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An Overview of Italian Politics, a 🧵
Disclaimer: though fairly lengthy, this is meant to be only a generalist analysis of the present state of Italian politics, introduced by a just as brief historical context. It's meant to be comprehensive but not exhaustive, and some /1
@poxesfoxes
@uberboyo
It's the flag of the International Brigades, the pro-Republic foreign-fighter organizations set up by the Comintern for international leftists willing to fight in Spain. Explicitly communist flag and organization btw, not just pro-Republican or anti-fascist.
@WolfgangHutter2
The author being some random old Italian nuclear engineer, who apparently just developed a passion for Homer some time in the '90s and went on to write esoteric stuff on the topic ever since, is a major point to cite re the airtightness/perfection of the argument.
the Northern League, which originally (in the '90s) was a regionalist "northern rights" and for a period even borderline secessionist party whose whole political messaging was about the south being a drain on the northern regions, economically and otherwise. When Salvini took /3
@eugyppius1
@russian_cosmist
Of course it's actually all the fault of us Italians who taught the Jews banking in the 1500s. The Anglosphere right isn't ready for this redpill yet 😂
half-relevant details have been deliberately omitted for clarity and brevity given the already complex nature of the topic for non-Italians.
To start, a brief rundown on the major Italian political parties, right to left.
First you have Salvini's League, previously known as /2
over a few years ago he moved it to a more national level, only retaining advocacy for regional autonomy from its regionalist roots, and otherwise becoming a right-wing populist party focused on immigration. They are affiliated at the EU level with Le Pen's ID group.
Then we /4
have Brothers of Italy, which is the inheritor of the Italian Social Movement, the postwar postfascist party which—eventually joined by the monarchist party as well—mostly functioned to represent the interests of the defeated of WW2 and the concurrent civil war, originally /5
Aside from the specific topic of Holocaust revisionism in and of itself, just more evidence that the vast majority of the sociopolitical problems we face today West-wide are a product of the late-'60s New Leftist counterculture way more than of the result of WW2 per se.
For 15-20 years after WWII, there's no coverage of this gigantic event. The large-scale introduction of the Holocaust in American public life occurred through the graces of Hollywood in the 1970s. Now it became state religion, Holocaustianity, with its blasphemy laws - Ron Unz
political tradition—most evidently by retaining the controversial tricolor flame as their symbol up until today. Again, today they are basically national conservatives, and Meloni is the leader of the ECR group at the EU level.
Note: ID and ECR parties are mostly equivalent /8
@EuropeanPan
I'd still advise voting for a right-wing party, even if ID, rather than anything left of center. Regardless of how much they espouse pro-EU ideals they do so for reasons opposite to our own and would see us suppressed in their ideal EU. The right can be turned pro-EU instead.
which the ubiquitous accusations of "betrayal" by less informed and/or foreign right-wingers are imo not warranted—and remember, she's a national conservative, not an actual neo-fascist like the usually hyperbolic Anglosphere media pictured her as.
So finally, we reach the /34
corporatist element in our legislature, and above all a militant anticommunism, all while still retaining the democratic element. They were reformed to more moderate national conservative lines in the '90s, though never fully giving up the folklore of their historical /7
including several figures from the Fascist regime too, whose whole platform re said regime was summed up as "don't disavow, don't restore." The postfascists historically advocated things like a presidentialist reform of our parliamentary system, the (re)introduction of a /6
Christian-democratic center-right party that basically inaugurated the mostly two-party (or rather two-coalition) system of ltalian post-Cold War politics once the historically dominant Christian Democracy party had collapsed, integrating the previously sidelined postfascist /10
on issues, especially immigration, except for their feelings toward Putin's Russia and Ukraine (ID is Russophile, ECR isn't) as well as Euroskepticism (ID hard, ECR soft).
Moving toward the center you have Forza Italia, Berlusconi's party from the '90s, a liberal and /9
@IberianMantis
Can we stop with the astroturfed Evola countersignalling already or are the American posters still butthurt over the "Negrified America" essay? It's stale and retarded polemic.
@DeniableSudaca
@hope_pead
Here's the thing, I'll try to explain it as briefly and clearly as possible. When Salvini was in gov at his popularity peak a few years back, he went all-in as Interior Minister with legal warfare against the NGOs and the whole human rights regime supporting them—and he ended up
a minoritarian party in the now Meloni-led center-right coalition.
We're nearing the end now. The first couple years or so of the Meloni government have been quite successful for her, as (contrary to many expectations, especially by the more uninformed) she has moderated and /30
@BorealBaron
Third Positionists who fixate on being different from the "right-wing" "reactionaries" are so retarded it's unreal. Have always been the obnoxious theorycels of fascism, have always been rightfully purged by any serious far-right movement for it—since the birth of fascism itself.
Anglosphere liberals being treated like the clueless retards they are by more sensible societies whenever they set foot abroad is a guilty pleasure of mine. Especially happy when it happens here.
@charlesmayne69
I'm not even an anti-Americanist myself, but is it unfair to say that the postwar cultural influence over Europe by America has been disastrous and debasing in countless ways?
national conservatives to prevent a takeover of the postcommunist center-left. They are affiliated with the center-right EPP at the EU level.
Then you have the liberal centrists, mostly rallied around Matteo Renzi's Italy Alive and Carlo Calenda's Action, who just recently /11
To their left you have the Five Star Movement, a relatively young left-wing populist party that was initially aligned with generally populist and Euroskeptic parties at both the national and EU level but which has since moved staunchly to the left. Aside from their national /14
@DeniableSudaca
@hope_pead
not only politically disgraced, but criminally charged in the Italian courts, which are famously captured by an internal left-liberal lobby of judges since at least the Berlusconi days. Meloni came after him, and after seeing this, she's basically trying a different strategy.
the short term but looking mostly at a comprehensive solution for the long term. It's certainly a less hardcore (and less visible) strategy than Salvini's earlier and more famous one of stopping the NGO boats at all costs via lawfare—but very likely a more viable one, for /33
compromised on the most relevant issues, especially budget-related ones and those concerning the relationship with the EU—where she has cultivated quite the relationship with Commission president Ursula von der Leyen, significantly increasing her influence in EU politics and /31
Moving leftward is the Democratic Party, born out of the main postcommunist parties that had since moved on to liberal social-democratic lines, which is split between a moderate reformist wing and a progressive one. They are aligned with the center-left S&D at the EU level. /13
potentially leading to another, League-dominant majority and government. However the other parties basically outmaneuvered him, with the Five Star Movement striking a deal with the Democratic Party and the other leftists to stay in power with a new coalition, throwing out the /25
League, all while avoiding early elections because in our system the parties and the head of state can basically do whatever they can to form another majority before having to call elections—which is, btw, one of the main things Meloni is trying to change with her upcoming /26
brokering deals between the Eurocrat liberals and "problematic" right-wing governments in eastern Europe, above all Orban's Hungary. In exchange she's obtained significant assistance by von der Leyen and her centrist Eurocrats on the migratory issue, curbing it somewhat in /32
complex, but hopefully I've done not too terrible a job of clarifying it enough for any who may be interested—be such interest due to the recent international profile of our PM Meloni, curiosity about her policies and political strategy, or for whatever other, probably /45
tried to create a joint centrist bloc but failed because of personalist conflicts between the two in spite of a basically equivalent platform. Their defining feature is being strongly pro-EU and moderate on other issues. Both are affiliated with Macron's RE at the EU level. /12
That's about it for an overview of the main Italian political parties—now we move on to their recent performance and coalitional alignments, ending with the new equilibriums after the EU elections that just occurred.
To begin with, as I said, since the '90s and Berlusconi's /17
previously hinted at General Vannacci for the latter, a special forces Italian Army officer recently controversial for publishing a bestselling book with somewhat extremist right-wing opinions.
And with that we have arrived at the conclusion. Italian politics is indeed quite /44
left-populist platform, they are also sort of seen as the League's equivalent for Italy's south. They are officially unaffiliated at the EU level, but they will likely join some left-wing grouping very soon.
Then you have the Greens-Left Alliance, a relatively minor though /15
@hanginsack
@husafell_stone
Your power fantasies would be more funny than sad if they didn't reflect the utter impotence and self-hate you harbor. It's all very pathetic, and you know it yourself.
growing left-wing progressive party whose platform is self-evident from their name: green policy, progressive on social issues, antifascism, and so on. A joint party at the national level, they are affiliated with the Greens and the Left parties respectively at the EU level. /16
@EuropeanPan
I've been hearing talks of an informal agreeement between von der Leyen's EPP and Meloni's ECR on certain policy issues and EU institutional positions, but yes, the gay coalition of the past legislature will basically survive the relative collapse of RE. Unfortunate.
pandemic had passed. This was indeed a successful gamble and Brothers of Italy rose from a minor right-wing populist party—that had always been outshined by the League—to the largest party in the 2022 elections. The League, given its political failure, joined Forza Italia as /29
not completely, because of some divisions inside the League over a controversially hard-right candidate who I will reference later—bypassing worries that one of the two considerably surpassing the other could have prompted some sort of realignment, potentially troublesome for /36
was formed under former ECB chairman Mario Draghi, including every party except for Meloni's Brothers of ltaly, who gambled on being the opposition in view of a rise to majority after the technocratic government, which was eventually gonna lose its raison d'etre after the /28
entry into politics following the demise (or radical reform) of the traditional Cold War-era parties—the Christian Democracy, the Italian Communist Party, and the Italian Socialist Party above all—Italian politics has been mostly based on a two-party (or better, /18
@DeniableSudaca
@hope_pead
approach with "let's stop the migratory flows the most we can in their own home countries." Her "Mattei Plan" thing as well as her North African diplomatic enterprises alongside von der Leyen are very much part of this. The resulta of the coming EU elections will make or break
EU elections that just occurred. Meloni's party actually outperformed exit polls, coming in at almost 29%. The other right-wing parties in her coalition, the League and Forza Italia, each got around 9% of the vote, maintaining an overall balanced coalition profile, mostly—but /35
@ssphinxe
"Hot mature woman financing smart young stud's studies and early career with her money in exchange for high sexual performance. I'm pretty sure Neeche talks about this somewhere."
@alessabocchi
On the contrary, the mainstream left-liberals are getting worried and can't help but notice what a good job she's been doing at long-term metapolitics. The right needs to learn realpolitik instead of constantly purity spiralling (and never win anything).
institutional reform, as it has routinely punished the right in favor of left-wing parties and their allies in the institutions and civil service by allowing basically unelected majorities through pure palace intrigue.
Then we had the pandemic, and a technocratic government /27
the government's stability.
As for the left-wing parties, there's been interesting developments that are potentially worrisome for the center-right coalition, in spite of their retained and even somewhat strengthened stability-which, I should note, is by itself a significant /37
exception to the fate of other major (and not right-wing) European governments, with Macron being defeated in France, Scholz in Germany, and Sanchez in Spain. What has happened is that the Democratic Party also outperformed polls and came in at around 24%, and so did the /38
Things have indeed changed considerably in these last few years, but at the same time have structurally remained much the same—I will try to explain the best I can. The 2010s saw the rise of populist parties in Europe, and in Italy these mostly manifested as the League and /20
populist government failed by the next year already, because, after increasing contrasts between the two coalitional allies and also because of their most radical proposals being swiftly nipped in the bud by institutional powers (including our head of state) in the very first /23
two-coalition) system of the center-right and center-left, with the Democratic Party having always been the largest and federating party for the left and Berlusconi's Forza Italia the same for the right, at least historically—that is, between the early '90s and early 2010s. /19
traditional center-right nor center-left coalitions having had quite enough numbers for a majority—a situation mostly caused by our weird and dysfunctional two-party-but-also-not, proportional-but-also-majoritarian electoral system that's gone unsolved for a decade now.
This /22
weeks of their government, Salvini eventually withdrew from the coalition and called for new elections, given his very advantageous position according to polls—the League had become by far the most popular party, well into the 30s in percentage points of consensus, thus /24
@DeniableSudaca
@hope_pead
What's she's trying is basically to avoid antagonizing the regime as such (hence also her pro-Ukraine Atlanticism compared to Salvini's Russophilia, among other things) and instead attempting to sell the moderate liberals (chiefly represented by von der Leyen at the EU level) on
@DeniableSudaca
@hope_pead
with von der Leyen and the other moderate libs somewhat opening up to her approach both at the EU and national level. Her whole thing, in her own words, is getting the EU to replace the "let's 'solve' the immigration crisis by just redistributing the migrnts throughout Europe"
@DeniableSudaca
@hope_pead
right-wing migratory policy in view of this years's EU elections wherw the European right will have a serious chance. Is this a perfect strategy? No, ny her own admission. She has publixly said she's disappointed with the results so far but she remains committed to her strategy,
particular attention, both individually turning out quite successful at the polls; llaria Salis for the former, an antifascist militant who was (and technically still is) under trial in Hungary for being involved in violent actions against far-right militants there, and the /43
Brothers of Italy on the right and the Five Star Movement on the left. The League and the Five Star Movement even joined up in an unprecedented transcoalitional populist government back in 2018 given their respective impressive results at the elections, with neither the /21
@Aka_chri_
@ultimora_pol
È invece un gradito segno che il progetto liberal-progressista è fallito e che i liberali europeisti dovranno aprire alle destre per mantenere vivo il sogno europeo tanto quanto, più pragmaticamente, la stabilità stessa dell'unione. Una batosta pienamente meritata dalle sinistre.
if they can figure out a way to smoothen the significant differences remaining between the various parties and factions.
A final noteworthy element to look at is that the far-left Greens-Left Alliance and the far-right League each had a key candidate that attracted /42
@BohmRespektor
Certainly depends on the videogame, and "nerd culture" is certainly a problem among young White males and on our side specifically, but I don't see why one can't enjoy a good videogame the same way he enjoys a good book or movie.
@Semiogogue
@charlesmayne69
So many of the postwar Italian politicians and bureaucrats were carried over from the Fascist period for anti-communist reasons that your point, if I understood it correctly, feels quite moot.
@Cordulobulo
The Special Activities Center (SAC) and its Paramilitary Operations Officers (PMOOs) are how the CIA does this sort of thing btw—look into them if unaware. Worth pointing out since many on here misunderstand intelligence agencies and how they operate.
blow directly caused by their inability to join up in a single party; second, the Five Star Movement, which came in at barely 10%, in an even more massive blow given that they were actually hoping to compete with the Democratic Party for the prospective leadership of a new /40
@EuropeanPan
The way forward is for the right-wing to synthesize their positions (e.g. re the EU) with the legitimate concerns of moderate centrist liberals while ruthlessly waging metapolitical war against the left-progressive ideologues, aiming to exclude them fully. We need a reverse '68.
@IberianMantis
Can we stop with the astroturfed Evola countersignalling already or are the American posters still butthurt over the "Negrified America" essay? It's stale and retarded polemic.
@poxesfoxes
@bufotoxin92182
"M-ma l'avevano messa in catene! Orban criminale! Stato autoritario, e i diritti umani dove sono?" e un'infinità di altra merda mediatica. Cambiavo canale quando veniva menzionata per non mangiarmi il fegato. Non dobbiamo fermarci finché tutta sta gente è spazzata via dal potere.
unified left-wing bloc, given that currently they're all split in divergent parties-leadership for which said Democrats now have an almost clear path ahead under their left-wing progressive chairwoman (who had previously won a party primary against a more moderate reformist), /41