some of you didn't care about anti-roma racism until aventurine. and if you actually cared about us you would be mad at his whitewashing too bcz brown skinned romas are the majority yet our only rep is SEXUALIZED esmeralda and mcu's whitewashed wanda maximoff/scarlet witch.
Chinese players are protesting with everyone else. white racists have no say in this now. they can't make Chinese players look racist anymore. keep those disgusting thoughts to yourselves bigots and let BIPOC rightfully demand our accurate representation!
you do realize that aventurine literally is whitewashed right? how are you calling it a better representation when they only got like 2 dark skinned characters and other pocs like ave and boothill are literally paper white.
seeing this makes me so mad because yeah it's good the character is most likely dark skinned, but they could give a rroma man living in a literal desert the same treatment but they didn't. this is so racist and disappointing to see. fix Aventurine's skin color. give him melanin.
everyone pls stop reposting this thread. the OP isn't indigenous nor native american. they made some wrong points and also a comment about boothill being "a white puppet." he's based on real native cultures. it's offensive.
making a singular thread for a critical analysis of Boothill here bc my main thread is a bit long๐ช
First and foremost, his home is named โAeragan-Epharshelโ and as I suspected that is a localization of its CN characters which ACTUALLY translate to Algonquin and Apache.
"how is not seeing more skin tones affecting reality?" I grew up watching animations portraying my people like some savages who were oppressing white european people. I grew up seeing "dark" (red) skinned people acting like prehistoric animals. everyone associated them with me.
I'm gonna say it.
we need more 30-40 year olds in hyv spaces. even 50 year olds would be nice. no don't say "but that's too much-/they need a job." as long as they're normal, adults are needed in these spaces. especially those who analyze lore and can compare them to irl events
99% of rroma representation is pale yet non-rroma will see aventurine being drawn with darker features and they'll scream "pale rroma exist" shut up. you don't care about pale rroma. you're just allergic to seeing dark features.
since I have people telling me why I don't just drop the game:
the company is racist. it doesn't mean we should drop the games and stay quiet about it when our cultures are getting represented. not pointing out their mistakes and colorism is worse than playing the game as f2p.
EVERYONE PLEASE PLEASE NOTE THAT XICALCOLIUHQUI IS NOT JUST MAYAN. IT'S MESOAMERICAN MEXICAN THING. ALSO PART OF ZAPOTEC CULTURE! please please stop spreading misinfo. as I said before it can also be a zapotec reference on kรญn'ich. this is not necessarily strictly the mayan thing
you tried to silence me when I spoke about rroma and aventurine, you tried to silence me when I spoke up for boothill when he got called white puppet, you are currently trying to silence me again when my culture got involved in natlan which I have every right to speak about.
@AraYuannn
they're talking about the word "sigonian" which is a slur irl but in-game it's the name of aventurine's planet. he didn't call him a slur. he mentioned the name of his planet and talked about how aventurine is just a slave for IPC. afawk it's a slur irl but not in game jeez
I will sit down and cry cuz it's 2024 and people are still racist and don't care about actual human beings whose cultures are taken for sales but not represented correctly because the world is allergic to melanin. as I said, I won't be pulling for paper skinned characters.
"genshin is a work of fiction" then stop taking our cultures and our people/Gods are your inspo. be creative and come up with your own world without stealing our representation for sales and profit. Al-Haitham, Al-Tighnari are real names. they're not fictional. it's irl cultures.
"I'm mexican so it's ok if they make natlan pale. pale latinos exist" yeah pale indigenous* people exist. but hoyo doesn't care about them. hoyo is colorist. pale skinned people fr cannot see the issue with colorism and natlan being yt. + natlan includes african culture as well.
idk who needs to hear it but SAYING STUFF LIKE "they're so canon and dating but historians would call them friends" ABOUT YOUR MID (garbage) M/F SHIP IS HOMOPHOBIC BTW. THERE'S NO MOMENT IN HISTORY WHERE M/F RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN DENIED. Y'ALL JUST REALLY WANT TO BE OPPRESSED.
#GenshinImpact
#Kinich
#GenshinNatlan
"This servant of mine is no fool, and nimble too, as far as servants go. His biggest fault is that, no matter how hard you try, you simply can't get rid of him! I mean it โ he literally will not die! Have you ever heard of someone falling
I'm gonna say it.
I HATE the new pyro archon leak. this is so fcked and offensive. ofc an indigenous land should have a colonizer archon, hoyo is allergic to minority groups. if this leak turns out to be real hoyo better stop using real life cultures as their inspo.
regarding "aventurine called topaz beautiful." feel free to use this post when people use this argument to spread misinfo. these are dms from 2 Chinese speaking people.
// one more rambling
my students have twitter. they can see my posts and they'll easily recognize me just by my name. and one of them admitted they would create an acc so they could stalk me. they're lifeless 14-18 y.os. if you read this, GO STUDY OR ELSE YOU'LL FAIL MY SUBJECT.
yk rroma people have zero positive representation and if we ignored all the rep we got, we would be left with nothing. while aventurine's portrayal is bad, romani people still accepted him and loved him. we can point out hyv's mistakes but we do NOT erase his rroma identity.
this weirdo is racist. the posts I saw about them not listening to rroma and constantly calling aventurine white and shitting on his rroma references, also now this insensitive native boothill discourse. unfortunately bipocs can be racist and this person is one.
@antonio19xy
yes. a french baguette twink being darker than gulf arab man inspired by irl person does matter. many of you are just colorist and racist who think media should be filled with paleskinned people. and you'd probably cry if you saw an european historical figure inspo being brown.
as a teacher, I ask you to stop doing this. I'm not sure why students are stalking their teachers, trying to find their accs and posting them online. this happened to me too and it's not funny. this can lead teachers to get humiliated. perceive us as humans with equal rights as u
aven/paz shippers being racist towards rromas and homophobic towards gay men at the same time isn't surprising. 4 roma people pointing out that you're wrong but you saying "nah dm me or I won't listen. you only want likes" is racist and I hope y'all know it ๐
why are y'all giving this person so much attention after they constantly ignored rroma (most likely even has us muted since all my and minnie's replies got ignored), denied sunday's racism towards aventurine and so on. y'all give racists much attention and that's what they want.
hoyoverse when they make one "dark skinned" character: oh let's give them trash kit so that they won't get popular. paperwhite is better
you can never make me hate cyno and dehya. I have them both. I'm proudly using them. I love people with melanin. we're beautiful.
people say bs like "we only care about those romas who got offended by ratio's words" but then you manage to adore sunday and sntrn even tho we said that he was racist. and MANY of you blocked me after I said that ratio isn't racist and he cares about aventurine. BE FOR REAL.
reminder to sign petitions, send feedback regarding the issue. there might still be a chance. even if you may not be from genshin twitter / don't play the game you can still help us and sign the petition
this is the biggest piece of aventurine gay coding cus any man attracted to women would immediately fold if himeko spoke to them like that. instead he chooses to sass her
if you're not romani you don't get to say that the character is white (skin color โ race), romanis aren't white. and comics directly said that she's dark skinned. romani people including myself expressed their disappointment about the actress. maybe listen to us at least once.
"Brownwashing/blackwashing is just as bad as whitewashing"
There are people that think Wanda Maximoff is supposed to be a white woman, and are completely unaware that she was intended to be a brown Romani Woman.
Meanwhile "Black Ariel" will always be...Black Ariel
you people are unbearable. peacocks are NOT romani culture. stop coming up with nonsense, and his peacock symbolizes his flamboyancy and homosexuality idc. I'm muting this person. "he could be bi, you don't know what bi is" then bi characters can be closeted gay and lesbian. wth
most of u have zero reading comprehension and it's a fact. either this or u don't want to admit you're wrong. you don't want to admit that you're speaking up for the minority group which can't even speak up for every rom, only for the people who claim them (clans). ss aren't mine
- Boothill does not celebrate the existence of his tribe, he's a literal shell of a victim of colonization. He has no symbols, nor outfit references to real life Native Americans.
- like aventurine, he is whitewashed.
- like aventurine, his cultural origins are NOT made obvious
don't ignore this???? I'm seeing many people spreading misinfo and saying that it's a maya reference when in reality it's not just the mayan thing. it erases other mesoamerican/mexican cultures and leaves the impression that xicalcoliuhqui only belongs to certain culture.
EVERYONE PLEASE PLEASE NOTE THAT XICALCOLIUHQUI IS NOT JUST MAYAN. IT'S MESOAMERICAN MEXICAN THING. ALSO PART OF ZAPOTEC CULTURE! please please stop spreading misinfo. as I said before it can also be a zapotec reference on kรญn'ich. this is not necessarily strictly the mayan thing
ppl would rather have ave dead (which pretty much would happen if not them acting) than ratio insulting sigonia's education system. it's really concerning these people failed to read the "ACT" part. people underestimate sunday a lot.
look at aventurine being sad after ratio left
"they're not direct references"
sigonia โ> the word built on a roma slur, sounds very similar to it. direct reference
mention of kakava day โ> irl word for turkish roma festival. direct reference
"sigonians are liars..." โ> direct reference to romanis (g slur/c slurs) are liars.
@minniehoney45
@forestiens
Yep theyre fictional races, and youre free to feel represented.
But I still stand for the fact that theyre not direct references or basis. They are fiction countries. Not everything is an attack to you ๐
romas have every right to be offended by what ratio said but it still doesn't make ratio as a character racist. READ THE LORE. they trust each other. they care. READ THE CHINESE VERSION TOO. english always makes ratio sound harsher.
again, screenshots aren't mine.
people constantly ignoring 10 paragraphs long analysis about why aventurine is implied gay/gay coded just because they hate gay men existing. why are y'all saying the same thing about EVERY implied gay man unless homophobia. yeah we gays don't need any rep. it's all bi, we're bi.
one roma person cannot speak for all roma people because we are NOT homogenous. I, calรฉ romani, cannot speak for ashkali or greek roma for example because we are different. we still have some differences. we have different cultural lifestyle and dialects.
"genshin characters surely affect people irl, suuuure" yeah it affects reality. every time people draw characters with proper skin color we get called slurs, people are racist towards us and even worse MY FRIEND GOT DOXXED OVER A GAME. it affects reality you admit it or not.
@forestiens
Oh sure, genshin characters surely affect people irl, suuuure. It's funny that y'all complain so much about the game but for some odd reason cant stop playing it, if it was a real issue likenyall yap about then you affected people would just leave and uninstall the damn game.
anyway, the word sigonia is created from roma slurs so I don't think people should be using it when talking about irl romas. I'd be offended cuz knowing it has some relations to c slur makes me uncomfortable. using it ingame is valid as long as it's not confirmed to be a slur imo
what a bad day to be a geologist and botany enjoyer. I will be adoring emilie's design because of how nature themed she is, lily pad, but people will hate on her and say colors don't make sense. colors make perfect sense to me. it's (mid)night themed lily pad
us romen people have already debunked peacocks in romani culture several times but people never listen. those two people who made a post about it, spreading misinfo and made ppl ask "who should we listen to? we're gonna be neutral" I hope they're ashamed of themselves.
and again, no, you don't care about romas. if you cared, you wouldn't say "I'm racist ratio/rat urine hater and I'm proud." you just want to look cool. nobody's gonna give you grammy for being a hater.
I think it's safe to say that we have all had enough of the erasure of our cultures and identities. Today I introduce you all to Boycott Hoyoverse. We will be an account sharing how you can boycott. Spread the word! Anything helps.
#Natlan
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you only care about us when you want to cancel smth. we see through your bs. and that's not the support rromas need. if u can't be a proper roma-activist, get a real job and don't be racist and don't speak for the groups you don't belong to. nobody's asking you to be activist btw
I was often made fun of and I was often mocked, they were doing "indian impersonating" screaming "WAWAWA" and similar things at me to show I was part of some "prehistoric era." they saw me not as human but animal. often calling me ugly and looking at me with "ew savage" face.
people in qrts be like "it's not that serious" but then the same people spread "ratio is racist" bs over and over again. nobody's telling you to love the character or ship rtrn/avntio. it's about people who constantly spread misinfo.
Aventurine Beloved King GOAT best boy dear gambler
You cant call yourself an Aventurine fan or claim to care about his character at all if you hate Dr Veritas Ratio
Im not joking at all. Your gonna say you love Aventurine but hate the man that Aventurine trusts and feels happy to be around? Who he trusted with his past and plan?
because hyv takes inspiration from actual cultures and events and only those who have knowledge on them and are professionals can make great analysis. I'm not saying that teens and young adults can't be correct btw. I just wanna see more lore analysis from adults
@himejoshisam
literally. that's entirely on hyv and most likely IPC (?), there's a theory that IPC named it sigonia out of their racism towards avgins and others
the amount of happiness I feel when I see brown aventurine is sooo... ah words cannot describe how happy I get. I'm obsessing and simping and I'm screaming in my head cuz that man is gorgeous. that's how I imagine my aventurine. justice for my man kakavasha
that's why we never listen to people who think brown skin = black. also the fact that you erase kinich's other cultures and ethnic inspos makes me want to catch you and slap you 1M times. he's lighter than me in this edit oh yall would call my skin tone ultra black I just know it
Like, making Kinich black when he is Maya. He definitely should have a darker skin tone than the official model, but from what I've seen it's more like brown or a tan. Something like this:
@AraYuannn
they're talking about the word "sigonian" which is a slur irl but in-game it's the name of aventurine's planet. he didn't call him a slur. he mentioned the name of his planet and talked about how aventurine is just a slave for IPC. afawk it's a slur irl but not in game jeez
aventurine not being brown skinned in canon is a missed opportunity and the fact that we don't have brown skinned rroma rep is also really bad. kids like my niece (rroma-zapotec and georgian) have zero representation. there's no brown rroma character or any georgian character
I've never enjoyed m/f ships. I'm sorry y'all are default and too boring. we need something new, not the same old "ohhh romeo I'll be your juliet ohh". we need "romeo, my name's julian and I'll spank your ahh." thank you.
now you're blaming ME for "switching sides" and "attacking you", acting like a victim. yes they used slur, yes they whitewashed him, yes he's a bad portrayal but what gives u the right to speak over us or call over reps "not obvious & WHITE." even if they're bad they're NOT white
@forestiens
@ipcfan
???? im not even gonna question why you flipped the switch so fast. IDC about likes or views and god knows you dont care about black people here make that IPOC with how willing you were to attack somebody who believed you were right.
hence why they would call me a beggar, thief, uncivilized, street dancer, fortune teller and so on. even now, I get called slave, thief and slurs bcz I want aventurine to be brown. I don't remember having any positive representation in any media. I believed I was ugly for 19 yrs.
staying quiet will make them and many other companies more brave to use our cultures for sales while not giving us any melanin and constantly whitewashing us. they're gonna say "bipoc will quit but it's not gonna affect us anyway." white ppl and Chinese players willcarry the game
which led me to saying "I'm mexican" instead of zapotec. but people still made comments on my skin, called me c slur and many other things. every single representation of my people have always been associated with me and people always thought I was 1:1 those characters.
if you're gonna whitewash us and make our people paper white don't take our cultures and important figures as "aesthetic and some fictional stories" to gain profit. bipoc cultures are good for racists as long as they get benefit. that's called stealing and cultural appropriation.
making things clear. this person is mad at noomf for not deleting the post where noomf called sunday eugenics supporter. MEANWHILE, this is the same person who won't delete the harmful thread (for rromas) about aventurine's gay coding. I will explain why that thread is harmful.
my therapist is either racist or it's me overthinking.
so basically today I was wearing braids and ribbons, kurta and dhoti and she was like "get a haircut, change your style and find better clothes. it will help relieve your stress" uh ????? what does this mean
I'm gonna be that person and say another rroma here, you're fetishizing slavery, potentially sexual abuse as well and you're racist. he's based on my people's struggles. our history with slavery is not an aesthetic nor is it something you can fetishize. seek therapy.
bipoc people are not obligated to stay quiet and "just drop it" when our cultures are used for aesthetic purposes, to gain profit. this is harmful and says a lot about people who "just give up." I will keep talking about it. I will keep pointing out the obvious colorism.
there's no such thing as "100% rroma but looks white." my 100% relatives are all brown and you'd say they look indian. and if you're using this argument against me (a mixed brown rroma) I'm gonna assume you're one of those nazi people with imaginary fake rroma friend. racists smh
I'm noticing less activism and boycotting dying day by day. I also see many people planning to pull the pyro archon. even many racist and poc saying "skin color doesn't matter" - the same people who cried over ariel, rapunzel and annabeth chase not being white btw.
not to mention CHINESE PLAYERS, yes those who many racists use as an excuse "they don't want dark characters", are starting petitions to get characters with melanin. who are you even to judge us and silence our voices because your white ahh can't stand diversity.
right under this tweet I want to say thank you to
@camdensutkowski
because his voice acting skills are so good that people were literally fooled by ratiorine "racist" play, and they still falsely believe that ratio hates ave. my fav VA!!
aventio nation rise ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐โธ๏ธ๐
wuwa fandom is already bad. it's the same old "inspo = representation and skin color" again. ah yes let's take inspo from bipoc cultures but don't represent their diversity in any media. white is better no? y'all have zero media literacy and don't understand it affects real life.
"eastern european rroma are pale and blonde" since when??? just because some are doesn't mean all are. have you seen ukrainian rromas? many are brown. you're spreading misinfo just because you don't want brown rroma claiming aventurine. people are so colorist and racist wtf.