I'll take a crack at it.
The game became a culture war battleground. Those hosting the first "Official Discord" were woke folk.
Right wing 40k fans came into the server excited about the overtly Christian/Islam inspiration in the setting.
Started talking about the lore,
So that bizarre WW1 demon-hunting miniatures skirmish game that got popular all of a sudden, then crapped all over every single one of their potential customers and completely vanished from the cultural consciousness…
How did that work out for them? In the long run, I mean?
Notice how no matter how badly they want my argument to amount to "I hate women," it can not and will not manifest as that.
Because I don't hate women. I expressly love them. No matter how small the differences between men and woman, I love what makes them unique. Because what
@gorgonslayer_69
Ahh, yes, "half the game takes place in your imagination, but don't you dare think that the faction aligned with demons are the bad guys"
"How dare you imply that Azrecs (who never worshiped the Abrahamic God) would automatically be on the evil side"
Lol. Lmao.
I'm a Godless
@Observer194
Not at all. Iirc what triggered the woke guys was an ontological conversation that organically came about due to the nature of the setting.
Some random mentioned that the side that the in setting version of God supported were the "good guys," and the woke types took that as
@Nobleshield
We argue in a public form brother, not simply to express our point from our own mouths, but to let the onlookers see for themselves how our opponents argue and conduct themselves and respond when the opportunity arises.
If their arguments and conduct is poor, let it be.
@Observer194
I was there. I watched it all happen. Was even part of the conversations going on when the trigger got pulled.
Fair if you think I'm biased, though. I'm right wing as fuck.
Even so, that's what I remember seeing myself. Take it or leave it.
@gorgonslayer_69
If the mods weren't retarded they would have waited for the game's release to purge.
That way, they would have gotten the cash and the last laugh. Jokes on them, tho. I'll 3d print their minis and give them away for free with printed rules before I give them a dime now
@Zedait
I liked his work in the past. It was lighthearted and fun for the newbies to watch.
He has a brand and doesn't want to "take sides." But, if he's not invested enough in 40k to defend against the hordes of leftoids making demands and being gross, then I can not support his work.
@GumballBonnibel
@Zedait
Oh! Malicious mischaracterization was it. You know the reason, you don't like that it is what it is.
I know it's unfortunate that the vast majority of the fanbase has a straightforward disagreement with pandering (political or otherwise) as the catalyst for changing the lore
@CadiaStands
Bricky does a good job of explaining the lore for new fans. I&k get an honorable mention. Up until very recently, it's been difficult to explain everything in a convenient way. Or find someone who could. So long as their politics isn't what they bring in, who cares.
@aolloverman
@Fullmetal150
@GigaBasedDad
That could have been a polite, "Oh wow, you're right." Not everybody knows everything about all things.
It's the useless double down lol
.....
The coolest aspect of the Sisters of Battle is that they are the quintessential representation of zealous faith in 40k.
The expression of their faith is probably the most human and endearing trait about them, while also being their most eccentric trait as well due in
@GumballBonnibel
@Zedait
If you think this is just about the Custodes having female members, you haven't been paying attention or you're misrepresenting what people are upset about.
I really want you to think about this for a bit. From my perspective, you are so off base that I can only attribute this
@Helis40k
It really does feel like it doesn't it? I don't know if they have any interest in understanding this at all but if this change doesn't go through, these themes I've been speaking about will remain for anyone interested in discovering them for themselves.
Thank you for the clarification of your argument and response!
So, back in the OP, the crux of my assessment of the thematic importance of the contrasting natures concerning the sexes of the Sisters of Silence(F) and the Custodes(M[?])was that their dichotomy was complementary
@Kokujinkisama
@CdrChaos
@vvvluffy
None of this changes if Custodes have females. The "satire" bit for Sisters of Silence do disappear if you add in men, but hey, why not ? It's not like the Sons of Martha isn't a poem.
@CdrChaos
This is a truth that's hard to express because it's hard to believe if it hasn't happened to a thing you love before. I want to keep the record straight on what I believe is being lost. We love how diverse our setting already is, but we love even more how much work has gone into
I don't know why they can't see how awesome it's always been.
And yes, men having an acceptable place to just be guys and enjoy guy things is seen as a bad thing and it's terrible. No one into 40k wants the hobby to exclude women. That's so dumb.
Most men's dream is to have a
@Kokujinkisama
We are not bigots and will not be labeled as such by misandrists who hate men and their spaces. Warhammer has always been inclusive. It is not broken, it does not need to be fixed. Gatekeep or lose your hobby, period.
Am I crazy or are the woke types trying to dog pile every woman who disagree with them speaking for them? The only comparable openly hateful behavior towards women I've ever seen this prominently is from Redpill podcast enjoyers. "Pick me" at this point means a mentally stable
My eyes don't deceive me? An opportunity to agree with our neighbors on the other side of the aisle with zero reservations??
On this particular topic, I'm willing to molly whop (figuratively)GW with y'all about it, no questions asked. I am so serious, I don't dislike SM. But
🚨Announment🚨
By whatever powers invested in me for doing my part and not giving an INCH at the gates in service of The Warhammer 40k Community as a proud Chud and baww-farmer, I hereby declare that the Era of The InDUBbutus Crusade has begun.
The win condition is simple,
@warhammer
1. The animation was very good. It's exciting to see The Brotherhood of Demigods in motion.
2. How long until you address this ongoing controversy concerning this faction?
Either I'm a black American skinhead, or you're mentally challenged lmao.
What a wild leap. "This guy isn't woke? I've found the neo nazi."
These are the types of people who wouldn't ban people on a whim for nothing more than a disagreement?
You're a liability to your side.
Here I was, money stacking under the mattress. The square lumps only increase while I continue to punish GW for being idiots. Sleep is impossible as my wife begs me each day to indulge in a hobby. None are worthy.
What's this? A completely new and based theocratic
@TheEbonyMaw
This is the most bookmark necessary post I've ever seen. The image on top of the post hits at the truth. As a married man with a conservative wife watching this bear thing unfold, it was telling.
Felt the same as op. "It can't be that ba....oh..."
@fabianoyaga2
@GumballBonnibel
@Zedait
We DON'T want anyone to be pandered to. Especially at the expense of established lore. Even more so when it blows apart themes that added depth to the setting. It's bad writing. The way it was handled by the official account reflects its inorganic nature.
The parody between the
@HalfTangible
Lol, that's the first thing that came to mind. They just assumed she was gay for no reason, then created a massive shitstorm when they found out of wrong they were.
The very implication that what you think at all matters to me is what I'm correcting.
I will not buy it. You can not change this. You may try and shame me for my financial decisions, but you have no sway over me. I only engage monetarily in hobby activities with devs/creators
Of course your response exudes big child energy, I never said you had to buy the game, I said your reason for not buying the was dumb and has nothing to do with the game like the Hogwarts Legacy boycotters.
@omg_wtf_
@lporiginalg
Per Capita. Meaning the average *per person*.
You do realize that the joke here is that black people can't understand the term, and you flailing around the comments is proving the point.
If you're really trying to understand what's going on, I can walk you through it.
@GamingSarune
Welcome! People will bust your chops about liking Tau. It a meme, don't sweat it. You get revenge when you get to annihilate their armies from a solar system away..
Gl hf, enjoy the ride!
I am a gatekeeper. Just so you're aware. Though I am, I'm far more interested in the squabbling stopping.
This is a conflict between Woke type fans and Conservative type fans. My understanding of all this fighting is that woke fans want to be pandered to with more diversity and
@Sargon_of_Akkad
Gatekeeping is a must. Why? Because these weirdos want in, BADLY. Which compels me to keep watch. Maybe there's a gate for a reason. Probably there to keep them out. I'll just deny them entry. It's a vicious loop I'm surprisingly comfortable being stuck in.
@thebuzzman63
Thanks for taking the time to put all of that in its proper context because I sure as sh*t wasn't going to subject my ears to such garbage takes purposely.
🚨Update🚨
It was a cool idea. Had tons of potential, but the community managers and the old guard made it clear (however few of them there were). They banned people if they could connect them at all to conservative leanings despite people not bringing up politics at all.
@HalfTangible
They truly are abhorrent. If you pay attention to them long enough, the concept of breathing the same air as those types becomes offensive. I don't care for the war at all. Siding with them on anything even incidentally should prompt one to bow out and reflect deeply.
But, they are flawed. In more ways than one. The Custodes are (whether do to their training , culture, or the very particular nature of gene crafting that forges them) severely lacking in the inner qualities that make a man a human being. They have a lack of passion and intensive
@SOPHONTSIMP
You were one of the people who read about Orcs in DnD and instantly knew based off of their culture and behavior that they were a stand-in for black people. God, I have liberals.
@fabianoyaga2
@GumballBonnibel
@Zedait
So the only thing you need clarification on is "why" it's pandering? Everything else about what I've explained is completely sound and fair, if I explain why it is pandering?
@DubhDonald
It's generalizations that led Wokehammer to uniformly get comfortable with the IoM being fascist or "space Nazis." Good meme. If they're unironically parroting it next year, it's a great one
As a black dude and as a point of principle and self-preservation, I find that a good rule of thumb is to stay clear of organizations', political parties, and philosophies who's Founders expressed disdain, or malicious sentiment (or intent) towards my ethnic group. Because doing
@RulerOfHumanity
This is a quality post. "Some" don't understand the differences between the evolution of the setting from one specific thing to another.
Nor can "they" grasp interesting setting development choice like how the Crons came to be what they are or good examples of a well-done
Oh, look. Another example of Leftist "fans" only existing within the community with the goal of sowing division rather than enjoying the hobby.
It's never, "You know what's cool? Sister of Battle."
Just demands that the setting morph to their liking to the end that it impodes
I don't care if you're a veteran in this context.
The point is a simple one. If the government can not protect me, my family, and my property better than I can, then handing over my ability to do so myself is a stupid proposition.
The right to weaponry and the ability to
Seriously, guys.
I'm starting to think leftists function like Nids. Nids but with the synapse severed. It's like their leadership is in shambles, and all they do is bounce stupid shit off one another until they feel confident enough to say it outside the echo chamber only to
As you can see, the pictures thus far painted within the lore about the Custodes is in line with their (masculine) roles as the pillars of Humanity and more importantly, the failure of those pillars to preform their function by forsaking their responsibilities.
Though each is
@TArchcast
Their hate for what it is is so palpable when they talk about it. The tactic would be effective if they weren't fighting so earnestly to change it.
@Sargon_of_Akkad
Watching you post is like seeing a sentient lobster being boiled alive.
Look. Flip the pot. If you can't do that, then leaving is also a solid option. You gotta be aware that you are hurdling towards the point where even pointing out your government is nutty will get you got.