Video games are art, and should be judged, critiqued, and understood not as product, not as "content", not for their "gameplay loop" or any other reductive capitalist quality, but as works of art that live and breathe and impart meaning to those of us who engage with it
Just a reminder: this “fuck localizers” issue is not a valid or genuine argumentative topic, it’s just conservatives being pissy that games don’t cater to their needs to offend minorities.
See: Kotaro Uchikoshi’s reputation for supporting LGBT folks and how mad people get
@Wishtap_
Vibes are valid in the sense that they are impressions which are legitimate and exist, and discerning where those vibes come from is one of the hardest things about artistic analysis and criticsm
Movies are allowed to make you feel discomfort, to feel scared or confused, paintings can have abstract meaning or little meaning at all.
But video games aren't permitted that.
"Gameplay is all that matters" and anything that isn't convenient and easy is "bad design"
we're cancelling each other over Megami Tensei takes today. post your cancellable SMT take.
I'll start.
"The Spinoffs of Megami Tensei, do an overall better job at developing their casts than Mainline, most of the time."
I so badly wish Masamune Shirow had stayed as an artist for Fire Emblem, this artwork is absolutely gorgeous.
I kind of want to know how he would have done as the artist for 3H, his works capture the intended majesty and elegance of nobility stunningly well
@PeachiieKeen
“P3 protag cannot acknowledge or initiate a romantic relationship with the one individual that understands what he is and what he is going through” is actually peak writing and if this game had other gay romances it wouldn’t come off as phobic
@Black_D_Gamer1
Unova had a Native American champion and a black woman as the second gym leader
Oh
But I’m sorry
Both Unova games are considered among the best aren’t they?
That doesn’t fit your “woke automatically means bad” fictionalization of the world now does it?
@ghaaast
He has a convo where he offers his services to King Daein, which said King promptly laughs at, pointing out Naesala rapidly attempting to locate a "chink in his armor."
I like this writing a lot.
@xbcellen
Genuinely the fact that he does nothing is so interesting
Because here’s the thing
The whole game and the whole time
He’s still “winning”
Z has no win condition, only a loss condition: that being the death of Aionios.
And he’s mostly indifferent
Amusingly watching it all
@KalZ_5
I refuse to engage with the idea of video games as "content", that they must ascribe to what the market deems as "good gameplay design" or "good graphics", practices which can be understood by observing differences between indie games and AAA games of the last 10 years.
BEFORE YOU REPLY:
GAME DESIGN IS ART
I RECOGNIZE THAT
IMO “GAMEPLAY LOOP” AS A TERM COMES UP TOO OFTEN TO REDUCE GAMES TO PRODUCT AND NOT ART, AND TENDS TO BE USED TO CRITICIZE GAMES FOR STRAYING FOR WHAT THE MARKET AND POPULACE CALLS “PROPER GAME DESIGN”
For real, this.
I’m gonna be real, none of the internet has played it, they just decided they hate it.
I would wager more people played New Mystery because of its incorrect reputation as “better in every way”.
It’s good.
It’s fun.
Marth clears your favorite avatar by a mile
@stasiscommand
No bs I saw someone on this site who unironically criticized the game for being Shinzo Abe propaganda and I wanted to send them to middle school
To anyone who beat XC3 and wondered why the game didn’t explain annihilation events more
Oh it did
Plenty of times
It was subtle
But it was explained
You didn’t pay attention.
@EmblemOfAcumen
@battlehuntz
Jesus Christ that is no ordinary gay
This is
Advanced gayness
That is the text you would find in a romantic story as a description for a loving couple
Counterargument: Mulan does not depict gender reassignment surgery as being an evil scientist mastermind strapping you to the table and forcibly mutilating you the same way transphobes talk any kind of gender affirming care
I really don't wanna be That Person but Naoto in Persona 4 has the exact same arc as Mulan but applied to a modern Japanese workplace. Yet no one claims that Mulan is rooted in transmisogyny. Bc the whole point is women shouldn't need to pretend to be men to be seen as equals
Also hi I watched a really solid hour long video essay about TMS
#FE
which also discusses series long Fire Emblem problems so if you have an hour to kill
@ProfessorBopper
The difference between Ronan in Thracia and Stahl in Awakening is that Ronan is defined by his position in the world and its conflict whereas Stahl is defined by the fact that he wants to constantly take a nap
@playmyforeign
And yet games that look like this get released every year
On your console by the way
And we don’t call them shit because they don’t look real
We respect the look because it’s unique and different
Or
You know
An ART STYLE
@DainnOfGungnir
I feel like the most questionable part of that is someone looking at a tactics game and say the best part of it is distinctly not playing the game
@matrix07012
This just in, making fun of trans and gay people is not acceptable today.
The market is the deciding factor, and it turns out the developers are concerned chiefly with making money
Maybe you should direct your salt to THAT instead?
@KalZ_5
A hamburger from Mcdonalds and a copy of Xenogears should not be comparable in any way, yet people will call Disc 2 "bad" because of it being different and departing from what people consider "good RPG", in the same way a hamburger is "bad" for being undercooked
To everyone who participated in and raised awareness of Operation Rainfall back in the day
Thank you so much
Without you we wouldn’t have the Xenoblade series over here in its present state
@KalZ_5
Art requires effort to engage with, and to appreciate, unlike fast food, which is meant to be ready made and the value of it is gained simply by purchasing it.
@KirPinkFury
FE vet here. Engage reeks of “modern Intsys-itis”, which is to say, a weak creative vision, endless self insert gratification, a cast that has no meaning or purpose, and a game made to sell copies by appealing to as many people as possible in as shallow a manner as possible.
Since
@ProtonJon
has been playing lots of Sharla in Xenoblade, I wanted to draw sharla
And fuck it took a while
But I am proud of the many things I learned while doing it all.
If I came off as “gameplay doesn’t matter” I apologize.
I meant that “gameplay loop” is often times touted as the ONLY value about a video game, whether it can be “comfortable” or “approachable” in that sense.
Game design is a form of art, Thracia 776 is a good example
Video games are art, and should be judged, critiqued, and understood not as product, not as "content", not for their "gameplay loop" or any other reductive capitalist quality, but as works of art that live and breathe and impart meaning to those of us who engage with it
@FreeRealEstdale
Hey so if you never once deployed her and therefore never saw a support of hers, how much exactly of this supposed “well written trauma” would you be aware of?
Oh.
Right,
Zero.
For those who don’t understand because of not playing or remembering
Persona 3’s cast has arcs that you must watch as part of the story
Their personas evolve during the main story and not as a side thing
They have strong and powerful moments
And that’s why to me.
I love them
Your comment about level 80 grass made me think of this
And I downloaded a video editing software to do it so
Thanks for the idea ya snarker :)
@Proton_Jon
@Proton_Jon
Hiya Jon, Happy Birthday. I wish to join your league of artists, hopefully grounding my art in reality. Unfortunately, in this stream, that ain't gonna happen. Have some ProtonJon-Jason wielding a purse.
@Demoncoww
@ClemStalDim
That first kanji by itself means “fishing”, but you wouldn’t fucking know that because literal machine translation eliminates any and all imagery or clever prose
@slimedashee
@chorusduh
“Gameplay loop” as in for the purposes of “content” in a purely “this is product” mindset,
I came off wrong in what I meant I feel
@uraalices
Genuinely the best thing Xenoblade 3 could use is a tales-esque “Tactics” menu, as well as the shortcuts so you could call to out your AI partners when you want them to perform certain attacks to combo with.
@OrazioN32
@SMTDrifterII
Fire Emblem localization has historically had a streak of excellence UNTIL fates. Path of Radiance to awakening were done by 8-4, and they are all peerless works of localization. Fates was an anomaly that literally prompted nintendo to step in and reorganize Treehouse
@Marbelsodas
@Goosaphone
I called this like 3 months ago
People refuse to let their odd ball child go
They want everything to be more of exactly the same thing
Colored pencil work of Rosalina!
Made this in February to celebrate something for
@Proton_Jon
, and took two whole months to color it in
God my arm hurts
@FEConversations
Marth is a top quality fire emblem character with a nice amount of both sass and seriousness
And I’m pissed off that many new fire emblem fans either haven’t or refuse to play either or his games
Despite them all being really good
Fire Emblem stories tier list
Come, get angry, and engage in discourse (TM)
Also if you don’t see the vision with echoes shut up, I don’t feel like hearing “but it’s bad” ten times
A very rough drawing of the one and only Bayonetta since
@Proton_Jon
played Bayo 2 for game clearing two weeks ago. Sorry that it is late, may I still post it to the booru or would you prefer I don't?
@PiniRosa2
Gotta love how anytime any creep shit is criticized in persona, the gooner squad shows up with
“THEN WHY DO YOU PLAY THESE GAMES, HUH??? LOOK AT MY OUT OF CONTEXT CHERRY PICKED EXAMPLES 🤓
@Kamaniki
I believe snuff and spark are considered in universe to be “tamer” to bring contrast to Eunie and one of the heroes later, who frequently use actual swear words a lot
A drawing of the wonderfully talented
@mikakoyamaart
's design of Rosajon!
Did my best to work on smaller features, since those suck to do with a pencil. Also, the design reminded me of SMT's Titania, which is why it probably looks like the fae queen.
@Proton_Jon
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon
Like I can’t understand who would like this game, you have to kill off units to get new units, the lack of supports means everyone is just a face, also marth’s face looks like he ran into a stone wall face first
Wanted to get on the whole pantsuit craze, so here's
@mikakoyamaart
's very beautiful design of rosajon, for
@Proton_Jon
Also mika you design good stuffs
@featherlight221
I liked their dynamic in the sense that
They grew like
Too close to view each other that way
They feel like siblings more than friends and it’s sweet
@DinkDaBird
Do you know what happens literally 2 minutes before this scene?
Or what, do you find catharsis in analysis of lines in a vacuum as though that is a display of intelligence