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#OURGAME
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@premierleague
@EFL
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This is mindblowing. To do this so publicly knowing the whole world will see this.
It has to be CCDI taking Hu away.
Even Li Zhanshu looks unsure what’s going on. Li Keqiang bemused. Wang Yang stares fwd, doesn’t even look at Hu.
Looking over the 41 page
@premierleague
Independent Commission Report on
@Everton
’s violation of P&S Regulations.
Quite a lot of stuff to unpack.
But the PL have played serious hardball with Everton
#thread
This looks and feels like a de facto player swap of two youth team products to circumvent PSR
And given player value is defined by two clubs in private negotiations - both with an axe to grind with the PL - not sure there’s anything PL can do about it 😂
Dear Roger
@MrBoxpark
We’re concerned that
@BoxparkLvrpool
haven’t posted any updates of their recent showcase event in
#Liverpool
While many of us couldn’t attend due to a prior engagements in L4, we would all appreciate any video footage of the event.
KThanksBye
Friday
#Football
Social on
@bbcfivelive
@5liveSport
@DFletcherSport
articulates what so many fans are feeling.
PSR, VAR, officiating, pts deductions, uncertainty, inequality, and the callous disregard and moral hazard of recent decisions on
@TheFACup
That includes fans at
This post has been deleted.
No apology
So it’s going to stay here forever as a reminder that kicking racism and bigotry out of football is incumbent on all of us to call it out when we see it.
Especially when it’s in our own fanbase
#NSNO
Let us be clear with you,
@premierleague
If
@Everton
are relegated this season, it will be directly caused by the points deductions you have inflicted upon us
Finally got this little lad off to sleep. So excited about going to the game tomorrow
Whatever the result, it’s going to be a perfect day. Me and my son. Our first game together at Goodison 💙👨👦
@Everton
#NilSatisNisiOptimum
#EVEARS
What are the rules again?
1. Violent conduct including studs up tackles that endanger other players?
2. Review recommendations from VAR to look at potential red cards?
37yrs since a title.
29yrs since a trophy.
But for us to go 14yrs without a derby win at Goodison. That’s the first problem than needed fixing.
This is a massive moment for so many blues. Especially those who’ve never seen a home win.
A turning point for us. For the team.
Like many others, I’ve been scratching my head at the emergence of a serious takeover bid for
@Everton
.
Not only because of parlous state of our finances as documented by
@theesk
and others
But involvement of John L Thornton (JLT)?
This might turn into a lengthy
#thread
🧵
Never been to an away game.
It’s impossible to get tickets - apparently because entitled racist idiots monopolise it, and when they can’t be arsed going sell their tickets to people their neanderthal pals then racially abuse online.
Hopefully, it won’t be a “slow death”.
By my count that’s 18pts deducted due to Dai Yongge’s refusal to fund or sell
#ReadingFC
A 4yr transfer ban
Best players sold to keep lights on.
@EFL
regulators, instead of admitting their total failure to protect
@ReadingFC
, further punish team and fans
They are a disgrace
💬 EFL Chairman Ricky Parry one month ago:
"Frankly, fining Dai Yongge is of no use at all — if he’s not putting money into the club, he’s not going to pay fines.”
The EFL have decided today to fine
#ReadingFC
owner Dai Yongge £100,000…
There is a loophole on transfers.
But we haven’t seen any clubs try to exploit it yet.
If Dobbin/Iroegbunam were being valued at £40m each, that would be the loophole.
But there’s no way it can be argued £9-10m can be viewed as excessive in context of PL transfer fees
Precedent.
@premierleague
Independent Commission REFUSED to hit
@westhamfootball
with a pts deduction in 2007 because it would have punished their fans - £5.5m fine instead.
But
@Everton
and
@Forest
fans just collateral damage of PLs PSR crusade?
The
@premierleague
and their Independent Commissions really are (expletive deleted).
Sporting Sanctions ONLY hit team and the fans. Not mgrs responsible.
IC rejects views from
@Everton
’s
@EFC_FanAdvisory
- our elected body to represent fans
Masters statement on FABs attached
Here’s the most ridiculous and infuriating thing about
@Everton
’s points deduction
If our £19.5m overspend over three years had given us a better “sporting advantage” - and we scored 6pts more in each season…
…we’d have £20m more and wouldn’t have been in violation of PSR.
There is a potential legal argument that
@Everton
's legal team should (and I sincerely hope will) explore further
It relates to a few factors in our case, and to the
@premierleague
's PSR regulations more broadly
Not an obvious issue in the judgement. But vital to understand
Should read:
“Favourite part of living in *an urban condominium complex with monthly mgt fees paid by the landlord and factored into my rent* is the mind-blowing efficiency”
Looks like Dai Yongge has been using subsidiary companies to take out massive loans from state-owned banks in China - then selling those subsidiary companies w/o disclosing loans to buyers
Dai being pursued in PRC civil action be state-owned banks for at approx ¥7bn
@ReadingFC
Honestly cannot wait for this PSR nonsense to be dealt with, Moshiri to be gone, and this infernal season to be condemned to landfill dump of history
Never to be spoken of ever again.
Why are
@Everton
trying to negotiate deals with payment structures?
Rumours on Cornet
£17.5m release clause
£3.5m per year for 5yrs offered
Burnley reject
Everton likely have the cash. Why not pay it?
Rumoured
@Everton
may have breached PSR
We need to remember that punishments are entirely at discretion of PL Independent Commission. Including no punishment at all
If our 2022/23 accounts show significant improvement over 2021/22, there is no reason to impose further sanction
For any
@everton
fans wondering if we have a good legal team. Yes.
Both have significant expertise in sports law and arbitration
James Segan KC has extensive experience with PSR cases - representing EFL *against* clubs breaching PSR
Some interesting figures (caveat: have checked how this has been calculated)
@Everton
wage bill. Last three years
£600k per week saved. £30m per season.
If accurate, this is impressive and bodes well moving fwd to BMD move.
The
@premierleague
also posted another document today - rejecting request for other clubs to participate as complainants in the
@Everton
hearing
Some implications here too….
Very sad to see
@ALANMYERSMEDIA
getting so much grief from a community he has served tirelessly.
Not quite as sad as the moronic criticisms levelled at him by (checks notes) anonymous accounts
What more confirmation do we need?
#XiJinping
has taken down Hu Jintao
🔪 🩸
The key question now are “why” and “what does he gain”?
#HuJintao
#胡锦涛 is already purged from the Qiushi Journal website.
#CCP
#China
#20thPC
#二十大
This is mindblowing. To do this so publicly knowing the whole world will see this.
It has to be CCDI taking Hu away.
Even Li Zhanshu looks unsure what’s going on. Li Keqiang bemused. Wang Yang stares fwd, doesn’t even look at Hu.
Kendall - 6 seasons
@everton
2 x Title
1 x European Cup Winners Cup
1 x FA Cup
3 x Charity Shields
2 x English Manager of the Year
Klopp - 9 seasons
@LFC
1 x Title
1 x UEFA Champions League
1 x FA Cup
1 x League Cup
1 x FIFA World Cup
1 x UEFA Super Cup
2 x PL Manager of Season
Confirmation, if any was ever needed, that the
@premierleague
is hellbent on reducing any chance of teams outside the Top Six winning anything.
Klopp, Pep and others moaning about fixture congestion because they’re outspending other clubs by a factor of 3-5x, fleecing their
Bella Ciao is an Italian anti-fascist song, sung by Italian resistance against Mussolini’s Italian Social Republic (Nazi puppet regime)
Lyrics and translation with MP3
@CalvertLewin14
Let’s get this absolutely clear - the
@premierleague
made it abundantly clear that
@Everton
had to sell Richarlison *before* the end of 2021/22.
They cannot then allow any mitigation for
@NFFC
for waiting for a higher bid.
@BrentfordFC
bid £30m in June 2023.
Tracksuit. Music Video.
Keeping us talking about him, and not the players.
Part of me thinks Dyche might be putting a lot more thought into this than we might think.
"My mum wasn't happy, she prefers me in a suit!" 😅
Sean Dyche on his recent outfit change - which seems to have inspired Everton to successfully avoid relegation 👔
If you understand anything about the CCP it’s that they have no guilt or shame about exploiting any vulnerabilities their rivals/enemies may have.
If we leave ourselves open, then we have to expect they will attempt to take advantage. They view this as our problem. Not theirs.
The
@premierleague
appear to be presiding over a system where fraud at the top of the league is ok, while attempting to compete is punishable with severe penalties.
Not to mention having a P&S system which creates an uneven playing field and a glass ceiling.
According to the
@Premierleague
, building this stadium had absolutely nothing to do with
@Everton
’s £19.5m overspend of their £105m loss threshold.
That was down to us buying some players and not being able to sell others.
@Everton
need either of the following
1. 4pts from our remaining games = Leeds cannot finish above us.
2. 1pt more than Leeds in our next game. Then it’s btw Leeds and Burnley.
EVE: BRE (H) PAL (H) ARS (A)
BUR: TOT (A) AVL (A) NEW (A)
LEE: BHA (H) BRE (A)
We have 35pts. 8 were taken off us.
If we’d been performing to expectations (xG and xGA) we’d be on 45pts (37pts less the PSR deductions)
There is a strong argument that we can make a massive difference throwing *EVERYTHING* we have into getting behind Dyche and the boys
Piggy backing on
@kaiserkuo
@supchinanews
accounts here
But this whole issue has annoyed me.
Largely due to misunderstandings of challenges of families with kids where one parent is PRC National - born in China or overseas
So, a
#thread
on
#EileenGu
nationality issue
Someone at The Economist decided to get rid of the racist bullshit in the original graphic — a pair of chopsticks picking up Ms. Gu. Would love to hear how that went down.
@TheEconomist
Spurs built a stadium 🏟️ to hold NFL games and concerts. Primary aim to maximise revenue beyond Premier League games
@Everton
built a proper football stadium. Not a bowl design
It’s going to be packed with 40k odd STH every single game
It will be sensational for football
Stay angry,
#Evertonians
They don’t like us when we’re angry.
Massive thanks to
@The1878s
Here’s a little montage of what all that efforts achieved. 🙏💙🔥
Listening to
@giuliabould
defend
@Everton
fans and stop
@RorySmith
in his tracks has made my day.
Usmanov has been involved in PL football at Arsenal. Moshiri bought our club and passed all OADT
But fans didn’t “get into bed” with any oligarch. If anything, the PL did.
For
#ReadingFC
fans.
Can’t overemphasize how significant it is that these letters - making serious allegations of corruption against Dai Yongge and alleged connection to disgraced PSB officials convicted in 2023 - published on the PRC Courts official website
It is staggering.
A letter written to Liaoning Courts in June 2023 from the family of Guan Guoliang.
Guan a former business associate of
@ReadingFC
owner Dai Yongge is awaiting retrial after being sentenced to 14yrs 10mths for fraud.
Will try and break down key points
Very interesting conversation with a Barrister yesterday.
Walked me through the Appeals process, and the pointed
@Everton
to box clever and target specific Grounds for Appeal
This will not be an easy fight - and it’s imperative the fanbase gives the
@premierleague
no respite
@Everton
’s new stadium.
But check the devt potential. Offices, retail, apartments, all on the Merseyrail network at Sandhills.
Investors should be queuing up now the docklands lost UNESCO status.
Note. We should be fine.
The 2019/20 season won’t be included in PSR Calculation submitted in March 2024.
The only season where we will see significant loss is 2020/21. 2021/22 and 2022/23 should see us safely below the £105m
Relax, Blues. 💙
🚨 Everton’s next set of accounts will come under fresh scrutiny after the Premier League confirmed that clubs can be punished for breaching profit and sustainability rules in consecutive seasons. [
@_pauljoyce
]
Going to be a stressful week waiting for an announcement on the
@Everton
Appeal
Whatever happens, our fanbase will - as we have done over the last three years - get 100% behind the team, the managers, and the players.
And we’ll be there for each other.
#UTFT
#NSNO
#COYB
@LiamThorpECHO
What odds the person trying to score points by heckling Starmer also wants a Britain like “the good old days” and traditional British values?
This was a time and place for a solemn and dignified silence and paying respects to those girls and their families
So then,
#China
Twitter.
Predictions for the 6th Plenum of the 19th Party Congress?
I’m going with an historical resolution that officially ends the reform and opening era and officially recognises the New Era as a new epoch in CCP and PRC history.
Dear
@premierleague
Please could you provide us with a detailed list of every single player and their Fair Market Value
Please provide your methodology for calculating FMV
Please also explain why FMV assessments do not need to be done when deals are not “at arm’s length”
Thx
Huge congratulations to the brilliant
@GiuliaBould
and co for winning best podcast at the
@SportSJA
awards for “Everton: nothing will be the same” 👏🏼 👏🏼
#EFC
Conducting fieldwork in China
It’s very important, in the current political climate, to adopt basic safeguarding measures if you’re planning to visit China for research.
A
#thread
on some steps I’d recommend all researchers take - regardless of methodology
Just so relieved 💙🙏
A great week. Capped off with a visit to
#Goodison
with my boy. Walking back along Falkner St near home and he started singing “Forever
@Everton
”
And bumped into a few of my favourite Twitter
#Toffees
at the game today
@Yanndalf1
@CBobblers1878
What I cannot get my head around with
@thechinaproj
accusations, and several people fanning flames.
The accusation is being made *by someone who worked for PRC state media for two years*.
If the league decides that the transfer was not conducted at arm’s length it can then impose fair market value (FMV) rules. Those rules apply on the league’s handbook to associated party transactions. 🔵
Trying to think how to explain this gilt mkt and pensions crisis to UG students.
For general business and mgt UGs - not econ students
Does this work?
#thread
🧵
Ange Postecoglou articulating perfectly why the
@premierleague
’s sporting sanctions for PSR overspend are, in fact, nonsense.
Money doesn’t buy success. Success leads to spending.
News on
@premierleague
fast-tracking changes to
#PSR
to reflect
@UEFA
’s new Squad Cost system
Points deductions are not a sanction outlined in the UEFA Financial Sustainability Regulations.
Unless significant and multiple breaches have occurred in successive seasons.
1/n
There is a potential legal argument that
@Everton
's legal team should (and I sincerely hope will) explore further
It relates to a few factors in our case, and to the
@premierleague
's PSR regulations more broadly
Not an obvious issue in the judgement. But vital to understand
Well said
@DavefcKelly
👏
Test Richard Masters’ commitment to Fan Engagement - laid out in the Foreword of the
@premierleague
Fan Engagement Standard
It’s not only clubs that have a duty to fans. We are the
@premierleague
’s most important stakeholders too.
We have written to the Chair of the
@premierleague
to highlight the lack of consideration of supporter views in the recent case against
#Everton
and to request involvement in the appeal process.
Can we also see a statement from the
@EFL
that they will not impose any further points deductions on
#ReadingFC
for the duration of this exclusivity arrangement
Remove that anxiety for the fans. A moratorium on any disciplinary action until a takeover is (or is not) concluded
If there’s any justice in the world, the Appeal Panel will recognise that PSR regs make no reference to sporting issues and sanctions should be solely for those who presided over the mismanagement of club finances Not teams, Not fans.
@premierleague
@EFL
Legal inference cannot work where a central premise is not demonstrably and factually true
Burden of proof shouldn’t be on
@Everton
to prove they didn’t receive a “sporting advantage”, but on PL to prove they did
Pl already admitted they can’t - stating SA is “unquantifiable”.
▪️ How the appeal process works
▪️ The arguments Everton have to win
▪️ The debate over football spend and why it's important
▪️ What happens next?
Ahead of the appeal commission's verdict,
@Paddy_Boyland
examines
#EFC
's chances of success.
Never thought we’d get more than 4pts back.
But the way this has been handled by the
@premierleague
has left me never wanting to watch any games again.
We need an Independent Regulator now.
UEFA, Prem, EFL. Killing our game.
@billbones80
@Everton
I’m not convinced we’re getting anything back.
Maybe a reduction, but not counting on the PL Appeals Panel giving us anything (a) because 10pts deduction is “unfair” or (b) out of the goodness of their hearts
2-4pts max on basis of excessive punishment
Bella Ciao is an Italian anti-fascist song, sung by Italian resistance against Mussolini’s Italian Social Republic (Nazi puppet regime)
Lyrics and translation with MP3
@CalvertLewin14
@Catherineoscopy
Thanks to the unique way in which our government has managed the economy, £:$ exchange rates have plummeted in recent years
That being said, $93k for Asst Prof is nearly double my salary……
🥺
Have stayed quiet on “777 or Bust” argument
But ahead of
@Everton
’s game tomorrow, and ahead of four “Six Pointers” and games against CHE, LIV and ARS before end of season - we have to draw a line under this
Three people have been subjected to a lot of abuse on here this week