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We now have the new medians for 94 law schools, linked below. uGPA very much up for most. For LSAT, 28/94 are up, 58/94 flat, 8/94 down.

2022 vs. 2023 Law School Median and Class Size Tracker

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2 years

BREAKING: the ABA is officially recommending the elimination of the standardized test requirement for admission to law school

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Look what someone put in a Little Lending Library 🤣

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@LindseyGrahamSC @foxandfriends Will you be screaming or speaking?

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Tucker Carlson. & then also @TuckerCarlson #TuckerCarlsonIsARacist

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Some early prep for the new logic games section

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The top 10 USNWR #lawschool 's are: 1. Yale 2. Stanford 3. Harvard 4. Chicago 5. Columbia 6. NYU 7. Penn 8. UVa 9. Michigan 10. Northwestern 10. Duke 10. Berkeley

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Live for your eulogy, not your resume. No one will care if you are remembered as a "darn good lawyer" - but you will touch a tremendous number of lives as a darn good person.

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I wanted to thank everyone who offered to help the courageous young woman we have been working with in Kyiv, Ukraine & let everyone know she was just admitted to @NorthwesternLaw w/ a full-tuition scholarship for their LLM program! There really are no words for how grateful I am.

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‼️Ten years ago, 9 of the top 14 law schools had LSAT medians in the 160s, and 8 had GPA medians under 3.8. Currently, zero T14 schools have medians lower than 170 or 3.8. The lowest T14 GPA median in 2014 (3.68) has now been surpassed by every law school in the top 50.

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Our firm just turned 9. We started with 1 person, no brand & just 38k revenue in our first year. We hired amazingly talented & caring people, never once spent a penny on advertising and are now 35 strong working to make a difference every single day, as if it were still day one.

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2 years

Breaking admissions data. Final October LSAT: 19,140 test takers, 15% drop from last year. First time takers way down, only 43.1% of takers. June-October first time takers down 7.5%. All great news for applicants.

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2 years

Breaking News. Georgetown University Law Center has pulled out of the US News Rankings. More are coming.

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6 years

@SirPatStew We lost our beloved dog BearBear yesterday to cancer. Thanks for the reminder that rainbows still abound

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4 years

The claim that the LSAT does " a good job of predicting who will do well in law school" is false. The LSAT does an underwhelming job .16 to .54 depending on the school, of predicting just 1L GPA, median of .36. This study also comes from LSAC, the entity who puts out the LSAT.

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4 years

13) Georgetown uses LSATs in admissions for a reason: they do a good job of predicting who will do well in law school. What do you expect will happen if you mix students with LSATs in the 150s with students with LSATs a standard deviation higher?

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4 years

Imagine being admitted to a school this incredibly intense cycle and excited to attend, then getting an email yesterday morning saying "we are 80% full from seat deposits" then getting another email later in the day "we are full" and sorry in so many words. Because that happened.

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1 year

Scheduling for the LSAT is now a logic games section

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3 years

Remeber digging through all those correlation studies predicting SCOTUS success with LSAT scores? Oh wait, there is no correlation. Plus no one has ever asked for that before, I wonder why @TuckerCarlson is now, this one time? 🤨

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4 years

This is the most competitive law school admissions cycle I’ve seen in 20+ years. How competitive? You could fill every single seat at the T50 with a 165+ scorer right now. Here’s a chart — note our numbers are updated daily but different than LSAC for retake tracking reasons

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2 years

Breaking (for real). Stanford Law drops US News rankings. More to come.

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2 years

@Theholisticpsyc Well said, thank you. Here’s something I think everyone should read —because I think everyone has had trauma and it’s never your fault

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4 years

It should be noted that the grotesquely skewed LSAT score distribution at the top won’t just impact this cycle. We project as much as 15% of 170+ scorers may reapply. + many more who now feel like they have to sit out a year. It’s a two year heart-wrenching problem

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2 years

Breaking news. This will have HUGE impacts on the law school rankings, especially because of the expenditures metric, which Yale has historically dominated by a wide margin. It will be interesting to see if other schools follow.

WSJ News Exclusive | Yale and Harvard Law Schools Abandon U.S. News Rankings

The schools, which for decades have dominated the U.S. News & World Report law-school ranking, are pulling out of it.

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2 years

I'd add this is the worst year to make a matriculation decision based on rankings changes (all years are bad) Not a single hiring decision will be impacted by the new rankings, nor are law schools "better" or "worse" because of new methodology. It's all just interestingly stupid

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2 years

Breaking admissions news (always a bit weird to write)! Starting August 2023 test takers will have the choice to take the LSAT remotely or proctored live at a test center. I like it!

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4 years

This cycle is insane

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6 years

Full law school rankings are here.

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2 years

Breaking News. Berkeley Law is now opting out of US News Rankings (and schools more to come).

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4 years

Something to never lose sight of. No school has ever denied someone as an individual or applicant. They only deny an application — a smidgeon of who you are at most.

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4 years

For everyone wondering when will be early/normal/late this admission cycle for submission of applications — here you go!

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2 years

Breaking News. Harvard Law is pulling out of USNWR rankings as of today too.

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3 years

I just received a beautiful email from one of our clients we worked with Pro Bono who has essentially a full scholarship to incredibly well-regarded law school. He grew up in a rough part of an inner city and will be a 1L on a beautiful campus this Fall. What a happy day.

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2 years

November 2022 LSAT takers down by 12%, first time test takers down by 14% compared to 2021. Good news for applicants.

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4 years

News! @DaveKilloran & I will be doing a joint podcast - he will ask me admissions questions, I will ask him LSAT. We will post online next week, & some of the questions will be geared towards things that have never been answered before. Feel free to ask questions you want here!

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4 years

/1 Looks like USNWR has changed their methodology for the first time in years: 5% of rankings will now be determined by debt for law school graduates (average, and percent with debt). Reduced weight of selectivity to 21% and faculty resources to 14%.

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3 years

University of Texas School of Law entering class size last year: 295 This year: 419

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4 years

January LSAT starts today -looks like are about 29k signed up, a 60% increase from last year. Remains to be seen how many first time takers, but should fuel a solid jump in applicants come early February when scores release.

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3 years

Looks like USNWR published earlier earlier than expected. Here's the new law school rankings.

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1 year

Will be extremely interesting what happens to LSAT scores as LG is generally the most learnable section

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1 year

BREAKING: Starting with the August 2024 LSAT, the Logic Games (Analytical Reasoning) section will be eliminated from the LSAT! It will be replaced with a second scored Logical Reasoning section. Scoring stays the same. More to come soon.

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3 years

It would appear that there is going to be a shakeup at the very top of the USNWR rankings. I can't say more but we are looking into methodological changes that we expected were coming, and will likely blog about methodology.

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I called, this is legitimate and possibly the greatest thing ever. For anyone who needs a happy pep talk today, I hope this projects takes off and huge hat tip to these awesome kids.

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3 years

The Nov. LSAT reported scores do not indicate a scoring bubble at the top bandwidths compared to last year.

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2 years

Something I’ve seen from 24 years in legal ed is an assumption that people at higher ranked schools must be categorically better at their jobs than those at lower ranked. People are people utterly unrelated to ranking — many of the best I have seen weren’t at top ranked schools.

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3 years

Applicants are down 7.6% from last cycle & every single LSAT bandwidth is down. At this point last year 63% of applications had been submitted and I bet we are slightly higher than that this year. I have a podcast on this cycle's data and where we are heading coming this week.

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4 years

Breaking. Berkeley Law will be 100% remote this Fall, becoming the second law school (Harvard) to do so.

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2 years

It’s out! Someone sent me this I don’t even have a copy yet 😂. @DaveKilloran @PowerScore @annahicksjaco @barbri

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3 years

The March LSAT would appear that it is going to be the smallest in history.

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2 years

Breaking news, we have data! Applicants so fa down 13.6%. Applicants 165+ LSAT down 26% compared to last year. BUT, these numbers will change - last year was incredibly front-loaded b/c of reapplicants. This is good news for applicants but possibly not quite as great as it looks.

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3 years

After this cycle where LSAC has miscommunicated time & again the applicant data, scaling & its implications, if I’m a law school I’m now questioning what value LSAC provides. This cycle could have been much less chaotic for schools and applicants if LSAC focused less on messaging

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4 years

1L: they scare you to death 2L: they work you to death 3L:they bore you to death Graduated L: they force you to take the bar exam in person in the middle of a global pandemic, to death #barapocalypse

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2 years

New data! August LSAT scores come out today. 17,297 took the test, 30% decline from last August. First time % also down, 61.5% vs. 64%. June+August test takers down 31% compared to last year, down 32% compared to two years ago. Sept. may make most/all of that up, but good news!

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4 years

You could fill every seat at the top 111 law schools with a 160+ applicant this cycle

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2 years

Here’s the cover! This is coming soon — hundreds of pages of pure law school admissions insight! @PowerScore @DaveKilloran

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2 years

US News is now delaying the public release of the rankings from the 18th to the 25th — which very possibly means they are changing the rankings they just sent to law schools (and also the period mark should inside the quote) 🤦🏻‍♂️

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2 years

For the law schools opting to stay in the rankings and submit unaudited self reported data I’d simply say: “then why not publish that very data on your website too versus only give to US News?” Make it free and public to all.

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5 years

We are developing a tool where anyone can create their own #lawschool rankings based on what matters to them, versus what is dictated to them. It should be done by August 1, free for anyone to use.

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2 years

Breaking. Test-optional vote did not pass ABA House of Delegates. Still TBD as it now goes back to Legal Ed Council.

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3 years

The LSAT is a moderately good predictor of first-year law school performance, although it varies year to year/school to school.Even LSAT + uGPA can’t test for motivation, maturity,etc. Know what the best predictor of law school performance is? Yep, actual law school performance!

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4 years

This cycle is one for the ages. Now just waiting for Princeton Law School to enroll an entering class of 60,000 to see what happens next.

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3 years

As of today, for the first time in ten years there are more than 70,000 applicants to law school

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1 year

Not sure how the LSAT is even a standardized test if the virtual cohort keeps crashing and the in person test is sound. How do you even compare the two different groups now in the admissions process?

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3 years

New rule: Schools shouldn’t send out admissions decisions April 1

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3 years

There were 25% fewer January LSAT takers than 2021, and only 36.8% were first time, which is the lowest I believe we have ever seen

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3 years

For the first time this cycle and extending back to the entirety of last cycle, applicants 170-174 and 175-180 are now down versus the previous year.

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3 years

There's a number of law schools who, not surprisingly this cycle, are well above their seat deposit goals right now -- dramatically so in at least one case. So someone put up this picture and it seems pretty apt.

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2 years

We are tracking new law school median LSAT and uGPA as they slowly but steadily populate here:

2022 vs. 2021 Law School Median and Class Size Tracker

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2 years

Less than 2% of all applicants are above every law school's medians. Put in other words, more than 98% of applicants split medians or are below both - and the vast majority are admitted to school(s). Numbers matter, but by definition, it is not all about numbers

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4 years

With the new ranking metric we believe there's going to be a new T14. To fine-point something we have strongly said for years, one year movement in the rankings should not factor into matriculation decisions. Fit > any ranking movement

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1 year

Breaking. Applicant volume is down about 7% compared to this time last year. Also down in all score bands, including pesky highest scoring bands that have stayed elevated post COVID. But still super early, like 10-12% of final volume in as of now.

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3 years

As of Thursday there has been a 5.4% decline in total applicants. Applicants are down in most score bands, especially the highest scoring bands (though they started off inflated). Also worth noting a 20% decline in January LSAT registrants suggests this is unlikely to reverse

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6 years

More rankings: 13. Cornell 14. GULC 15. UCLA 16. Texas 17. USC 18. Wash U/Vandy 20. Minn

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2 years

US News rankings update 🤦🏻‍♂️…We take our job seriously while also taking a pubescent shot at those schools that boycotted us and also we don’t take our deadlines seriously but yes we are journalists.

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2 years

US News CEO went on a FOX show today: "we believe outcomes are critical." Until this boycott, job outcomes counted for less than LSAT/GPA. Every time US News talks it's clear they don't have a understanding of their own methodology or any ability to justify its factors & weights.

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3 years

The ABA released the national law school employment numbers today for the class of 2021. Full-time long term, JD required/advantaged improved by 5.6%. Unemployment/seeking declined by 3%. Good news. Reflects stronger market and hope it holds.

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4 years

Reading 20 pages per day is 30 books per year. Saving $20 a day is $7,300 a year. Running 3 miles a day is 1,095 in a year. Small habits create big changes.

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3 years

I love this guy whoever he is — go through life like this 👊

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3 years

Some happy personal news. I just officially secured two book deals — both due July 2022. One on admissions, the other decision-making (the only two topics I know anything about). To celebrate I’m going to buy two copies of @PeterAttiaMD forthcoming book & gift one on Twitter.

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If true (or the other allegation) I really hope LSAC investigates, open up a way for others to lodge similar interactions, drops Prometric & cleans house to train proctors to not interfere w/test-takers including hitting on them. I can’t believe I have to type this it’s insane.

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4 years

We are about 90% of the way to LSAT scores 170 + of the last TWO cycles combined. @DaveKilloran and I will discuss on a podcast why we do not think this trend in an abundance of super high scorers will continue next cycle -- there are several rational reasons they might not

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2 years

Probably the only thing US News could have done to lose their rankings dominance is to have changed the rankings in response to pressure from schools once the schools saw the rankings.

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6 years

Each and every single #lawschool has its own uniqueness, which has nothing to do with a ranking system that can’t possibly weigh what matters to you. Rankings are arbitrary and change. Your values do not.Start with your value system and deeply explore as many schools as possible

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3 years

Rankings are both stupid & interesting, & I struggle with that oxymoron @ times. We’ve modeled the entire rankings — no one but USNWR has the full data but we have an algorithm that at least in the past has been highly predictive of the unknowns. We’ll put the top 25 up this week

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4 years

Law clerks of #RuthBaderGinsburg gathered to meet her casket at steps of the Supreme Court. The amount care in this picture is almost unimaginable and beautiful to me

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“Being the dean of a law school is like being the leader of a besieged castle — everyone on the outside wants in and everyone on the inside wants out” — A wise former dean (I can’t remember who) told me that when I was in my 20s and it stuck.

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3 years

Right now law school applications are 2% up from last cycle — but that # has been dropping pretty rapidly — good news (among others) for applicants. We are going to analyze all of the available cycle data with some speculation as to cycle implications this week. More soon!

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5 years

We are alpha testing our "My Rank" software, so that you can weight what matters to you and create your own individualized #lawschool rankings -- using much of the same data (and more) current rankings use. Here are two shots, this should be live early August for anyone to use.

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Soooo, the #LSAT Flex accurately predicts the LSAT, which (combined with GPA) accurately predicts first year success, which accurately predicts class rank, which accurately predicts where you will be hired. Why do we have #lawschool again? 🤔🤣🤣

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5 years

Well done @VanderbiltU

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3 years

In late July-ish we will be doing a detailed podcast with @DaveKilloran predicting the upcoming admission cycle. A large # of people have reached out re: reapplying next year v. going to law school now. If possible please listen to this podcast so we help color in some thoughts!

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3 years

I'm excited to announce we have added Sam Kwak to our team! Sam has previously been LSAC's Data Storyteller, Manager for Legal Ed & Assessment at The ABA, & has worked in admissions at Northwestern, Stanford, and Indiana Law Schools after graduating from Duke Law. Welcome Sam!

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3 years

This time last year, 70% of law school applications had been submitted. We should be a bit higher than that this cycle. 94 schools show application increase, 101 decrease, 4 no change. I speculate we will see a lot of +0 median LSAT and more -1 than +1 when all is said and done.

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1 year

Breaking. #SCOTUS holds that Harvard and UNC’s admissions programs violate the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

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2 years

My thoughts are with everyone @LSAC_Official today. One of the best people I know works there, and she is on my mind right now, along with everyone else. I imagine and hope those impacted get time to be with family and know the entire law school community offers support.

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As of 1/31 applicants are down 6.2% from last cycle, up 12.6% from two cycles ago. It's a difficult cycle but it isn't last cycle. It is slower than last cycle, though, in terms of decisions rendered. We'll know more tomorrow with the LSAT score release.

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4 years

Breaking major #LSAT news- the August exam will be online Flex. Good call! Even bigger, LSAC is adding a score preview option! First time takers can purchase score and decide if they want to cancel or not. Major major change!

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3 years

Today's LSAT administration will be the second smallest ever, preceded only by June 2020.

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2 years

As of 10/9 applicants are ⬇️ 13,6% v. last year, applications ⬇️ 19.7%. 53 school have an application increase, 143 decrease, 1 no change. It’s early but as we have said all summer, we see many indications the pendulum is swinging back toward less of a high score & app bubble.

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1 year

US News just posted the embargoed rankings. Will be public Thursday.

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3 years

So many law schools, b-schools etc. have a professionalism day/week/course. All good. Why not also a mental health course? The stresses students are under today are unlike any other before.

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Just my take but if I were a Dean of a law school I wouldn’t celebrate rankings gains or announce reasons and steps for rankings losses. No school magically got “better” or “worse” overnight so I’d just not comment — which many have.

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