT'S invalidating. And that only comes from antis.

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

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Oops! All fictives! Anyways: • Please stop treating us weird and acting as if we have to be canon compliant. • We aren't your personal meet and greet. • Some of us do have spiritual explanations for our existence.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

I hate the idea endogenics are just playing at plurality, that they pick it up like a fandom and can set it down and walk away at any point. Not only is that extremely disrespectful to me and my fellow systemmates who are all equals in this body we share, but like... /1

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

I see it going around that endogenic systems are systems that originate after childhood, and that's not true. All endogenic means is that the origin was something other than trauma, and has nothing to do with when. Sincerely, an endogenic that's been plural since at least age 4.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

We agree that trauma disorders require trauma – endogenics aren't claiming to have one w/o trauma. We claim to have the experience of being many in one body w/o trauma as the origin of that xp. And DID/OSDD-1 are *dissociative* disorders anyway, not trauma ones like PTSD etc are.

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Yeah I’m proudly sysmed. I believe in order to have a trauma disorder you need to have gone through trauma. Block me if you don’t like that. #syscourse

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

#pluralgang #syscourse It's perfectly fine if you view your systemmates as parts that together form a full person. We'll 100% support you. It's NOT okay to say that EVERY systemmate is merely part of a full person and not a full person themselves. That we will never support.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse tangential The thing about the smashed plate metaphor that really bugs me is the implication that no one in a system ever grows. Sure, they may be, for you, parts of what used to be or should have been one plate. But they CAN grow to be a full plate themselves too.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

We can't help but take it personally when people say things like, "Endogenic systems are delusional". We Willows don't have an original or a core. If we're delusional, all four of us are a delusion... And whose delusion are we? We're REAL. To say otherwise is very hurtful! ~BB

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse Us: "We're endogenic. We experience sharing our head with other people for reasons other than trauma or DID." Them: "You don't have DID." Us: "We know that? Still plural though." Them: "No you're not. Trauma is the only thing that can cause DID!" Us:

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse Just a reminder: Psychosis and delusions are false beliefs about tangible, objectively observable, external reality. Plurality is an intangible, subjectively observable, internal reality. So you can't be deluded about if you are or aren't plural.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse "If you don't have DID, then what do you have?" Things don't have to be a disorder to be a valid experience.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

Gotta love the whole "You're not endogenic, you just have imaginary friends!" claim. Which, exactly, of us Willows is the "real" person then and which of the rest of us are the imaginary friends? Cuz... We're all equals here lol. ~MB

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse Gotta love being told "Go to therapy and get help" and then when we say we ARE in therapy and our mental health team acknowledges our endogenic, nondisordered plurality, we're called liars. Even though we have an expert on record saying what we experience isn't DID.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

We can't even objectively prove anything about dissociative identity disorder, except that it exists, and we only know it does because there's so many people who experience the cluster of symptoms that we label as DID/OSDD-1.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#pluralgang One of the best things about being plural is always having someone to back you up when you're making a difficult decision. :)

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 months

@creepermug We've been plural more than twice as long as you've been alive. We've been out as plural online for almost a decade. If we were pretending surely we'd have gotten tired of all the hate by now. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

Some notable flaws in the research on DID: Embarrassingly low sample sizes Subjects drawn from pools that aren't representative of the general population Very little new research data, most new papers are rehashes of old research data from decades ago

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

Cw: Frank discussion of abuse, syscourse . . . . . When we were a child, we heard all the time, "You're not in pain, you don't know what real pain is." "You're not depressed, you don't know what's really going on in your head." "This isn't abuse, I know what real abuse is." /1

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse #pluralgang For those who are worried about plurality going mainstream: There will always be trolls and detractors, sure, but there will always be tools to handle those, and people willing to stand up for all of us. We're going to be okay. We've got this, together.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

Hell, we don't even know for sure what causes depressive disorders, and that's pretty much the most studied and the second most common disorder on the planet (second only to anxiety disorders.)

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

1 year

#syscourse God I love (/s) it when anti-endos show their ignorance by insisting that it's only trauma between ages 6-9 that can cause DID. The theory is actually BEFORE 6, it's EASIER to have tertiary structural dissociation. Not "between". And certainly not "only".

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

Seriously. It is so, so bad. So embarrassingly bad. And when people say there's tons of studies proving this, that, or the other about DID, or better yet, plurality? It just proves to me that they haven't done a smidgeon of looking for themselves. Cuz it is BAD.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#pluralgang IDK who needs to hear this today but friendly reminder: "Headmate" doesn't mean they have to be your mates/friends. Just means they're people who share a head with you, like roommates or housemates/flatmates or classmates etc. /1

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse "Endogenic systems are impossible. All systems are traumagenic and research supports this." What research? We've looked for it and asked for it. There's no research whatsoever proving the claim that only trauma causes all experiences of plurality. Nothing at all.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

Reminder that if you experience being more than one in your head, no matter the origin of that experience or what it means to you, you're welcome to be part of the plural system community, if you want. No pressure, no expectations, but it's open to you. #pluralgang

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

I genuinely hate how little plural community history has lasted. Less than 10 years ago, "system" was widely known as an umbrella term. System discoursers were telling ppl w DID, "Don't call yourself a system, only 'natural system' fakers use that term." /1

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

Red apples don't invalidate green apples, people who are sad and aren't clinically depressed don't invalidate people who are clinically depressed, and nondisordered systems don't invalidate disordered systems. Being similar yet different is not the same as "You aren't valid."

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

99% of the time, #syscourse just makes me roll my eyes or at worst, groan in frustration at seeing the same garbage expelled over and over again. But this? This legitimately seriously pissed me off.

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

1 year

Just wanted to bring this back up since we're seeing again in #syscourse the claim that we're all just imaginary friends, which is incredibly laughable with us Willows who don't have a "real" one to do the imagining of the others with. 😂

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse "You can't justify endogenic plurality through a medical lens because you can't just make up a medical condition." Not all cognitive phenomena are medical conditions. See synesthesia for the best example of an unusual mental phenomenon that's not an illness. /1

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

And everyone's favorite, "This is my theory so I'm only going to look closely at preliminary results that support my theory and spend half a paragraph discussing why there's more 'outliers' than the data I'm using from the data pool." (Looking at you, Ross's Winnipeg study.)

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse A disorder isn't just something that's abnormal. It HAS to interfere with functioning to some significant degree too. Otherwise, things like synesthesia and being able to lucid dream would be disorders, not just unusual conditions/abilities. Same goes for plurality.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

FYI: If you're looking at the written word in a language you normally understand and it appears meaningless, you may be dissociating.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse , #inpluralterms Median is *not* an endogenic term. It was neither coined by nor is it exclusive to endogenic systems because it was coined before the community split into traumagenic vs endogenic systems. It's an explicitly INCLUSIVE term though.

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse If someone else's existence makes you uncomfortable, angry, feel fake, triggered, etc, that's not their fault. It's something you need to work on yourself. We Willows are made really uncomfortable when we're around large guys/masc-presenting people with beards ...

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse tangential If you define yourselves as many separate people cohabitating a body and brain, that's perfectly fine and valid. If you define yourselves as parts of one person, that's fine too. Saying that all real systems are one of those? NOT fine.

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

@witherdbones The dx criteria, in both the DSM and ICD, does not require trauma. Trauma is heavily associated with DID/OSDD-1, but that doesn't mean it HAS to be there. And besides, neither DID/OSDD-1 nor structural dissociation are required to experience being many in one body.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse It's a shame that the majority of anti-endos know next to nothing about plural community history. That's how we end up w/ ahistorical nonsense being spouted as if it were fact, like fictive being short for fictional introject, or multiple system being an endo term 🙄

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse Contrary to the new notion going around, "system" is NOT "short" for a "system of dissociated parts". For one thing, that's literally not how language works.

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse I shouldn't have to say this but... Don't tell people who experience fusion as a purely positive thing that they're wrong or evil. And don't tell people who experience it as loss that they're wrong or hurting others by talking about their experience & perceptions. +

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

5 years

#pluralgang Cambrian Crew Roster/Introduction Thread: Shea/Willow: gestalt person comprised of 4 facets - Mama Bear, Baby Bear, Librarian, and Monk. Overall: she/her, panromantic, demisexual. Writer, artist, home healthcare worker. Fibromyalgia, EDS, depression, anxiety, ptsd /1

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse "People like you don't exist!" Strange how that claim does absolutely nothing to us sitting here, existing, plural as can be. Oh, did you expect us to agree that we don't exist, despite us existing, right here, plain as day? Sorry not sorry, not happening.

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

Gotta love the "you can't have OSDDID without trauma, a simple Google search can tell you that" line from immature people in syscourse. 1) We're quite emphatic that we don't have a dissociative disorder. We're many in one head with neither a disorder nor trauma origins.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

Gotta love the gaslighting of "I believe differently than you therefore you must be lying." Can't wait til the Stanford fMRI test results come out, so I can show it to people when they insist we Crew are lying. 🙄

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

11 months

Of course they can come back from being dormant. They can come back from being dead. Doesn't mean they will. Doesn't change the fact that for now, they're gone. Mourning rituals like an in-system funeral and wake can help with the grieving process.

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F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

"We don't call people w/o other disorders a specific term, why do we do it w/ DID/OSDD-1?" We do w/ autism. People w/o it are allistic. And not everyone who doesn't have DID/OSDD-1 is a singlet. Even if you think only trauma causes systems, there's nondisordered traumagenics.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

Contrary to what some people are saying, "Plural" was not coined by endogenic systems. Its use predates the term "endogenic" by over 15 years. It was first put into wide use by mid-continuum/median systems, meant to include medians & multiples.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

7 months

On today's episode of #syscourse things I love (/s): Confidently incorrect teenagers. "This has been proven wrong" they say and can't back it up, because they don't HAVE anything to back it up except word of mouth from their friends.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

#syscourse Yes you need trauma to have a trauma disorder. Being plural is not always the result of trauma. I don't know why people say the first as if it counters the second.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

I seriously don't know how the Willows have the patience to deal with the people who insist on having stupid stances like "endogenic isn't a recognized diagnosis" cuz duh it's not a disorder, or "this page with the links I asked for is biased" when you asked for a certain stance.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 months

Already shared this on Tumblr, thought I had here too but I guess not. We drew this at work a couple days ago during our down time. We call it "The Plural Bubbles." Feel free to do whatever with it. :) #pixelart #TheFutureIsPlural #pluralgang

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse "I've never seen an endogenic who didn't claim to have DID or OSDD-1" Dude you're talking to one. And the vast majority of them in the pluralgang tags here and on Tumblr, plural discord servers, and plural subreddits identify as nondisordered systems. So... Yeah

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

Reminder that you don't need to prove your existence or experience to anyone. You know you exist, you know what you experience, that's more than enough. #PluralGang #pluralpride

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#syscourse Just a reminder that it's perfectly okay to view your system as one person with dissociative barriers between parts. It's not okay to insist that all systems are just that.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#pluralgang There's been a new research paper on parogenic systems that was just published and made freely available! Haven't read all of it yet, but it's neat. Talks about parogenics and ASMR wrt metacognition, absorption, & hallucination-proneness.

Unusual experiences and their association with metacognition: investigating ASMR and Tulpamancy

Unusual experiences in Tulpamancer and Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR) communities are generally positive and sought after, unlike hallucinations and delusions in clinical populations. ...

www.tandfonline.com

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse Proof that anti-endos don't actually care about trauma survivors: us. Getting harassed and called fake when we are quite open about the fact that we have a history of severe trauma, and could ostensibly therefore be a traumagenic system in denial.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

#pluralgang #syscourse adjacent System responsibility: a thread ----- "Systemmates are separate people" and "In a system, responsibility for what other systemmates do is shared" are statements that can and should coexist. /1

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

3 years

I think anti-endos are often so keen on "stopping the spread of misinformation!!" that they don't stop to consider for a second what they're deeming misinfo before attacking it. They see something that even the teeniest bit resembles an "endogenic" thing and go "No! Wrong!"

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse "You're a liar of delusional! You can't be many people in one head without DID or OSDD-1!" Our psych team acknowledges that we're many people in one body and even encourages us to lean on each other. They wouldn't if they believed us to be lying or delusional.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

Maybe when YOU watched Split, you knew that duh obviously people w/ DID aren't monsters. But there's people who watched who went, "What if they have violent alters who try to get them to do evil things?" THEY'RE the reason we need to #GetSplitOffNetflix

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

Cw syscourse Gotta love when anti endos just make up studies they think probably exist (or have been told exist) when you can do a quick Google scholar search and find out they actually don't...

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

5 years

@alissa914 @ireneista @NessariJ @sftechworker @erinbiba Yeah, you lose. Not as badly as disabled people literally losing their lives because they are literally unable to afford to live somewhere they can safely run a generator that they also can't afford on poverty wages. You want them to be able to prepare? Vote in people who care.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

8 months

We participate in #syscourse with very little hope of changing the minds of the people we're arguing with. They're not the point. We do it for the lurkers watching from the sidelines. We do it for our friends who need the validation.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

They had to be told, "No, it's an umbrella term that anyone who experiences plurality can use." That was true then, and it's true now, and it's so frustrating that ppl think it's this almost holy word that only ppl who have DID or OSDD-1 can use when it's NEVER been that. /end

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

9 months

#syscourse I find it funny that the same person who doesn't believe that any system can be nondisordered, also said we Crew are probably demon possessed. Like do you not realize that's what a lot of people think about disordered systems, or what?

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

#syscourse I just love the current discourse over the term OSDDID. It's hilarious to me how obvious it is that anti-endos only care about respectability politics up until it inconveniences THEM.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

4 years

FYI, syskeepers: DID has NEVER been classified as a personality disorder. Please stop saying that. Even when it was called MPD, it was still classified as a dissociative disorder. Check the DSM. (If you want pdfs, DM me!) And before that, it was classed as hysterical neurosis.

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

9 months

#syscourse No one was preaching at you. We shared sources backing us up that you refused to look at because you're such a wise teenager you don't believe in reading sources that contradict your beliefs. 😂 Is this the best the anti-endos got? Lol

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@jsheaforrest

F: Shiloh Willow, Varyn | Cambrian Crew 🍉

2 years

Dr. Eric Yarbrough, a Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association, has this to say about plurality in his book Transgender Mental Health.

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