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@timesofball
Most G+A - Messi
Most Chances Created - Messi
Golden Boot - Messi
IFFHS Best Playmaker - Messi
UCL Top Scorer - Messi
Real UCL MVP - Messi
League Top Scorer & MVP - Messi
Most Clutch Goals & Assists - Messi
Most G+A in KOs - Messi
Most MOTMs - Messi
Most Indv. Awards - Messi
๐ณ๐ฑNetherlands scored 4 Penalties in 1978 WC but couldn't win.
๐ต๐นPortugal scored 4 Penalties in 1966 WC but couldn't win.
๐ฆ๐ทArgentina scored 4 Penalties in 2022 WC & won the title.
Why?What was the difference between them & Argentina?
The answer of question is: LEO MESSI๐
2023 Ballon d'Or Top 5, if we're being fair -
๐ฅ Lionel Messi ๐ฆ๐ท
๐ฅ Kylian Mbappe ๐ซ๐ท
๐ฅ Erling Haaland ๐ณ๐ด
4. Kevin De Bruyne ๐ง๐ช
5. Antonio Greizmann ๐ซ๐ท
I know I said I won't talk about the Ballon d'Or till the season ends, but it's almost over, so yeah, here's the unbiased Top 5
Goals vs Big Chances Missed by top scorers since 16/17 (T5 Leagues only):
๐บ๐พ Suร rez - 123 G/111 BCM
๐ต๐น Cristiano - 151 G/112 BCM
๐ซ๐ท Mbappe - 163 G/133 BCM
๐ต๐ฑ Lewandowski - 214 G/189 BCM
๐ฆ๐ท Messi - 184 G/86 BCM (Only player with more than 2x as many Gls as BCM)
Clinical ๐ฆ๐ท๐
Messi 22/23 - 3.39 Succ. Dribbles p90
Vinicius 22/23 - 3.18 Succ. Dribbles p90
Cristiano 06/07 - 3.17 Succ. Dribbles p90
35 y/o Messi is a better dribbler than Vinicius and Cristiano in their dribbling prime ๐
Don't show fake stats to counter this, won't fool us ๐
@TimelineCR7
These guys troll Messi for scoring pens in the WC, though he did much more. But hype Ronaldo's 2021 Euros which consisted of 3 Pens & 2 Tapins and nothing else.
If Messi wins the MLS with Inter Miami (who are at the bottom of the league), it'll be bigger than anything Ronaldo has achieved since 36, and if he follows that up by winning Copa with yet another incredible campaign, it'll be greater at an individual level asw.
Reasoning ๐
Most NPG+BCC in 2022 WC:
๐ฆ๐ท L. Messi - 10 (3+7)
๐ซ๐ท K. Mbappe - 8 (6+2)
๐ซ๐ท A. Greizmann - 7 (0+7)
๐ต๐น B. Fernandes - 6 (1+5)
๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ H. Kane - 5 (1+4)
Best offensive players in terms of output ๐ซ
@amitttrmfc
Messi 22 WC without pens: 6 G/A, G/A in every KO game, clutch banger vs Mexico, 2 insane assists vs Netherlands & Croatia, absolute masterclasses vs the best teams he faced, 5 MOTMs (incl. 4 peat), best player from QF to Finals, 2nd highest rated player (highest in KOs).
Most Games Scored in 2023:
๐ฅ Messi - 21
2. Haaland - 20
3. Ronaldo - 19
3. Benzema - 19
5. Mbappe - 18
Messi is also the only one to do it without any pens, others have scored only through pens in 4-5 games..
Messi vs Mbappe:
Longevity - Messi ๐ฆ๐ท (by far)
Peak - Messi ๐ฆ๐ท (by far)
Club - Messi ๐ฆ๐ท (by far)
International - Messi ๐ฆ๐ท (currently far)
Big games - Messi ๐ฆ๐ท (currently by far)
Overall - Messi ๐ฆ๐ท (by far, will always be)
My man is funny, lol
Messi vs Mbappe:
Longevity - Messi๐ฆ๐ท
Peak - Mbappe๐ซ๐ท(by far)
Club - Messi๐ฆ๐ท
International - Mbappe๐ซ๐ท(by far)
Big games - Mbappe๐ซ๐ท (by far)
Overall - Mbappe๐ซ๐ท(by far)
Mbappe is far better than Messi, who can only perform in systems that consistently pass the ball to his feet in
Messi in UCL Eliminations since last decade:
21 Matches
>50 CHANCES CREATED
Just 01 ASSIST
Eliminated by the champion team 6 times, and finalists 9 Times (out of 12).
Had to carry a Europa League team against giants in Quarter-finals & Semi-Finals of UCL
Never had it easy ๐ฎโ๐จ
Messi ๐ฆ๐ท ๐ Ronaldo ๐ต๐น -
Peak/Prime - ๐ฆ๐ท >>
Longevity - ๐ฆ๐ท >/=
Offense - ๐ฆ๐ท >>
Defense - ๐ฆ๐ท >
Club career - ๐ฆ๐ท >
Intl. career - ๐ฆ๐ท >>
Big Games - ๐ฆ๐ท >
Ability - ๐ฆ๐ท >>
How is this even a debate ??
Top 5 players in terms of career -
1. Pelรฉ ๐ง๐ท
2. Lionel Messi ๐ฆ๐ท
3. Ferenc Puskร s ๐ญ๐บ
4. Alfredo Di Stefร no ๐ฆ๐ท
5. Cristiano Ronaldo ๐ต๐น
Top 5 players in terms of talent/ability -
1. Pelรฉ ๐ง๐ท
2. Lionel Messi ๐ฆ๐ท
3. Diego Maradona ๐ฆ๐ท
4. Johan Cryuff ๐ณ๐ฑ
5. Ferenc Puskร s ๐ญ๐บ
Mbappe ๐ซ๐ท ๐ Haaland ๐ณ๐ด
Peak - ๐ซ๐ท
Prime - ๐ซ๐ท
Longevity - N/A (both r young)
Offense - ๐ซ๐ท
Defense - ๐ซ๐ท (both r not good tbf)
Club - ๐ซ๐ท
Intl. - ๐ซ๐ท
Big Games - ๐ซ๐ท
Ability - ๐ซ๐ท
No debate ๐คซ
Messi's best KO runs in major competitions (chronological order):
08/09 UCL (Top 10)
10/11 UCL (Top 2)
14/15 UCL (Top 4)
18/19 UCL (Top 7)
2021 Copa America (Top 1)
2022 World Cup (Top 2)
One of the best Big Game players ever ๐
Pelรฉ's career stats by age 24:
338 Games ๐
429 Goals โฝ
193 Assists ๐ ฐ๏ธ
1.84 G+A per game ๐ฅ
60 Hattricks & 20 Pokers ๐คฏ
43 G+A in 23 Games in Tournaments ๐ซ
๐ Best player in 6/8 seasons
๐ Best player in 1958 WC & 1959 CA
๐ Best player in CL & ICC for Santos
Back 2 Back WCs ๐
If you scored 4 Hattricks and a poker every year for 20 years straight, you'd have 80 Hattricks with 20 Pokers.
Pelรฉ has officially scored 86 Hattricks with 28 Pokers ๐๐ง๐ท
@Leo_messii_7
For those saying Ronaldo scored more, it's fake. Messi scored 579 from 2010-2019, Ronaldo scored 554. IFFHS counts a decade from 2011-2020, which is stupid.
Top 10 Best Players since I started watching football LIVE:
1. Lionel Messi ๐ฆ๐ท
2. Kylian Mbappe ๐ซ๐ท
3. Cristiano Ronaldo ๐ต๐น
4. Neymar Jr. ๐ง๐ท
5. Robert Lewandowski ๐ต๐ฑ
6. Kevin De Bruyne ๐ง๐ช
7. Harry Kane ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ
8. Mohammed Salah ๐ช๐ฌ
9. Toni Kroos ๐ฉ๐ช
10. Allison/Courtios ๐ง๐ท๐ง๐ช
@KushagraPSG
This is soo fake,
Xavi alone has 206, 0.204 per game
Cristiano has 236, 0.202 per game
+ Xavi's playmaking outside final passing is absolutely miles clear
Greatest UCL campaign
๐ต๐น Cristiano Ronaldo 2016/17
๐ซ๐ท Benzema 21/22
Greatest Laliga campaign
๐ต๐น Cristiano Ronaldo 2011/12
๐ฆ๐ท Messi 2012/13
Greatest premier league campaign
๐ต๐น Cristiano Ronaldo 2008/7
๐ณ๐ด Erling haaland 2022/23
Cristiano Ronaldo is the King of football ๐
Best Peak/Indv. seasons
Best Longevity
Best Goalscorer
Best Playmaker
Best Dribbler
Best League Career
Best UCL career (arguable)
Best Copa/Euros career
Best WC career
Best Big Game CV
Most Complete player
Most Decorated player
Best Indv. performance
By One Man in last 40 yrs ๐ฌ
Messi in 16/17 La Liga - 9 Assists from x14 Assists
Messi in 20/21 La Liga - 9 Assists from 13 xAssists
Ronaldo in 23/24 SPL - 9 Assists from 3 xAssists
Never let assists fool u ๐
Show me any other player with such GOAT-level campaigns in every major competition he's played:
โข Top 5 Leagues (11/12, 12/13, 14/15, 18/19 La Liga)
โข Champions League (10/11, 14/15 18/19 UCL)
โข Copa/Euros (2021 Copa)
โข World Cup (2022 WC)
Only Pelรฉ comes close..
Before Messi's career, no player was called "system player" or "one club wonder" for spending most of his club career at one club, doing everything for them, and not for other clubs. It didn't happen to Pelรฉ at Santos, Maldini at Milan or Di Stefร no at Madrid.
Why Messi ?
Ballon d'Or frontrunners:
๐ฅ Lionel Messi ๐ฆ๐ท
๐ฅ Erling Haaland ๐ณ๐ด
๐ฅ Kylian Mbappe ๐ซ๐ท
4โฃ Neymar Jr. ๐ง๐ท
5โฃ Kevin De Bruyne ๐ง๐ช
Messi is still in the lead, Haaland has lot to do in PL & UCL.
Neymar is still Top 4 despite the injury, KDB is rising up with his consistent playmaking.
GOAT performance in each round -
UCL:
GS - Messi vs Dortmund
RO16 - Messi vs Leverkusen
QF - Messi vs Arsenal
SF - Messi vs Bayern
F - Puskร s vs Frankfurt
WC:
GS - Pelรฉ vs Mexico
RO16 - Butragueรฑo vs Denmark
QF - Maradona vs England
SF - Pelรฉ vs France
F - Kempes vs Netherlands
Top 5 Club players:
1. Lionel Messi ๐ฆ๐ท
2. Ferenc Puskร s ๐ญ๐บ
3. Alfredo Di Stefร no ๐ฆ๐ท
4. Cristiano Ronaldo ๐ต๐น
5. Pelรฉ ๐ง๐ท
Top 5 Intl. players:
1. Pelรฉ ๐ง๐ท
2. Lionel Messi ๐ฆ๐ท
3. Franz Beckenbauer ๐ฉ๐ช
4. Ronaldo Nazร rio ๐ง๐ท
5. Didi ๐ง๐ท/Kocsis ๐ญ๐บ
@tweLing1
You guys ride on Bayern more than anything.
Messi's performance against Bayern in 2015 >>>> any Cr7 performance in a reputed game, and compensates the 8 - 2 loss, and maybe even this year's loss as well.
@PrimeCR7i
5-peat Madrid
Barca 2008-11 (2 versions)
Barca 2015
City 2023
Hunguary's golden era
Brazil 58-62
Brazil 1970
Argentina since 2021
There could be more..
Now deactivate
How Pelรฉ scored goals in his career :-
Goalless: 365 Games (133 Assists)
1 Goal: 271 Games
2 Goals: 96 Games
3 Goals: 58 Games
4 Goals: 23 Games
5 Goals: 4 Games
6 or 7 Goals: No Games
8 Goals: 1 Game
Total: 757 Goals in 819 Games โฝ
86 Hattricks (most) ๐ฅ
28 Pockers (most) ๐ฅ
Top 10 WORST Fanbases in football -
1. "Respect both GOATs" ppl
2. Cr7 fans
3. Messi fans
4. PL fans (no specific club)
5. Barca fans
6. Real Madrid fans
7. Man Utd fans
8. PSG fans
9. Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal fans
10. German fans
Why Ferenc Puskร s ๐ญ๐บ is the 3rd Greatest Player OAT (only behind Pelรฉ & Messi):
Top 4-5 Peak/Prime
GOAT Longevity
Top 3 Offensive ability
Top 2-3 Club career
Top 5-6 NT career
Top 2 Big Game player
Most Clutch Scorer
GOAT UCL player (as a veteran)
Best UCL performances at every stage (UCL era only):
Group stage- Messi vs Dortmund 19/20
Round of 16 - Messi vs Leverkusen 11/12 or City 14/15
Quarterfinal - Messi vs Arsenal 09/10
Semi Final - Messi vs Bayern 14/15
Final- Messi vs United 10/11
Best UCL performances for every stage:
Group stage-Lionel Messi vs Tottenham (away 18/19)
Round of 16-Messi vs Leverkusen (home 11/12)
Quarterfinal-Messi vs Arsenal (home 09/10)
Semifinal-Messi vs Madrid (away 10/11) Messi vs Bayern( home 14/15)
Final-Messi vs United (10/11)
25+ Non-Penalty Goals in a calendar year:
Messi - 15 Times
Cristiano - 14 Times
50+ Non-Penalty Goals in a calendar year:
Messi - 5 Times
Cristiano - 2 Times
75+ Non-Penalty Goals in a calendar year:
Messi - 1 Time
Cristiano - never came close
Players with 10+ Top class seasons:
Lionel Messi (14) ๐ฆ๐ท
Pelรฉ (12) ๐ง๐ท
Cristiano (10-11) ๐ต๐น
Puskร s (10) ๐ญ๐บ
Top class season - Top 3 itw (podium)
Top 5 Right Footed players OAT -
1. Pelรฉ ๐ง๐ท
2. Alfredo Di Stefร no ๐ฆ๐ท
3. Johan Cryuff ๐ณ๐ฑ
4. Gryรถrgy Sร rosi ๐ญ๐บ*
5. Franz Beckenbauer ๐ฉ๐ช
Top 5 Left Footed players OAT -
1. Lionel Messi ๐ฆ๐ท
2. Ferenc Puskร s ๐ญ๐บ
3. Diego Maradona ๐ฆ๐ท
4. Rivaldo ๐ง๐ท
5. Daniel Passarella/Gerson ๐ฆ๐ท๐ง๐ท
@pelesburner
Messi was clear in league, not as far behind in UCL, dropped by far the best scoring season since 1980s, scored against every team he faced not just small teams, carried Barca to the league title, and scored that many goals with low vol of chances, won most points via gls & ast.
Most overrated player from each decade:
60s - George Best๐ฎ๐ช
70s - Cruyff๐ณ๐ฑ
80s - Zico๐ง๐ท
90s - Cantona๐ซ๐ท
00s - Henry๐ซ๐ท
10s - Messi๐ฆ๐ท
20s - Messi๐ฆ๐ท