@sapphicdeancas
@starswheeled
I have visceral reactions to plenty of things. What makes it fascism is not the totally natural psychological reaction of repellence. What makes it fascism is making it everyone else’s problem by harassing and through harassment trying to control the fandom cultural landscape
@michaelmannyaoi
Lestat must have felt like that was the closest he’d ever get to heaven his loves with all their attention and fondness directed at him
I think finding it weird and disturbing is fine, for it is a disturbing subject and it’s in yr hands to block it, but trying to create an environment where abuse can’t be portrayed, painted, written or spoken about is not okay. And that’s my opinion.
@glossberries
Aw. Those innocent and quaint times. They did not know the level of cuntetry would reach new heights and leave all others gasping in the dust
@LadzWriting
@BrendonZatirka
It’s because sex is almost unnecessary when virtually everything in those novels is a metaphor for sex. How to translate that in a visual medium? Leave the sex in.
@michaelmannyaoi
he never wanted to be a parent, and I think he was surprised at his own attachment and patience, but if Lestat is a liar, I think it stems from the lies he tells himself. besides, in vampire parlance, it was babies bringing up babies
It is clear that these people are imbuing the word Father with some special talismanic power, but all we are saying is that He Owed Her. He had Responsibility over her, she was Entitled to things from him which he failed to give to Her. He betrayed HER first.
claudia considers both louis and lestat her adoptive parents- even by the 1940s, she describes louis and lestat taking her in as an adoption to madeleine. "lestat is one of claudia's fathers" is a morally-neutral sentence centering claudia’s own perspective of their relationship
@fangirlingmess
His mind is unparalleled. His mind can serve c*nt, while his clothes serve really enthusiastic gay married kindergarten teacher. Probably sings with a guitar at circle time.
@urcannibalgf04
@snow_droplet
It’s understandable. Plenty of books of the era are sold only in second hand bookshops and never saw The NY Times bestseller list bc they had queer stuff in them. Like, I had to seriously search to find gay novels from the 70s and 80s that weren’t erotica stuff.
Akasha doesn’t believe in equity, she weaponizes r*pe, she is imperialistic, colonizing and genocid
@l
. She is also so unaware of her own superficiality and caprice, she thinks she has a platform other than “might is right.” A moral retrograde.
Like I think people see her as a cool sexy villainess who just wants to kill all men and don’t realise that the way she’s written in the book is as kind of a pathetic power-hungry hypocrite with no real beliefs, and no feminist beliefs or impulses that aren’t self-glorifying.
@femininomena
Agreed, because apparently the maters told Nicki that he had begun the violin too late and he wasn’t up to par, and yet the way Lestat would react always made me think that Nicki was a virtuoso
@undeaddyke
@ApolloTaken17
I would argue that they’re right, vampires are not known for their charitable donations. I‘ve always thought that was one of their deepest flaws, along with the mass murder.
@dlsintegrations
If the children thought the teaser was over the top and cringe, they better get their girdles nice and tight because this is going to be shambolic.
@dhampirdulac
I watched the two seasons again and when this happens I’m reminded of the dinner, where he pretends not to like art for his family because it reveals him as sensitive and vulnerable. With Armand he acquires a veneer of sophistication which replaces the enthusiasm he allowed
@YoungRai_
@paik_michael
@THEGENlUS
Fiction provides that in spades, without the often easy digestion of superficial self-improvement. A lot of self-help validates, instead of challenges. Even stuff that might feel like change, is changing the furniture around while staying in the same house.
Louis “defenders” disempowering Louis hours. Lord, build a fence around him and spare him from shallow, stultifying and infantilizing defenses like these 🙏🏻
@yamashitskaya
That’s actually a good point. I think that Lestat brings reform and Louis brings structure. Chaos is creation, but too much is deterioration, stability is vital, 2 much stability is death. But you’re right. He’s style, but also substance. Louis wouldn’t respect him, otherwise.
@MadEparvier
I think a lot of fans do engage with it, but, as weird as it sounds, I tend to keep things light on the actor front because otherwise it would feel like crossing boundaries. Engagement with dark themes is fine, but too much reading into actors can turn into projection imo
@mooneraze
@getawaybitch28
Because fiction is made to be deconstructed, you’re supposed to use your imagination to go beyond your moral constraints. Also, bc symbolism and figurative language exists and literalism leads to artistic stagnation
Nobody has to like Lestat and I still will, because like any rational being I prioritize my own taste and enjoyment of things above anyone else’s. I don’t have whatever generous gene is needed to like or dislike for another’s sake.
@raphaellaskies
Wow, when I started reading yr twt I immediately thought you were talking about hiv and then I saw “Louis.” Reminds me of something Nipsey Hussle said about “the life.” When you live the life, when you’re going for your so-called enemy,
@wavintheredflag
@CrissiAndCo
You’re missing the fact that you can allow yourself to both notice a series of qualities and yet reach beyond judgment to a deeper understanding. Fiction can move us beyond what we relate to, and what makes us feel safe and secure, to what will make us grow.
@flowerbrush
@azulgrl
I think all of Louis’s fears “became“ memories. In a very big way it was Lestat or Claudia and Armand made the figurative real, except that there’s a very big difference btw the metaphor of death and death
@angelsputinhell
@armandulac
they let the fact that they chose a pfp of a beautiful black woman go to their head and now they’re online LARPing discourse
@rewindbywg
yes, I agree, there‘s no such thing as an ethical billionaire, but that’s why he’s a vampire. Don’t you get it? People don’t think anymore, media literacy is dead, the vampire as an archetype of greed and overconsumption is —-
@shimmykokoflop
Not liking a white actor as a form of activism is really low hanging fruit. Talk about performative and virtue signaling, not to mention trivializing real antiracist efforts
@theoceanblooms
yep. this is what happens when a director think himself cleverer than his audience. 🤷🏻♂️ not cleverer about theater, which he should be, but cleverer about everything, which is the root of alienation. pretty soon he starts underestimating and losing heart.
@translenfent
Remembering Nicki and then punishing her to punish himself but dumbass, she is not an extension of you when you self-flagellate, she is a whole different person
@michellecyca
I very much loved her writing and learning of this makes me feel like I have to constantly look over my shoulder, because I thought I knew how people were, that I would be able to tell, and I don’t and I didn’t.
@femininomena
The whole Marius section, where he paints himself as Western Man tm gives me an anxious stomach. When he started with the allegations of what true innocence was, and blond nonpareils I was like wow this guy could be a missionary (derogatory)
@girlfr0m
@gaynarcan
@ofnadw
@uncanny_eli
the way Corinne has behaved, it’s almost like she’s gleeful about it, it’s very odd. does she feel glad it happens to brown, black and Asian c*s women too? I don’t get it
@afeverdreamhigh
How many queer books were on The NY Times during the 80’s? Anne, who talked about never identifying w her gender, wrote about a vast array of sexual, gender, identity themes at a time where there was such a Moral Panic people were losing their jobs and getting thrown into jail
@femininomena
Saw someone say he wasn’t, because he checked someone out, like self-hate somehow negates horniness. These people have never met a closeted gay republican
@femininomena
true. instead of being bitter, why not enjoy the reunion for the beauty, the wonder, the vulnerability, the pathos, the emotional support piano plank, the secret neck smelling, the crying, the allusions to soy side, the Hugh Hefner robe, the erectile dysfunction.
@leyawn
some would call it fanart because of how lovingly and carefully I’ve rendered it, paying attention to every minuscule detail, but I’m here to explain how much I hate it.
@Claudiamonpetit
A lot of people try to imitate his swagger, and they can be controversial and spew hot takes, but they’ve never been charming in their whole entire lives and never will be
@getawaybitch28
@mooneraze
It’s a very missionary/religious fundi way of looking at things. Bc characters they favor apparently say a lot about them, instead of applying their beliefs to themselves, they’ve decided to apply it to everyone else and those who don’t agree are morally inferior. Intolerance
Thinking of Louis hours, bc imitation is the highest form of flattery (that’s for Lestat) and how people have such a resistance to him having any flaws, beyond those of a Meg Ryan character in a romcom. Alas, he is not a clumsy devil, but graceful as hope, though not as feathered
Doomed by the intrinsic nature of the characters, the characterization and the circumstances that surrounded that. It’s like saying “if this wasn’t a shit sandwich it would be delicious.” Okay, chef.
@sporadicalia
@PicturesFoIder
This is why I tell my sisters not to be too polite. Some men love to misunderstand politeness, looks or even physical proximity as precursors to romance. Professional demeanor only/no smiles. Girls sometimes smile when they’re uncomfortable and some losers love to read into it.
I understand it being reactive for you, because you despise the ship (an ick) but unless you are made uncomfortable by every single one of Louis’ romantic encounters w his boyfriends (Armand & Lestat) because of the power imbalance, then I don’t see the validity of your argument.
@monosou_
I think some people would rather sit on an ant hill than give birth and they create a world where women are not solely pressured, while examining gender stereotypes with a safe amount of distance.
@Lara_ImaLot
you have to understand, it was another generation, ladies had to play a little foolish, teachable and hyperfeminine so that the gent would feel like he had something to offer and wake up his protective insticts 👀
@femininomena
lol exactly. His reaction to Nicki’s playing always sent Lestat into another orbit, there was no noticeable difference to when Nicki becomes a vampire, with preternatural abilities, except that Lestat finally understands that what he’s hearing is unutterable unending despair
@suesrichards
@theoceanblooms
It was actually a joke to dunk on a fictional character, but apparently wasting time defending yr favorite from clouds is you spend your fandom?
Part of why she’s so interesting and fascinating is because she’s so dogged in her pursuits. So implacable and uncompromising. She things being stubborn and merciless, not to mention xenophobic, makes her upright, and that anyone with an ounce of empathy is weak.
We have tried to start two conversations just this week about Claudia and how she was failed by her fathers, but somehow or other it’s always dismissed and then the faux concern brigade starts talking about The French Emigré. They like to mix gymnasium with magnesium.
When people want to “discuss Louis’s flaws” why don’t they ever talk about him abusing Paul, holding power and threatening Grace, failing Claudia, being an exploitive capitalist, etc. Why’s it always just coddling his abusers
@vampyrlestat
He probably wanted to puke the whole time. But he’s an actor. And so he did as he always does. That’s how he saved Gabrielle, Nicki and himself from the flames with the Satanic coven. Maybe he could do it again. Then he realizes he only has the juice to save one.
@undeaddyke
@ApolloTaken17
I would argue that his involvement in social justice and racial equity doesn’t balance out the indiscriminate murder of people without the due process of the law …unless you were to argue for vampirism as a type of euthanasia & a form of deep if controversial ecology
@louijacobss
I completely understand the tendency to defend your favorite. After all, with terrible characters caprice trumps all. I think the mistake here is to want to justify that tendency with a moral stance that is not only deeply immoral, but that makes you look like an abuse apologist
@Iouislestat
And the funny thing is, if they say he paints himself the victim, they couldn’t be more wrong, because he actually talks about the r*pes as him being somehow culpable, or like he “seduces” them even though he was literally fighting for his life.
@urvampiregirls
I just got here yesterday and I don’t really know anyone (though some people already seem to hate me but I’ve chosen to see that as a type of initiation) and it’s kind of strange that I’m experiencing something incredibly transitory
@dhampirdulac
I am surprised that some people in the audience have never met someone who was “easy” with some background info in order to create fast intimacy. That is one of the hallmarks of not respecting somebody’s boundaries, blurring lines through a true, but practiced confession.
@LUCKYCHARM727
@curehaus
Wow, it seems we have the reincarnation of Vauxcelles in the house, somebody revive Gil Blas, we about to sell more copies of art critique again. Controversial!
@rhaenarae
One thing I’ll say about Lestat, he is not afraid of showing himself EXCRUCIATINGLY wrong and humiliated. He gets dunked on and describes it in the most minute detail
@marienmadeleine
TS method of revenge. Become so famous and ubiquitous that the songs get played at any conceivable place you could ever hope to be, and you’d have to become a hermit like Gabrielle to get away from them
@sapphicrains
@biclassics
@ireallyhateyou
I also read that in “The Light of Days“ by Judy Batalion, which is a nonfiction book about Jewish women resistance fighters during WWII, and she mentions it in passing. I was shocked.