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@AthariCorner

4 months

Ashʿarīs differing on... basically, the color of air.

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@AthariCorner

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A lot of mutakallimīn and philosophers appeal to time to negate Allāh’s willful attributes. What follows from what they say, though, is that Allāh “doesn’t exist now, before, or in the future”. So, I will expound on what time means and analyze their statements. (1/37)

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Man just said his "classical tradition" is 700 years old. It is either he thinks Islām started 700 years ago, or he is just full on admitting his "tradition," whatever that might be, did not exist for half of the period Islām has... I am not sure which is worse at this point.

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@AthariCorner

10 months

Cannibalism was widespread during the first crusade. They ate Muslim kids, adults, and dogs during the siege of Maʿarra. These events are documented by their own priests, including contemporary ones who participated in the crusade.

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@One_Dawah

10 months

Since @jihadwatchRS claims there are no records of Christians killing Muslims, there are plenty, here is one during the Reconquista in 1147 of Almeria where 20.000+ muslim women, children were killed indiscriminately and 30.000+ taken as slaves. And this is just 1 city alone.

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@AthariCorner

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When you see an Ibn Taymiyyah fan saying "Ibn Taymiyyah's theory" or "Ibn Taymiyyah's philosophy" or "Ibn Taymiyyah's model" of so and so... Then, know that they are merely fanboys who have not understood the overarching goal of the man's lifelong project.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Ashʿarīs believing laypeople are kuffar and a kafir may be pardoned and sent to Jannah may sound like a far-fetched belief, but that's what this thread is all about. So, let us get right into it. [1/17]

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Don't they teach fiqh in the Ashʿarī wannabes night school? It is but hatred that blinds you fellows. The gist of what Ibn Taymiyyah said on the matter, from what he has written in the book you quoted from and the majmouʿ can be summarized in 2 simple points:

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

1 year

The great companion ‘Abdullāh Ibn ‘Umar رضي الله عنه used to intentionally seek out and pray in the places that the Prophet ﷺ used to pray in Ibn Taymiyyah not only said that this is a Bid‘ah, but a means to Shirk too Iqtidā’ al-Sirāt al-Mustaqīm 2/278-279

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@AthariCorner

1 year

I found it pertinent to give some words of justice to an Albanian muḥaddiṯh whose name need not be mentioned to be recognized by now. A man whose works can be found in nearly every Muslim household. His enemies called him Nāṣirud-dīn (one who triumphed the religion).

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@AthariCorner

4 months

Quoting Ibn Rushd or probably even just mentioning his name would cause a lot of Ash'arīs to become a bit caustic. Why? He basically wiped the floor with Ghazālī's tahāfut. You would not see the same reaction when their scholars quote the Wise Ones (philosophers).

Haroun Kanj

@HarounKanj

4 months

So Ibn Taymia is quoting a Zindeeq Philosopher to prove his Tajseem. Ok. Note taken 📝. Thank you.

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@AthariCorner

4 months

When Kalām Nafsī meets fiqh... You swore an oath not to speak? You had inner speech? You might have just broken your oath.

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@AthariCorner

6 months

The next thing you're going to do is jump on Craig's timelessness sans creation garbage. Might as well attend church. It is, by extension of your principles, true, that Allah didn't exist, doesn't exist, nor will He ever exist, since that requires a notion of time.

Dr. Shadee Elmasry

@DrShadeeElmasry

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Today, as it seems, we find the Ashʿarī فروخ crying all day about Wahhabīs apparently takfīring Muslims and attacking them somehow. So, let's take an example from their beloved Taqī-uddīn as-Subkī and the mufaḥḥish of his book, al-Kawtharī. The Muʿtazilah all over again. 🧵

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@AthariCorner

22 days

Besides this sheep's bleat and conflation of ḥadīth qudsī attribution with quoting israelite narrations.. He forgets to mention how many insults his scholars hurled towards ours. Just 1 of his scholars suffices, namely al-Kawtharī. He insulted major scholars, including saḥāba.

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

23 days

No one is safe from their tongues

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Tawḥīd: Between Ahlu-Sunnah and the Mutakallimīn Sometimes you see peculiar individuals mocking and calling out the Tawḥīd of Ahlu-Sunnah as an innovation. But what do the mutakallimīn have to say about Tawḥīd; what kind of Tawḥīd it is, and is it three categories? (1/33)

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@AthariCorner

5 months

Can Something Emerge from Nothing? This inherently ambiguous query prompts a thorough examination of its terminology. While many have stumbled in clarifying concepts related to this inquiry, Ashʿarī scholarship notably struggled to provide a coherent elucidation.

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@AthariCorner

5 months

There is no real difference between Ashʿarīs and the Jahmiyyah on Qadar. Fakhrud-dīn ar-Rāzī admits that Ashʿarī doctrine of kasb is but a name that carries no substance. Rather he also admits that all the actions of a slave are "forced, not upon his choice".

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@AthariCorner

1 year

I'll give you a piece of advice. Don't be someone's toy. Maybe he hasn't read the book, or maybe he sought a deviant misrepresentation with such a quotation; learn to think critically. I would've hoped for better from Ashʿarī فروخ who cling to the little intelligence they have.

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

1 year

@AthariCorner He didn't say it's a Bid‘ah? Do you have reading issues?

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Why are you incapable of defending your beliefs without putting words into our mouths? Is it because your little Jahmi tendencies are so flimsy? Let me educate a little about this text, because it teaches honesty, and you preach dishonesty.

Umar Elhashmi

@umarelhashmi

1 year

“Where do the Salafis say that they believe Allah is a physical body and limited?” Right here, by Ibn Uthaymeen:

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@AthariCorner

3 months

A core difference between the Salafī methodology and that of the Mutakallimīn is whether knowing Allāh's existence requires any inference. We believe it is Fiṭrī and is amongst the most obvious matters.

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@AthariCorner

6 months

Did you actually respond to me with "Aflaton" as your name? What a clown. You probably missed it when I mentioned your scholars stating that these taʿalluqāt "linkages" are actually non-existent. When you believe non-existent things occur, you can believe anything really.

Aflaton

@Eklesz123

6 months

Sanussiyah level objections No Ash’ari denies change in the linkages of sifaat, however this doesn’t imply the sifaat themselves change as these linkages are not their lawazim, you can only show a change in an attribute by showing that its concomitant has changed

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@AthariCorner

1 year

“What is the real meaning that you affirm for Hand, through which the common degree is affirmed, in contrast to majaz or tafwid?”. Mutakallimīn wannabes usually fall into this fallacy, and it's quite awful to say the least. This is on the fallacy of asking for the definition.

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@AthariCorner

4 months

A sample of cultish Ashʿarī behavior. You can say, "the Qurʾān (what is in the musḥaf) is not the speech of Allāh" or "the Qurʾān is ḥādith" in a sitting amongst the "elite". Only then would it be okay to be transparent about your beliefs. Ashʿarīs, come out of the closet.

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@AthariCorner

6 months

I would refrain from such tadlīs if I were you. If I thought I contradicted Shaykhul Islām on a matter, I would have pointed that out before you myself. He is more worthy of hearing what he has to say before me. Here is the man making a distinction you were not able to make.

Dr. Shadee Elmasry

@DrShadeeElmasry

6 months

@D1mashqi Even Ibn Taymiyya recognizes time as a 'aarid that exist only after the presence of matter لَا يَتَوَهَّمُ عَاقِلٌ أَنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الزَّمَانُ ؛ فَإِنَّ الزَّمَانَ مِقْدَارُ الْحَرَكَةِ . وَالْحَرَكَةُ مِقْدَارُهَا مِنْ بَابِ الْأَعْرَاضِ وَالصِّفَاتِ الْقَائِمَةِ بِغَيْرِهَا

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@AthariCorner

1 year

That's precisely what your forefathers did. When the contemporary philosophical tide shifts, and their theories are no longer acceptable in the sight of the Greek Academy, they shift along with them. Same cringe, different circumstances.

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

1 year

Want to laugh? Think of liberals changing their views when they're no longer up to current liberal standards "I'm a free thinker not bound by traditionalist shackles"

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@AthariCorner

1 year

How did @D1mashqi (Ashʻarī) react to me simply quoting and translating from the Zabūr of the Ashā‘ira while also providing the context and the exact quote? I decided to single his mistakes with a thread for each category as well as related topics.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

As if this sophist explanation is worth a dime. We all know that Ashʿarīs negate causal efficacies for all of creation. It is, as Ibn Rushd says, a negation of the intellect. من رفع الأسباب فقد رقع العقل The lāzim of it is quite literally waḥdat al-wujūd.

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

1 year

In the 5th volume, page 483 (1 page after all his quotations), Hujjat al-Islām al-Imām al-Ghazālī رضي الله عنه says, explaining what that means: “Its conclusion: Is that it becomes clear to you that there is no actor/mover except Allāh ﷻ. And that creation, Rizq, blessings,

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@AthariCorner

3 months

"Be fine with each other," then goes and promotes a creed with kufr as its corollaries. Promotes one of the most disgusting doctrines to laymen and wants to dilute the conflict as a mere acceptable difference of opinion. You are not level-headed. You are just another criminal.

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@AthariCorner

4 months

It is not because we are stupid. You know very well that an honest representation of your beliefs would be shunned upon. Just say, "you are forced upon the kufr that Allāh loves and is pleased with, yet He punishes you for it". It is a cult after all.

🔻Fawāid

@fawiddchannel

4 months

@averageshrekenj We could but for the sake of persuasion we adapt to the people in front of us and speak on their level as most people would not be content with a response which does not befit their comprehension standard— as Ghazali mentions in the Muqaddimah of Al-Iqtisad :)

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@AthariCorner

1 year

While reading Fayṣalu-t tafriqa bayna-l Islāmi waz-zandaqa by al-G̲h̲azālī, I stumbled upon an argument by al-G̲h̲azālī along precisely the lines of al-Āmidī's argument against the doctrine of āḥādiyya that Ashʻarīs usually profess.

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@AthariCorner

6 months

Are you the kind of person who enjoys public humiliation? You come across that way.

Haroun Kanj

@HarounKanj

7 months

Well, did you know that Ibn Qayyim entertained the possibility of Rasulullah ﷺ's soul being in multiple places at the same time? @BrEhsan2 , does that make him a heretic? I expect a block, as usual.

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1 year

Did the early Ashʿarīs, including al-Ashʿarī himself, affirm a commonality in meaning and have affirmed the meaning itself? Let's see what Ibn Furak says about Abul-Ḥassan al-Ashʿarī and what al-Ashʿarī says himself? Let's also include al-Bāqillanī in the discussion.

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@AthariCorner

10 months

Saʿeed Fodeh is still thinking! This is what it takes to please the philosophers. You have to always be ready to reconsider anything that you believe in. Even if you say you have "certainty", what would be considered doubt then?

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Ashʿarīs flip-flop in their beliefs. One day al-Bāqillānī negates causal efficacy, the next he's affirming it, the day after it he's affirming it to be independent from Allah's ability. Jabrī to Qadarī? What kind of manhaj leads to this?

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@AthariCorner

8 months

Aristotelian logic has had a perverse relationship with language in general, and even more so with the Arabic language. This relationship, although different in its nature amongst critics, may provide valuable insight into the corrupt nature of the field.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Due to the magnitude and caliber of Ibn Taymiyyah, leaving behind him such a vast legacy that deals with delicate and sophisticated issues, people from all sects of innovation are seen quoting the man in service of their innovations. All in vain that is.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

This is a clarification on a part of my thread that didn't need clarification. It's on whether the heavens and the earth were created from nothing or something prior to them. Given that there's an imbecile flying around with his lies, I thought I'd clarify a few things.

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@AthariCorner

5 months

This is why the scholars specifically mention intelligence as one of the conditions for a student of knowledge to excel, let alone the student's acumen and desire to learn. Someone like @HarounKanj will never make it. You are missing 5 of the 9 conditions.

Haroun Kanj

@HarounKanj

5 months

For them, God has to have something to work with. There's no such thing as creating from nothing. This fact was further illustrated by the people commenting in Abdul's defence.

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@AthariCorner

10 months

Daniel: I want to help Christians grow. (1:28:48) Rachid: I'm glad he converted to Islam. (1:36:53) Two little monkeys swinging in the tree...

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@AthariCorner

7 months

Reminds me of when Hijab went to church to learn about human ability to choose. Apparently, he went on to adopt a stoic philosophy instead. What a muddy path. Many disguise themselves as "Athari" or "Sunni", yet their ways are galaxies apart.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

@SaifAbuAsmaa Tayimi and Wahhabi are not names for Ahlul Sunnah. Ahlul Sunnah have 6 names: 1 - Ahul Sunnah wal Jama'ah/Ahlul Sunnah/Ahlul Jama'ah 2 - Ahlul Hadith 3 - Ahlul Athar 4 - at-Ta'ifa al-Mansoura 5 - al-Firqa an-Najiyah 6 - as-Salafiyyah

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@AthariCorner

1 year

I don't know what's atrocious here... Is it whether you think you're Ashʿarī, or whether you think you're Shāfiʿī when you can't even read Arabic, or whether you think all of these people in the image can sit in 1 room without arguing, or that you can begin to talk about us.

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@AthariCorner

5 months

You are correct. Our paradigm is a pure creed based on the fiṭrah, as opposed to your yours. We do not look at revelation to perform eisegesis. You are correct to advise against philosophy. This is where our meta-disciplinary criticism of the field comes in.

Shams Tameez

@ShamsTameez

5 months

When your paradigm says: 1. Real knowledge is in the fitra 2. There is no qanūn kullī with which you look at revelation Then you should not enter philosophy. Stick to pure creed. It will save you, and us all, much trouble.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

What some people don’t know about Ashʻarīs is that they have long disputed whether a thing could be neither non-existent nor existent! They also commonly affirm that a non-existent thing could affect things and bring about effect in the world! What utter nonsense. 🧵1/12

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@AthariCorner

7 months

This reminds me of that one idiot who read ليس بمسلَّم به to say "he is not Muslim", even though the text had tashkīl on it. This is why a plonka like this should not be reading these books, let alone snippets from who knows where.

Al-Hargeysawi

@FizzleKay123

7 months

Imam al-Tabari said: “The monotheists from the people of the Qiblah and others have agreed upon the evil of describing Allah with movement, stillness, colour, taste and smell.” Bin Baz was asked a question if Allah is attributed with smell and he replied it is not farfetched.

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@AthariCorner

3 months

@HarounKanj There is a disease in your heart.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

The flippant thinks أيد is يدين, saying, "He did taawil on Yadayn". What a bunch of god damn flippants these Ashʿarī wannabes are. Are they all illiterate or am I getting the wrong feed on Twitter? And why the heck is he reading this in English and attributing it to Ibn Kathīr?

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@AthariCorner

6 months

This subject? Your statement with regards to Allāh is such a small subject? Or is quoting a scholar and misconstruing what he said to make it seem like he agrees with your statement is such a small subject? Which is it? And did sayyidna ʿAlī رضي الله عنه actually say that?

Dr. Shadee Elmasry

@DrShadeeElmasry

6 months

@AthariCorner @abuzaidtweet Woah.. We have to get nasty over this subject?

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@AthariCorner

10 months

Daniel thinks Christians being "traditional Christians", whatever that means, would apparently save the west from Liberalism. Little does he know that Christianity is itself the foundation for the phenomenon of criticizing religion in modern Western thought.

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@AthariCorner

4 months

īmām aṭ-Ṭabarī's discussion on the speech of Allāh is of many benefits. His usage of the term "jism" to denote an entity subsisting by itself. Another benefit is noticing that, under his analysis, Ashʿarīs should be saying "what is in the musḥaf is not Allāh's speech".

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Ahbāsh are quite fitting of the Ash‘arī label. You make it seem like we are supposed to be upset when they takfīr us :( Those who takfīr you, which you think are Ahlu-Sunnah, are, in reality, the Haddadiyyah. It is because you are confused that you do not distinguish.

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

1 year

When Salafīs met an equal match in extremism and being Takfīrī in the image of the Ahbāsh, we heard their cries of self-victimization But after they wipe those tears away they turn to the majority of Ahl al-Sunnah (Ashā‘ira) and blurt out: Jahmī, Zindīq, Kāfir, Mu‘attil, ...

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Here's a game that philosophers like to play. Philosophers really care about looking smart, so they would use ambiguous terminology that can carry multiple meanings. They do this in case one of the meanings is refuted, so they can fall back on another meaning.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

He is no other than Muḥammad Nāṣirud-dīn al-Albānī. A man who, single-handedly (بعون الله), brought to life the science of ḥadīṯh. A man who was given the keys to the Ẓahiriyyah library of Damascus, a treasure trove of hitherto undiscovered and uncatalogued manuscripts

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@AthariCorner

1 year

This is a thread where I'll post the different threads I have written for ease-of-access. بِسْمِ اللَّـهِ الرَّحْمَـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

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@AthariCorner

10 months

I honestly do not know if this fool knows enough Arabic to realize he is takfīring the entire group he calls "Wahhabiyyah". You are welcome, Ashʿarīs, we excuse you for your ignorance.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

al-Juwayni, when he mentions the differing between Ash'aris on whether will necessitates love, mentions his view: "And the Lord - Exalted - loves kufr, and is pleased with kufr that is punishable". He adds "that is punishable" to remove ambiguity from kufr bil taghuut.

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@AthariCorner

4 months

It is fascinating how uneducated, or more accurately sheep-like, modern Ashʿarīs are... You find the one amongst them running around with the single opinion he was taught and interpreting everything he sees from his tradition in light of it. You were not taught properly.

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@AthariCorner

5 months

Many Kalām fanboys think they are the centre of the universe, assuming the terminology of their group is the default in every conversation. Perhaps due to a lack of nuance in their tradition, or a lack thereof of their knowledge of it. It is called terminology for a reason.

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@AthariCorner

4 months

What did you do i'tizāl of, Islām?

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@AthariCorner

1 year

I do not know how I am getting so many angry birds thrown at me. The more the merrier I suppose. Isn't at-Tījānī the crooked fellow who said Allāh loves the kuffār and His mercy is putting them to sleep in Jahannam? 😭 Fabricating a ḥadīth qudsī (underlined in green).

Usman abdullahi Labo Attijjaniy

@labo_usman

1 year

@AthariCorner @D1mashqi ليس ابن تيمية من أئمة أهل السنة لكنه من أئمة النواصب

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@AthariCorner

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Notice that the likes of these people are extremely difficult to educate. Their brains are incapable of any kind of analysis. He could not comprehend the presence of multiple issues that were being handled. The agenda of his blinded him.

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

1 year

I don't care about your beliefs and breakdowns of when something is Bid‘ah and when it isn't I only care about Ibn Taymiyyah's statement, and it looks like you don't even care if he's correct or not...? 🤦🏻‍♂️

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@AthariCorner

8 months

It is such a weird phenomenon to see those ascribing themselves to Islamic sciences taking fiqh from fatāwā. We don't take fiqh from a fatwā, we take a masʾalah (a specific case). Generic fiqh is taken from the books of fiqh. Learn what to take and from what.

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@AthariCorner

6 months

Notice how al-Ghazālī calls such an interpretation of the seal of prophethood a "delirious" interpretation. Yet, when it comes to Ashʿarī interpretations, they are even more fer-fetched (delirious) than this interpretation of the seal of prophethood. What is beyond delirious?

Abdul Rahman (TAP)

@abdul_now

6 months

Al-Ghazali was of the view that Ashari Ta’wil was often more far-fetched than Ahamdi reinterpretations of the “seal of prophethood” verse and the saying of the messenger ﷺ , “There will be no prophet after me”, though he considered the latter to be Kufr due to the established

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@AthariCorner

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@sapientstranger He was not replacing a theory with another theory. He was rooting the entire methodology from the ground. The many things attributed to him by his fans are precisely what he was against. An expanded version of what I said is his entire literature.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

So, basically, when this flippant is attacking Ahlu-Sunnah, he's attacking non-Muslims. Clown. What're you going to teach non-Muslims? That the one is what is indivisible and that tawḥīd is affirming an inconceivable being? Sit back tight, it seems I didn't bully you enough.

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

1 year

@Fauzia__A @FikrAlJabarti Yeah we already know your speciality is attacking Muslims

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@AthariCorner

1 year

@HarounKanj A better question is why such a silly tweet would end up in my notifications... Since I'm here anyway, I can help you with answers the day you come as a student. Till that day, you're an object of mockery, not an object of education. A symbol of filth is worthy of destruction.

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@AthariCorner

4 months

Ranking the evidence: Between al-Ghazālī placing Kalāmī arguments above Qurʾānic ones, and as-Subkī placing it at the bottom of them all. Taqiyyud-dīn as-Subkī, in his fatāwā, nearly admits to the crooked nature of Kalām, and al-Ghazālī to its rare success.

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Aw, that's cute. He was just a bit heated, so he said that Ibn Taymiyyah is not part of any sect, nor even any religion. A judge, contemporary to Ibn Taymiyyah, making a statement like that. Sounds like the Muʿtazilah all over again mate.

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

1 year

This is a good time to examine the claim of Taqī al-Dīn al-Subkī doing Takfīr on Ibn Taymiyyah As an introduction: Getting heated in debates and being harsh is something not uncommon, and this was even transmitted from Ibn Taymiyyah

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@AthariCorner

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You are quoting a book that deems you worthy of reprimand and persecution; a ʿāṃī stepping over the doorstep. It permits you, a ʿāṃī, access only up to the Qurʾanic proofs, even though the entire book is founded upon stacks upon stacks of metaphysical theories.

البيشاوري

@Al_Peshawari

8 months

We[Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah] hold that whoever hears the verses and reports that Pertain to the Divine Attributes has Duties and They are: [1]: to uphold Divine transcendence (taqdīs); [2]: belief (Imān); [3]: confirmation (taṣdīq); [4]: admission of inability [to comprehend]

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Okay slow down there. When you speak, be prepared to face what your scholars had to say. Besides all the scattered topics around here, here's Ghazālī's argument to counter what you just said (although it can be countered in a plethora of ways).

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@AthariCorner

1 year

This ḥadīth changed my life a few years ago, and it was one of the first I memorized. It is 1 hadith, but an entire lifestyle. When ʿāʾisha رضي الله عنها used to perform a good deed, she would be consistent upon it.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

@D1mashqi Man, you sound upset. Wait, no, you can't have attributes. Do you even exist?

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@AthariCorner

4 months

Besides the whole madhāhib issue, do you consider calling yourself "Salafi' to be a biʿah that is to be rebuked? If you do, then you have to condemn your own scholarship for using it, such as al-Āmidī. If you are joking, then you are mocking your religion. Which one is it?

Umar Elhashmi

@umarelhashmi

4 months

This response is of one with no knowledge. And every layman in the comments who defend it, have not studied either. And the only knowledgeable ones who say this, are those who say it outside the context of ‘madhaahib’. And the prophet ﷺ never named his followers this. Bid’ah

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@AthariCorner

3 months

The discussion on causality being had on this platform is quite ironic. Some fellows are presenting arguments to negate their own causal efficacy, effectively nullifying the efficacy of their own arguments. So what is the point of presenting an argument if it has no effect?

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@AthariCorner

6 months

At least Aristotle wasn't stupid enough to say time was created, even though that plonka believed it to be an existential entity.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

This brings back memories of when I quoted al-Juwayni saying, "And the Lord - exalted - loves kufr and is pleased with kufr". Which you responded to by quoting al-Juwayni saying the same statement and stuttering in your translation.

بدر الدين

@D1mashqi

1 year

Of course the flock of [metaphorical] sheep are very happy someone finally responded to me, and they don't care that the response is empty Anything to support their side

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@AthariCorner

5 months

Imagine implying that you made up your own religion. Christians making up a religion should not be a good thing, but Umar here approves, so long as it pleases people. Well, that is one thing innovators have in common with Christians. Mocking Islam is something you both do...

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@AthariCorner

4 months

When a monkey decides to join a theological discussion. Created, yet eternal... If uncreated, Jesus is uncreated! Goes for a statement never uttered by a group that associated itself with Islām, rather only ever argued by a Christian that knows no Arabic.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Apparently, "if someone believes other than what was pointed out from the beliefs of the people of truth (supposedly) who ascribe themselves to Abul-Ḥassan al-Ashʿarī - May Allah be pleased with him! - then he is a kāfir". - Abu Isḥāq ash-Shīrāzī

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Some Ash'ari scholars, when asked about why creation comes into existence at a certain moment in time, they say, "a non-existential thing occurrs". What is crazy is believing that the conditions for the thing's existence already exist eternally; it only follows that it does too

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@AthariCorner

22 days

Will we ever see him mention that? No, not really. It is clear that this boy's agenda is to use whatever thin straws he can clutch with his hands to try and sway the ignorant away from the scholars of Sunnah. His entire agenda is to defame Ahlus-Sunnah.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Now, we have some fellow Ash'ari wannabe who wants some confidence by scuffing at my thread in his little echo chamber, and he hasn't even read it. This is going to be quick, since I don't really have time. So, let us see what's laughable here...

علي المالكي الاشعري الباعلوي

@Haddadiyyah

1 year

@ARuhWithinAJism @D1mashqi @romantic_nomad Now this.. I find this absolutely laughable and hilarious. Somehow the meaning is known yet no one can tell it, it's like the biggest secret in history

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@AthariCorner

5 months

@ibnMattta Not everyone is as educated as you. So long as you understand that you negate volitional acts for human beings, there is no need to be alarmed by my tweet.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

If 10 philosophers sat in a room to agree upon a definition for philosophy, they might end up with 20 different definitions, where the one amongst them might not be able to choose from the multiples he himself proposed.

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@AthariCorner

5 months

Just like when I compare Maturidī beliefs in Qadar with Qadarī Majūsī beliefs. Brings it closer to home. I thought you would never ask... You see, it looks like the Sunnī definition here falls apart, bit by bit. All I have to do is let your tradition battle it out.

Jad Ibn Aloushi

@JadIbnAloushi

5 months

@AthariCorner @ibnMattta That’s not the point of the tweet. The tweet is that you compared them to jahmis. So what? We all have common beliefs with them regardless of the aqidah. This is a low polemical move, quit aqidah.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

@D1mashqi Call it whatever you want habibi, names don't fool us. When you find out whether you exist or not, then we can talk about the prophet ﷺ and the correct understanding of his praise of the poetry. Quoting what necessitates what you're trying to expel is intellectual, no?

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@AthariCorner

1 year

@D1mashqi When will you realize that al-Albani's acceptance, much like imam an-Nawawi's, and how their works have globally spread, is a sign of Allah's acceptance of them? Millions have known al-Albani and benefitted from his works. How many of these people could you say the same about?

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@AthariCorner

6 months

Abū Ḥāmid al-Ghazālī describes the predicament of taʾwīl as not being able to escape either: 1. A position where the taʾwīl is so far-fetched that it cannot be fathomed. 2. A position where they cannot even find a feasible means of taʾwīl for the text.

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@AthariCorner

6 months

What at-Ṭūfī mentioned is a false analogy. The actual ʿillah (reason) for Allāh rejecting their faith is that His punishment had already arrived. ʾīmān is not simply knowledge. Knowledge can reside in one's heart and that would not be ʾīmān that grants salvation in the Ākhira.

Farid

@Farid_0v

6 months

Atheists that make demands like "I want to see God" don't realize that this defeats the purpose of the test. Al-Tufi (d. 716) points out that sometimes disbelievers request what eliminates the burden of responsibility, for faith is supposed to be a choice. al-Intisarat 2/542

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1 year

Ibn Taymiyyah is not alone on the first point, rather he himself explicitly mentions that this is Ibn Hanbal's view. Not only that, rather he specifies Ibn ʿUmar as doing something permissible. You then come and imply, you sly thing, that he said it's bidʿah. What a crook.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

A meta-disciplinary criticism is not to be equated with a lack of understanding, rather a rejection of the methodology, knowing it. On the other hand, laypeople's understanding is not an attribute of Ahlu-Sunnah, rather of laypeople. Ash'aris don't understand Ash'aris anyway.

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1 - It is mustaḥab to seek out the place if the prophet has purposefully selected it. If it were not purposefully selected, rather it just happened to be where he did his act of worship, then it is permissible to mimic him if one does not go to extremes.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

What the poor Ashʿarī wannabes do is target statements made by some random plonker out there claiming to be from Ahlu-Sunnah and then ascribing it to us. Poor things don't realize they're just trying to make themselves feel better about themselves.

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@AthariCorner

5 months

@ShamsTameez I think you missed the point of a meta-disciplinary criticism. I do not engage in kalām, I detest the methodology. There is a difference between the practice of a discipline and the criticism of it. I am not sure who "us" refers to here as I do not see the unity you refer to...

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@AthariCorner

6 months

I could then ask you if you "really wanted to study shirk but felt guilty", but we all know that is something a "logician" would avoid doing, given he has the "tool" that protects him from such fallacious reasoning, no? Is the tool broken?

Shams Tameez

@ShamsTameez

6 months

I feel some brothers really wanted to study Kalam but felt guilty… so they began attacking it so they could really study it and satiate their minds. I’m happy we could be of assistance.

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@AthariCorner

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Apparently, everything disagreed upon between "taymis" and Ash'arīs is not a matter of consensus. Is this man aware of half the nonsense he tries to parent young Muslims with? Ash'arīs did not have 1 solid stance on anything they disagreed with Ibn Taymiyyah on to begin with.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Ibn Uthaymeen, in simple words that your kind may understand, is telling you that you cannot go to a text and say, "my brain doesn't accept this, so it means that instead". That's how retarded your principle is. What a text signifies isn't what goes on in your little brain.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

Obviously, I'm here presenting Ibn Taymiyyah's position. I am neither mentioning the weakness in the opinion nor the strength. He himself mentioned the istiḥbāb was a matter of dispute, not the extremes he regards as bidʿah. So, I stop where the likes of me stop.

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@AthariCorner

10 months

I must say, I am baffled by the number of dimwits who think "Saʿeed Fodeh is still thinking" is referring to rational judgement rather than being open to reconsider every single one of his beliefs. What is even more baffling would be those justifying doubting one's religion.

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@AthariCorner

4 months

@Omar1z_ That is quite irrelevant. What is of even more relevance that they believe Allāh hears His hearing and sight and sees his sight and hearing. As in the attributes have a taʿalluq with their ownselves.

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@AthariCorner

1 year

The prophet ﷺ, given his human nature, would eat certain foods, wear certain clothes, and walk a certain way. All of this was left to his taste and human nature, and they’re not matters we are to follow him ﷺin doing, therefore no punishment or reward were set for them.

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