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Josh Howerton

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2 years

🧵MEGACHURCH PASTORS EXPOSED 🧵 Having spent a great deal of time around these people, I've learned some things I've kept secret. But my conscience will not allow that any longer, so here goes. All true stories...

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🧵9 Abortion / Roe v Wade Myths🧵 Responding to 10 common myths about abortion / the overturning of Roe v Wade

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In Jesus’s parables: • One sheep gets more attention than 99. • One-hour workers get the same paycheck as 12-hour workers. • A widow’s two pennies are worth more than “huge sums.” Grace is terrible math.

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ADDENDUM: thread was about mega's bc that's the narrative, but THOUSANDS of smaller church pastors are doing this stuff EVERYWHERE. Not every guy ended up w a large church by "exploitation." Many were "God raises those who lower themselves" situations.

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“Christianity is a tool of white supremacy!” The average atheist is a wealthy white male with access to higher education The average Christian in the world is a woman of color in a developing country

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7 months

👎Beware of lists like this about Jesus 👎 Jesus... - Fed the hungry - Loved the poor - Was a brown-skinned, middle-eastern, undocumented immigrant - Was outraged at systemic injustice - Elevated women - Defied the patriarchy - Eschewed religious power dynamics - Gave

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@NBCNews Hey guys, you lost the plot. I know it can be confusing, let me try to help: The innocent 9 year olds that were gunned down are the good guys, and the person who gunned them down was the bad guy

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2 years

You may say, "WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THEM!" That's my point. A huge publication isn't doing a #1 most downloaded podcast on them and Discovery+ isn't working on a "quietly faithful pastors" documentary. But they're everywhere (not just megachurch pastors)

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PASTOR A led 2 different churches over 10k people, quietly stepped aside to help plant a church in an area that needed one, and now instead of speaking at huge conferences, leads a morning Bible study with recovering addicts and volunteers his time renovating widows' houses

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Joshua 1: "Rahab the prostitute" Matthew 1: Rahab, the grandmother of the Messiah God changes labels and rewrites stories.

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Josh Howerton

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2 years

Don't let sensationalistic clicks-and-views driven journalism convince you that negative outliers are the norm.

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Josh Howerton

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9 months

@RobertMSterling 2020: saying “all lives matter” is to miss the point in “dog whistle racism” 2023: “our hearts go out to Israeli victims, but we must equally remember the Palestinians who will be affected in the aftermath”

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PASTOR C eventually wrote a bestselling book and leveraged the earnings to A) repay the church every dollar they'd ever salaried him, B) launch a group of non-profits serving the poor, and C) reverse-tithe (give away 90%, live on 10%)

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A church can be huge and dead. A church can be small and thriving. Nobody cares how big grape vines are; the only thing that matters how much fruit they produce. Big isn't bad (or good) and small isn't bad (or good). Bad is bad. Good is good.

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PASTOR D uses a large portion of his family's personal income to anonymously help families adopt, has a personal goal of funding 100 orphans' adoption into homes

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MYTH: Xians aren't really pro-life, just pro-birth - they don't care about anybody after they're born! Besides starting almost every Pregnancy Center u'v ever seen, Xians adopt at more than 2x the national avg + are exponentially more generous to the poor than rest of population

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I met PASTOR F (pastor of 3rd largest church in US) when I was 16. He spent 2 hrs w me asking him Q's about how to be a pastor Later found out he said no to a nationally televised interview to keep his meeting w me, bc "a righteous man swears to his own hurt & does not change"

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PASTOR B led 1 of largest churches in US, was known as kindest & most gentle man his staff had ever met, was nearly beaten to death at 2am on the side of a highway bc he stopped to help what he thought was a stranded low-income family w a flat tire that turned out to be thieves

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2 years

MYTH: "My body, my choice!" Abortion advocates tries to define the unborn baby as part of the woman’s body (similar to her toenails), but frankly, this is anti-science. A baby has its own distinct DNA, fingerprints, heartbeat, thoughts, emotions, and pain / pleasure sensations

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2 years

DEMAND: "If they restrict abortion, they should make it illegal for men to desert women after getting them pregnant. If women can't back out of pregnancies, men shouldn't be able to either." RESPONSE: :)

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MYTH: Overturning Roe will result in a hellscape of women dying from medically complicated pregnancies like ectopic pregnancies! DATA: All states that have abortion restrictions allow for ANY procedure that saves the life of a mother

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PASTOR E could be speaking at a huge church or event every week. Instead, you'll find him in a public park with a hat and coat on (lives in a cold region) every Friday doing personal evangelism incognito and praying for people he meets who are in need.

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MYTH: Most abortions are about poverty, health complications, and rape! DATA: Florida is one of the only states that records a reason for every abortion. 75% of abortions are for "no reason/elective."

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Josh Howerton

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7 months

CONTEXT: Since the 90's many pastors have strategically avoided publicly teaching culturally controversial issues, saying things like... - "We draw circles, not lines" - "We wanna be known for what we're FOR, not what we're against" - "We handle those issues privately in

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PASTOR F isn't a Green Room get-my-coffee-and-breakfast-to-order guy (as is often caricatured of pastors of churches his' size). Instead, he arrives 3 hrs before services every weekend to pray over his people

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Josh Howerton

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2 years

Pastors of all church sizes: We are servants, not celebrities. That doesn’t strip you of status, it relieves you of pressure. May you feel like a father in a living room, rather than a performer on a stage today.

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PASTOR G's church is enormous, but could've been much larger. But he felt convicted to leverage his gifts & reputation to help pastors w fewer resources and experience. Gave ~30% of his time to financially invest in, encourage, & coach ~100 pastors of smaller churches for free

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There are 2 reasons 47 of 50 nations in Europe draw a line after 15 weeks for abortions (most at 12 weeks): 1) It's inhumane to kill a baby that feels pain, sucks its thumb, and responds to Mom 2) They had no court (like ours with Roe v Wade) telling them they couldn’t

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2 years

Off the top of my head, I can think of 8 "megachurch pastors" (dislike term) who turned down raises offered by elders so they could pay their staffs more.

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Josh Howerton

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The Bible never moralizes church size 3,000-person church in Jerusalem House church in Corinth Big isn't bad, small isn't bad. Bad is bad There are good big churches & bad big churches There are good small churches & bad small churches Big / small isn't bad. Bad is bad.

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2 years

I’ll be really transparent, here is a pastoral conundrum I’m not liking: Pastors MUST speak to current cultural issues. If we don’t disciple our people, the world will But now there’s a current cultural issue every 3 days, & a warring culture is dictating what I’m talking about

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1 year

In airport listening to guy in terminal w 3 coworkers casually drop, "I caught an earlier flight, so I could get back for church" Coworker says, "Worth it?" and guy is 3mins into talking about how it's impacted his / family's life It's non-cringey and they're really listening

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Josh Howerton

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6 months

🧵How Misapplying Keller Hijacked US Xianity🧵 Large-platform evangelicalism got covertly hijacked by secular progressivism, many aren't yet understanding what’s happening, and (as a result) are attacking the *opposite* NET problem we are facing. Here’s how it happened:

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Josh Howerton

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2 years

🧵Megathread: Failure of the Sexual Revolution 🧵 The movement that promised liberation and pleasure has delivered profound misery and brokenness. Will continue to add to thread…

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Josh Howerton

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2 years

Science confirms an unborn child is not part of another person’s body, but its own distinct body SOURCE: SOURCE:

Study shows preborn babies feel pain as early as 12 weeks' gestation - ERLC

A new study titled “Reconsidering fetal pain” was published in the Journal of Medical Ethics earlier this year. One of the most compelling things to note about this study is the differing worldviews...

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2 years

MYTH: Men (anti-abortion bc they don't have uteruses) are forcing their will on women (who all want abortion access) Women are more likely than men to identify as pro-life, which leads to headlines like, "Why Are Women More Opposed to Abortion?"

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🧵An Uncomfortable Woke Post-Mortem🧵 There was intense pressure in large-platform evangelicalism to accept Critical Theory / Woke justice frameworks as "flawed but helpful analytical tool" But time is proving it wasn't a "helpful tool" but a dangerous ideology w evil outcomes

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MYTH: "Banning abortion doesn't decrease it!" 1 This isn't a moral argument. If they'd said, “Outlawing slavery won’t end slavery! It will just make it go back-alley!” that wouldn’t have been a reason not to issue the Emancipation Proclamation 2 Everybody knows this isn't true

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PPL ARE LOSING THEIR EVER-LOVING MINDS: "I see good things in Hitler" "2 + 2 = 4 is racist actually" "biological male wins woman of the year" "we're not sure doctors should treat born infants if the parent wants the kid to die" It's Christ or chaos, y'all.

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2 years

After a deep betrayal in ministry long ago, I underwent ~2 years of therapy. In one session I vomited out an underlying resentment toward my own church. After patiently listening my therapist said, "Josh, the church didn't hurt you. A few *people* in the church hurt you."

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MYTH: This is racist white supremacy! DATA: not only does abortion kill more minority children than any other population segment, here are some quotes from Margaret Sanger (Planned Parenthood founder) who wanted to unleash abortion on minorities to weed out “inferior races”

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7 months

🧵Christians & Conspiracy Theories🧵 There’s a growing trend of characterizing Christians who question a public narrative as unhinged “conspiracy theorists” guilty of “theological paranoia” But this is to ignore what’s obviously happening (admittedly incendiary examples below)

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6 months

Jesus is born: a star in the night Jesus dies: an eclipse in the day Why? He’s the light of the world.

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2 years

MYTH: "A radical minority is imposing its will on the majority of America!" FACT: at least 71% of Americans want legal restrictions on abortion SOURCES: Pew, FiveThirtyEight, Marist

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Josh Howerton

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1 year

Former MSM journalist I read last year, summarized: “The unspoken rule in the industry is that in every story evangelical Christians must lose” [even when they are 9 year olds being gunned down, apparently]

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1 year

EXCLUSIVE: Nashville mass school shooter was rejected by her Christian parents

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Josh Howerton

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2 years

Recently discovered a group of ~40 Pakistani Christians were huddling around a 32-in TV to join Lakepointe Online + study the Scriptures together. We sent them a projector, and it's officially in use 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰

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Abortion is the evil reverse-image of the gospel. Instead of saying, "I'll die for you", it says, "You die for me." #RoeVWade

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5 months

Progressive Christianity grows social media platforms, but kills churches.

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7 months

🧵UNPOPULAR TAKE ON CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM🧵 Increasingly, any Christian politician or voter advancing their values is decried as “CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM!” Reality in thread to follow:

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Josh Howerton

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6 months

On the night of Jesus' arrest, Peter was willing to kill for Christ but not to die for him. LESSON: There's a type of counterfeit faithfulness that's willing to 'kill' for Christ, but not willing to die for him.

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2 years

Well-resourced churches in Bible Belt: We have a responsibility to resource churches being planted in secular, high-cost urban centers. William Carey to Andrew Fuller: “I’ll go into the pit if you will hold the rope.” There are pit-goers & rope-holders. We are rope-holders.

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6 months

🧵11 PASTOR HACKS🧵 A handful of stuff-that's-not-in-seminary "hacks" have disproportionately helped me in ministry. Here are 11 of them...

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If Jesus was just a man, he could understand you, but not help you. If Jesus was only God, he could help you, but not understand you. But because Jesus was both God and man, he understands you and he can help you.

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2 years

Be wary of "constructive criticism" from people who have never constructed anything.

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6 months

I don’t think people realize how frequently the story of Jesus is now selectively-edited in only one direction. Jesus was a refugee Jesus was a POC Jesus was Asian Jesus was an immigrant But not… Jesus’ parents ensured he was legal and documented in a census Jesus was part

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7 months

🧵BACKGROUND: I'm a 3rd-generation pastor. When I was a kid in the 90's it was cool and edgy for PK's to rebel because "it's just so hard being a pastor's kid!" I always thought that was dumb bc I LOVED being Pastor Rick's son. Here are 3 things Dad did that made that happen

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1 year

Not everything is a big deal. This *is* a big deal.

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On Sept. 19, 2019, I was invited to a private dinner with about 15 pastors at a local church in Gilbert, AZ to participate in a Q&A with @AndyStanley after he finished speaking at a conference. The subject of homosexuality came up and over the next 1.5 hours…

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“Christians believe in the virgin birth of Jesus. Materialists in the virgin birth of the cosmos. Choose your miracle.” –– @glenscrivener

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POST YOUR CHRISTMAS SERVICE PICS/STORIES HERE Zero judgment for “bragging” in this thread - post them all! Literally my favorite thing every year hearing / seeing pastors sharing about awesome candlelight services. (This is my favorite moment from 1 of ours)

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@andrewtwalk @AdamPage85 Step 1: Keller (correctly) popularized the phrase, "The gospel is neither Right nor Left" Step 2: his followers incorrectly treated phrase as, "Right and Left are equal and opposite errors" Step 3: willingness to embrace Left positions became a sign of your "gospel

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7 months

I PROFOUNDLY respect Tim Keller, but there’s a really interesting discussion to be had about what I’d call follower-misapplication of his principles: Principle: “The gospel is neither Right nor Left” Misapplication: “I have to both-sides everything and it has to sound like

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Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control

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"Sexuality is to our culture what wealth was to the Rich Young Ruler." –– @jrvassar

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SUMMARY: If you’re still doing “coddle Left, haymaker Right” in effort to combat a “marriage to the Right” in 2024, you're bringing a fire extinguisher to a flood And in a miscalculated effort to “counterbalance”, you're rushing to the side of the ship that’s already underwater.

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5 months

// Pastors, Don't "Absalom God" // (A warning against something I once did that's common among pastors) Absalom was King David's treasonous son who tried to steal the kingdom from his father. Here's how he did it... He turned hearts against David by standing outside

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7 months

Once you see this you can’t unsee it: In general, Progressive Christians don't want to engage the Biblical arguments of theological conservatives (bc they know that's a losing battle). So, to "skip over" dealing with the Bible, they just try to problematize the Bible teachers.

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9 months

“Pastor, don’t get political!” In our culture EVERYTHING is political. If I talk about our Español campus, abortion, sexuality, race, or opposing terrorists (now), I hear “you’re getting political” In order for a pastor to avoid being political, he has to stop being Biblical.

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1 year

When a Christian gets discipled by the culture, their emotions calibrate to the culture’s ethics. Then, only moral actions and statements that align with the world’s ideologies feel like “the way of Jesus” to that Christian.

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In 2,000 years the church has debated things as significant as… - The humanity of Christ - The deity of Christ - The nature of the Trinity - The content of the canon … but in 2,000 years the church has been *unanimous* on homosexuality (Pope’s ambiguity notwithstanding)

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1 year

All things considered: personal character, theological and textual acumen, boldness, sheer giftedness, etc... Dr. Tony Evans may be the greatest preacher of our generation.

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2 years

If you don't learn to deeply forgive, every relationship in your life will slowly die Heaven is where everyone's forgiven Hell is where nobody's forgiven So, when we forgive we pull heaven down into our lives When we withhold forgiveness, we pull hell up into our lives

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6 months

Mike, couple important things: 1) I wish you could’ve acknowledged at least some truth to thread, bc it feels like you did what I described in the OP: “Approach anything that feels ‘Right’ and look past the good to find the bad in it.” 2) You also quoted me as saying the

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7 months

Why is secularism so “meh” on Islam? Why do secular progressives freak out about an imaginary future in which a theoretical Christian state *could* punish a heretic or subjugate women, while bro-hugging Islam actually doing it? Doesn't compute, right? Wrong. Because, at root,

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1 year

re: pastoral leadership It's ok to care about the ABC's (attendance, buildings, cash). Your ppl want you to care they're there, they have a place to worship, & that you steward their generosity well But you better care about the DEF's too (discipleship, evangelism, fellowship)

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Servanthood: the surprising anxiety-killer When you walk into a room and your goal is to impress people, what you want is out of your control. Anxiety. When you walk into a room and your goal, like Christ, is to serve people, what you want is within your control. Peace.

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9 months

🧵Christianity Today🧵 Been grateful for @CTmagazine over the years (read voraciously since college + had subscription until '22) But 2 apparent trends at CT have been a significant loss for pastors: 1) Slide toward progressivism 2) Disproportionately negative church-coverage

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Josh Howerton

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2 years

Idea: A cultural apologetics class for high school+ that Biblically analyzes narratives like… Sexual Revolution Gender Ideology Christian Nationalism Progressive Christianity Pop-Culture Critical Theory And we call it Defense Against The Dark Arts :)

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6 months

🧵🧵PREACHING HACKS🧵🧵 Over-generalization: It is really hard for a church to outgrow (health & size) its preaching, so here's a bunch of "hacks" I've found uniquely helpful...

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6 months

Joash, why did you: 1) Crop the picture so it misleadingly cut off the point of the tweet 2) Make it sound like I oppose the things in the list you selectively edited to show in the picture, when I explicitly said the opposite — affirmed many of them ARE TRUE 3) Not interact

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1 year

1/8 Beware of (VERY POPULAR) lists like this about Jesus... 👎👎👎

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2 years

And just like that, I became a Celtics fan.

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This is awesome.

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Another extremely uncomfortable reality: This is showing that Christian immigration policy can’t simply be boiled down to, “Love the sojourner and welcome the immigrant. Alright I think we settled everything here, y’all!” The Bible distinguishes between the role of the

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Protestors in Philadelphia stand outside of a Jewish & Israeli owned falafel restaurant “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide”

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// PRIDE MONTH // As we head into “Pride Month,” (a month where our nation celebrates the chief deadly sin of “pride”) gentle reminder to Christ followers that “affirmation or hate” aren't the only 2 choices, and if anyone tells you that, they’re using choice architecture to

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1 year

I respect straightforwardness. I despise unkindness. Both are confused with each other all the time.

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1 year

A pastor must do 2 things: 1) Love people (Matt 5v44) 2) Destroy arguments (2 Cor 10v5) Callous pastors don’t love ppl Cowardly pastors won’t destroy arguments When you destroy arguments, they’ll accuse you of being unloving When you love ppl, they’ll question your convictions

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One of the best things you can do for your church this Christmas is to sit in the front middle of the room, worship passionately, and respond to your pastor's preaching. 10 people like that can change the atmosphere of a whole room, lift hearts heavenward.

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2 years

Body tired, heart overflowing from baptism weekend. I love my "job."

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After this they moved on to reminiscing about the usage of fax machines and "Lotus Notes" (I don't know what that is). Nobody saved on the spot, but that guy moved the needle... and that's how it happens.

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As a result, these subtle dynamics emerged: - Christians advocating a Left-coded issue = “social justice” - Christians advocating a Right-coded issue = “culture warring” - The Right became seen as the moralistic Pharisees Jesus harshly condemned - The Left became seen as the

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PSA because I'm seeing it used on TV at in-laws: 99% of the time, "Christian Nationalism" is an intentionally unstable label whose subtext is, "You can't advocate for your values in the public square, but I can advocate for mine."

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2 years

In their (futile) search for a perfect church, a lot of people never get to pause and enjoy a good one.

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2 years

“Well, JOSH! If there REALLY are all these great pastors and stories like you say there are, why don’t we hear more about them!?” Planes that land safely never make the news.

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THEM: “You can’t mix politics and religion!” ALSO THEM:

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On the same day, I watched - The COO of a Fortune 500 company teach a Bible study to 8 middle school boys (he does every week) - A state politician who also attends our church texted me someone he's been sharing Christ with for 3 months came to Jesus this week I love my "job"

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Josh Howerton

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7 months

A very uncomfortable reality: As secular progressivism increasingly hijacks the Left, and (as Mark Sayers has insightfully shown) the organizing principle of secularism is an "exorcism of Christianity", we are going to have to acknowledge some awkward 'partisan' realities.

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5 months

Body still tired, heart full. 10k people came to a PRAYER MEETING at Lakepointe last night. As @JonTyson has said, "God goes where he's wanted." We want him at Lakepointe...

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Josh Howerton

@howertonjosh

7 months

UDPDATE: a barrage of texts and DM's from church / network / denom / entity leaders, expressing they've come to this conclusion but are nervous to articulate it publicly A) A lot more of you agree than you realize B) Don't "I TOLD YOU SO" leaders when they change

Josh Howerton

@howertonjosh

7 months

🧵An Uncomfortable Woke Post-Mortem🧵 There was intense pressure in large-platform evangelicalism to accept Critical Theory / Woke justice frameworks as "flawed but helpful analytical tool" But time is proving it wasn't a "helpful tool" but a dangerous ideology w evil outcomes

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Josh Howerton

@howertonjosh

2 years

Wrapping paper everywhere Whole house smells like cinnamon rolls Fire in the fireplace An 11, 8, and 3 year old filling every surface downstairs with presents A Christmas Story playing on TV These are the good ole days...

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