I adore Barba, but I hated that he psychoanalyzes Liv here and tries to attribute her affinity for Elliot to dad issues. It's just so dismissive - especially when he has never truly seen their relationship up close.
We did this same shit to Britney Spears 20 years ago and it's so fucking stupid.
Women are allowed to be sexual! Stop infantilizing them. If you have a problem with it, keep your snotty-nosed kids at home.
The 'Explicit' album label should've been warning enough.
It's 3 a.m. and I'm here, thinking about a young ponytailed Olivia Benson sitting on the floor of the home she lived in w/ her alcoholic mother
She was mostly friendless, kept to herself because she didn't want anyone to know about Serena.
How lonely she must've felt, isolated
@1capplegate
that "other shit is nothing compared to mortality" meaning...rape?
grief is complicated and we can make space for both survivors *and* Kobe's family and the people/public who idolized and loved him
there is space for everyone
Additionally, Logan Echolls did not exist JUST to serve
#VeronicaMars
. He was a major player, the most complex I would argue, who meant a lot to a large portion of the fanbase.
Iโve been waiting for Rob Thomas to speak out after that
@veronicamars
ending before I spoke about it, and now that he has, I have a lot I want to say (and then hopefully Iโll be done ).
Spoilers for Season 4 abound in this thread.
But on a final note, Iโll say that I find it ironic that Rob Thomas had no problem making such a bold move, but has unplugged from social media so he doesnโt have to deal with the backlash. Really, Rob?
Some people might say you're a marshmallow.
people out here defending Kathy Stabler with their whole chests when she knew all the way back in season 8 that he didn't want to come home but made him anyway
Like have some self-respect bestie, your man doesn't love you
(I know she was pregnant, I don't care, my point stands)
He showed the most growth and reflected what it means to be a person with a lot of trauma trying to make their life better with therapy. I can relate to him more so than I can any other character on the show. Heโs REAL.
Thomas has argued that a continued Logan/Veronica relationship would be โperfectโ & โboringโ but in actuality, it was pushing Veronica to grow, to change. Now sheโsโฆthe same Veronica? No character growth in 15 years is supposed to be compelling television? Sorry, not buying it.
whenever someone tells me that Olivia deserves better than Elliot and I am unable to defend him in that moment, I just say -
"Olivia deserves the man that she loves more than anything โ and that man is Elliot."
@veronicamars
The reasons Iโve heard Rob Thomas lay out for killing off Logan Echolls areโฆnot good. They reek of lazy writing and they fall back onto these old and tired ideas of what it means to tell a compelling story.
the worst moment in SVU last season was the 30 seconds between Olivia giving Eileen the compass and her phone call with Elliot
like I swear in that half minute my heart stopped and I swore I was done with the show
How do we reward this complex character actively working through his issues? Why, we kill him off! B/c this doesnโt make for โinterestingโ TV. To add insult to injury, Thomas denied fans a chance to mourn by skipping any grieving period because he โdidnโt want to explore that.โ
We fast-forward to โone year laterโ to a therapy scene thatโs supposed to be poignant and instead is cheap and contrived. Veronica drives off to fight another day, as traumatized as ever. Cool! Then this is where my journey with Veronica Mars ends.
I must've missed where it was one woman's duty to give up her paying job on a TV show and take responsibility for the failings of the entire NYPD.
There are valid points in here - including from my understanding things about JHF - and you buried them in misogyny.
New: Law & Order SVUโs Mariska Hargitay was named one of Glamourโs Women of the Year last month.
@megoconnor13
and I wrote about why SVU creates a false idea that cops care about rape at all. Five women whoโd reported rapes to the NYPD told us they agree.
remember when Liv was so happy to have a niece named Olivia and go to Sunday dinners with her family and then they took that away from her too?
because I don't think about it all the time ๐ญ
By killing Logan, you have now completely eliminated that catalyst for change. Youโve added an additional layer of trauma - that she still isnโt dealing with, despite that ONE therapy session (eye roll) - thatโs will likely see Veronica only be moreโฆVeronica.
@veronicamars
Thomas has said that keeping Veronica and Logan together would mean a happy ending for them, which is supposedly not compelling. This doesnโt make any sense to me.
@Kazekage0429
@MissBrittHayes
yeah, they can date whoever they want. doesn't mean we can't think it's gross AF when 80 percent of older men in Hollywood refuse to date women within their age range.
See: Dennis Quaid, Leonardo DiCaprio, George Clooney, Richard Gere, Johnny Galecki...
I think about how confused SVU viewers who watched it live in Season 1 must've been when they started watching Season 2 because these two go from "hmm having an affair what is personal space" vibes in season 1 to "we rarely talk and are v v professional" vibes literally overnight