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God in Zoroastrianism actually regrets creating women and claims he only did so because there was no other way to porcreate. He also refers to them as a vicious race.
This doesn’t strike one as being very dignifying of women.
Zoroastrianism has long upheld the dignity of women and men.
This is evident in the Avesta, where gender parity is stressed through language. For instance, phrases like "a man or a woman" and "of men and women" appear multiple times in the Yasna Haptaŋhāiti and the Gāθās. Women
This is true, but it goes even further than this. Middle Persian Zoroastrian texts not only encourage veiling but even prohibit makeup and assert that women who use it are cast into hell.
You are correct on the assertion that they are not called vicious in the Zoroastrian text of Bundahishn; we misread.
The Bundahishn, however, does assert that women are the progeny of demons. Which, in our view, is not much better; rather, this is an even less dignified
@SonsOfSalman
Bruh, you cant be serious right? This is not even a matter of mistranslation, it's literally saying "whose antagonist is of vicious race"
Do you perhaps not know what antagonist even means, perhaps you dont even know english properly?
A Poem On The Martyrdom Of Omar
“The first day of Muharram, which is now passing us by, is the day that the just king Umar met with his Lord. For he drank from the sweet cup of martyrdom that morning and justice he (Omar) embodied with all is what the prophet (pbuh) said”
@siiauuarshan
Flabbergasted sounds about right. I would be too when asserting the supposed dignification of women in a religion that deems them a vicious race and one in which they would not exist if the god of said religion could create procreation independent of them.
The narration you cited from Tabari is separated by over 70 years. Ibn Zayd passed away around 670, while Ibn Wahb, from whom it is narrated, was born around 740.
Additionally, the verse you referenced does not even say anything about menstruation being an illness or an
Firstly, "even if we accept the fact..."
Implying the Jewish stories are false,
When this "supposedly" Jewish story is what literally checks out with Quran, Surah 2:222,where allah states "menstruation is an illness requiring purification", NOT a "natural bodily function".
Tabari citing what is most likely israiliyat (Jewish and Christian stories) doesn’t equate to something being an authoritative belief in our religion. Also, there is no mention of this in the Quran, as you have implied.
Furthermore, even if we concede that this story is
"natural bodily function" lol sure.
Your comments are not in line with your own religion ibn khaen, your allah cursed women to suffer for eternity, and in zoroastrianism this is a damage done by aggression of the antagonist of ohrmazd, ahriman, allah has always been ahriman
A woman was unable to marry without the consent of the patriarch (father /brother etc) or choose someone of her liking without his consent. And had to kneel for their husbands three times a day.
The “primordial punishment” based on a narration in tabari disconnected by almost a century and your idiotic interpolations unto the Quranic text.
The rest of this drivel is just his understanding, or lack thereof, of predestination and free will in Islam.
Now, thirdly, onto how the "situationally accepted" islamic position by OP, proves islamic god to be a fraud.
Islam posits "everything" that must happen is allah's Will,hence, the primordial punishment meted out at Eve for her deed was by definition NOT her own Will but allah's.
You are correct on the assertion that they are not called vicious in the Zoroastrian text of Bundahishn; we misread.
The Bundahishn, however, does assert that women are the progeny of demons. Which, in our view, is not much better; rather, this is an even less dignified
When time permits, we will delve into this topic in more depth and analyze the Middle Persian texts and what the Avesta itself says regarding women and their role in society.
@siiauuarshan
Yes, we are aware. The difference is that unlike the Neo-Zoroastrianism, with their bastardization and hippiefication of their religion, we actually don’t assert that Islam gives parity to women. We affirm that it has patriarchal systems in place.
But Islam, however, doesn’t
@siiauuarshan
We wouldn’t have clarified the post if we were seeking to deceive. We actually welcome you and others to correct us on any errors we may have made. We are open to this.
@ibnansari0
It says
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It’s talking about the prophet ﷺ
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@dalaygiz
The alternative reading isn’t a much more favourable option either.
If we concede that creation by Ahriman and Jeh is not implied and that it’s just merely the menses that was created by Jeh and ultimately Ahriman himself when he kissed her, the least one can say regarding this